Sally Taylor wrote, mainly for Kylie: > > I don't think paying the GRO to search a pre-1855 death will be of any use, > since there was no official death registration in Scotland prior to 1855. That is a wee bit fatalistic [pun not intended] IF the parish where probably died, is known. Some parishes had Burial records in that period, five of the Edinburgh parishes list pre- 1855 burials for example. The records were maintained by the churches and while most of these were rather lean on details, there were some more informative. Unfortunately most Burials in the OPR and other Churches' registers are not Indexed. Reading of the microfilms [images] can be a slow chore. For Catholic, Episcopal, Methodist, Baptist, Free, Jewish etc congregations the records are not at NRH, not available in LDS libraries but are accessed in the NAS collections in General Register House. There are probably dupes at Salt Lake City tagged as Not To Be Circulated, and (maybe) Not to be Photocopied. -- Cheers, ALISTAIR M. CAMERON http://quozl.netrek.org/cameron-research/ PO Box 215 BUNDANOON NSW 2578 AUSTRALIA

Hahahaha!!! This is so sweet. You reminded me of my mother. She lied about her age. After her death I checked her date of birth, she lied so often she forgot her age she was a year younger then she was saying. Headstones are also misleading. My father died a tragic death all paper work was destroyed. The atty for his estate without research or my consent gave the monument company the wrong year of birth. To correct a one to a O wasn't a good move. A funeral director told me many people have wrong dates on headstones. aggie >Also - Because men seem to think they are entitled to younger wives, women >often take years off their age. My stepfather thought my mother was ten >years younger - she performed a little sleight of hand with her birth cert., >changing the year from 1906 to 1916, and got a passport and other documents >based on it - when she died at 86, her doctor thought she was 76. One of my >husband's GGgrandmothers had the fountain of youth. She aged 12 years over >3 censuses - from 1850 to 1880 in the U.S., she aged twelve years in thirty, >went from being 28 (truth) to being 40! > >Happy hunting, >Sonia > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sally Taylor [mailto:taylor.sally@comcast.net] >Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:56 PM >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [MLN] Clutching at straws > >I don't think paying the GRO to search a pre-1855 death will be of any use, >since there was no official death registration in Scotland prior to 1855. > >The 1801-1806 range for year of birth is likely acceptable. People did not >always know exactly when they were born, and sometimes only gave their >children an inkling of their age. Bear in mind that the information on the >death certificate is given by whoever registered the death, and in many >cases, Yes even in those of a child of the deceased- they did not always >know the precise info. > >My Maternal Grandmother was born to James Davidson and Annie Chalmers, but >her death certificate has her born to Alexander Davidson and Agnes Pollack >and she was put down as 3 years younger than she would have actually been at >death! > >My father- born 1920 in England, never knew his parents dates of birth or >where they were born even. In 1960 my father applied for life insurance and >put down his fathers age as 70, however at that time my grandfather was >actually 75. > >Sally Taylor >Boxborough MA USA > >For what are we but reflections of our masters- those that came before us >and whose blood flows in our veins- the ancestors who don't wish to be >forgotten > >surname interests: ADAMS, BOOKER, DAVIDSON, DONALDSON, DUCKETT, FREELAND, >GRAY, MacARTHUR, MacGREGOR, PRIDE, SKINNER, WESTCOTT England and Scotland >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=n0055504 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kylie [mailto:wencheh@optusnet.com.au] >Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:44 PM >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MLN] Clutching at straws > >I'm starting to think its time to throw a tanty! I thought that maybe I >could get more clues to finding my William Noble's (Pilot in Leith) death by >finding his wife's death certificate. Her name is Janet Edmonstone and on >their marriage certificate it said daughter of John Edmonstone (Porter in >Leith) so following that I found that she was born approx 1806. I found a >certificate that has a Janet Noble, widow of James Noble, Pilot. She lived >in Yardheads, Leith (which is the last area I can find my Janet residing in) >and her father is listed as James Edmonstone. The age at death and the year >would make her born in 1801 and to a different set of parents. The informant >is listed as nephew and is the son of another of James Edmonstone's >daughters. >I have looked up marriages and cannot find a Janet Edmonstone married to a >James Noble. > >It is SO so close with all the information but if I took it as gospel its >not her. Can I assume that they got her fathers name wrong on her marriage >certificate and her husbands wrong on her death certificate? There are no >Johns in the family until Janet and Williams son Alexander had a son but >John Logan Noble is named after Alexander's wifes family. > >I am stumped on both William AND Janets deaths. To top it off Scotlands >People doesnt have death records before 1855, I suppose I will have to bite >the bullet and pay a fee to the GRO for them to search for it. > >If anyone would like to impart genealogical wisdom on this I would be oh so >grateful. > >Pulling my hair out, >Kylie > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Hi Gals! Have to agree with you both. Are we here to just ask information with no other contact. Seems quite cold. It's not like this is a constant discussion. I am interested in the world after all my roots and those of others are scattered. If anyone wants information on New England e-mail me privately I will happy to gather and send. Happy Easter, aggie >Kylie, > >I'm with you about helping friendly people and not stuffy ones. I have had >many, many questions answered by all the helpful people on this list. I >would have been hesitant to ask them if I did not feel comfortable with this >group. > >Thanks, again, group. Keep up the chat!!! I am learning about >pennsylvania, Montreal, and the East Coast of the US thanks to your messages. > >gretchen > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Is this the only information you are publishing?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Val Wilson" <val@nb-info.co.uk> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:52 PM Subject: [MLN] Men who died building the Forth Bridge > > I am a member of the Lothians Family History Society and we are currently > helping with a project to find the names of all the men who died during the > construction of the Forth Bridge between 1883 and 1890. The official figures > for the number of deaths are either 56 or 57, but we know the final number > will be higher than this. The plan is to publish the final list. We have > been using various sources, but would appreciate it if anyone has any names > or family stories that would help us. > > If so, I look forward to hearing from you! > > Kind regards > Val Wilson > Lothians Family History Society > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005

Thanks Alice, but yes (unfortunately maybe?) I have. I think that he died before 1855 and will have to get someone to research it at the GRO. Good luck with Mary :)) Kylie

I'm starting to think its time to throw a tanty! I thought that maybe I could get more clues to finding my William Noble's (Pilot in Leith) death by finding his wife's death certificate. Her name is Janet Edmonstone and on their marriage certificate it said daughter of John Edmonstone (Porter in Leith) so following that I found that she was born approx 1806. I found a certificate that has a Janet Noble, widow of James Noble, Pilot. She lived in Yardheads, Leith (which is the last area I can find my Janet residing in) and her father is listed as James Edmonstone. The age at death and the year would make her born in 1801 and to a different set of parents. The informant is listed as nephew and is the son of another of James Edmonstone's daughters. I have looked up marriages and cannot find a Janet Edmonstone married to a James Noble. It is SO so close with all the information but if I took it as gospel its not her. Can I assume that they got her fathers name wrong on her marriage certificate and her husbands wrong on her death certificate? There are no Johns in the family until Janet and Williams son Alexander had a son but John Logan Noble is named after Alexander's wifes family. I am stumped on both William AND Janets deaths. To top it off Scotlands People doesnt have death records before 1855, I suppose I will have to bite the bullet and pay a fee to the GRO for them to search for it. If anyone would like to impart genealogical wisdom on this I would be oh so grateful. Pulling my hair out, Kylie

have you looked at other spellings - Edmundson etc. Andhave you looked at records at sea, one or more of these people could have been sea going I know what you mean tho - My Thomas Williamson is in hosptial on the 1881 censues, and from all the records after that he might well still be there, with the staff thinking "old Tommy" gets a bit confused and thinks he is a Victorian ships carpenter. His wife - Annie (nee Kerr) is buried in Greenock cemetary as you would expect, but he isnt, and I cant find him anywhere, alive or dead. His was in Greenock, a ships carpenter, sailing out of the Clyde Liz >From: "Kylie" <wencheh@optusnet.com.au> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MLN] Clutching at straws >Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:43:40 +1000 > >I'm starting to think its time to throw a tanty! I thought that maybe I >could get more clues to finding my William Noble's (Pilot in Leith) death >by finding his wife's death certificate. Her name is Janet Edmonstone and >on their marriage certificate it said daughter of John Edmonstone (Porter >in Leith) so following that I found that she was born approx 1806. I found >a certificate that has a Janet Noble, widow of James Noble, Pilot. She >lived in Yardheads, Leith (which is the last area I can find my Janet >residing in) and her father is listed as James Edmonstone. The age at death >and the year would make her born in 1801 and to a different set of parents. >The informant is listed as nephew and is the son of another of James >Edmonstone's daughters. >I have looked up marriages and cannot find a Janet Edmonstone married to a >James Noble. > >It is SO so close with all the information but if I took it as gospel its >not her. Can I assume that they got her fathers name wrong on her marriage >certificate and her husbands wrong on her death certificate? There are no >Johns in the family until Janet and Williams son Alexander had a son but >John Logan Noble is named after Alexander's wifes family. > >I am stumped on both William AND Janets deaths. To top it off Scotlands >People doesnt have death records before 1855, I suppose I will have to bite >the bullet and pay a fee to the GRO for them to search for it. > >If anyone would like to impart genealogical wisdom on this I would be oh so >grateful. > >Pulling my hair out, >Kylie > > >

Enough of this please! None of this banter has anything to do with Midlothian genealogy!! If you want to chatter to each other, PLEASE do it OFF LIST. You are only wasting everyone else's time and bandwidth. And yes, I know I am adding to the thread with this message, but we all need to get back to what the list is meant for. List Administrator, where are you? Andrew Canberra Looking for the following people in West Lothian: Jessie MCLEAN b. Bo'ness 1830 to 1840, m. James NICOL of Stirlingshire in St. Ninians, 1858. Her parents: Daniel MCLEAN & Margaret LIDDLE, m. 26 Nov. 1830 in Bo'ness.

I'm 'fairly' new to this list, I suppose I'm a bit of a lurker really. However I quite enjoy the friendly banter that sometimes goes on whether it be on or off topic. There is a greater chance that I would go out of my way to help someone that I feel is friendly than a person who is just plain stuffy. Genealogy is supposed to be fun and exciting, off topic chatter can give the ol' brain a break while you are wading through information. Back ON topic... I am hunting down a William Noble (South Leith) at present, married to Janet Edmonstone in 1828 and had two sons James (b.abt 1830) and Alexander (b. abt 1832). William is not listed with them in the 1841 or 1851 censuses (or is that censii :) ). Williams marriage certificate does not list his parents and I cannot find his death certificate. Any suggestions? Kylie

Have updated my site with surname "Sharkey" marriages in County Donegal, Ireland. It includes all Sharkey marriages for Donegal for the period 1852 - 1899 The file has marriages from other counties but the primary extractions were for Donegal. This file should be of interest to those researching the Sharkey surname in West Lothian, Sct. area, since many immigrated to this area from Donegal. The remaining marriages for 1900+ will be posted at a later date along with other variations of the surname. If you know the spouse of any names in this file let me know and they will be inserted. Sharkey Marriages <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ehiflyte/index.htm> Bob Cdn.

Did a couple checks and found the following marriages from A* -F* married to Noble.in Scotland: Note no Ed* in this batch. Bob Cdn ======================== MARRIAGES DENNISTOUN, Archibald Marr 1649 Scot Stir Campsi Sp: Jean NOBLE ALSTOUN, Grissel Marr 1744 Scot Lana Syming Sp: John NOBLE FISHER, Agnes Marr 1769 Scot Ayrs Mauchl Sp: Andrew NOBLE BOYD, John Marr 1811 Scot Ayrs SQuaNe Sp: Rosanna NOBLE ARMSTRONG, John Marr 1814 Scot Ayrs Kilmar Sp: Jean NOBLE BAIN, James Marr 1820 Scot Peeb Linton Sp: Grizel NOBLE FREEMAN, Jane Marr 1843 Scot Midl Edinbu Sp: Isaac NOBLE --------------------------------------- ================================== Kylie wrote: <SNIP>I'm starting to think its time to throw a tanty! I thought that maybe I could get more clues to finding my William Noble's (Pilot in Leith) death by finding his wife's death certificate.

Kylie, I'm with you about helping friendly people and not stuffy ones. I have had many, many questions answered by all the helpful people on this list. I would have been hesitant to ask them if I did not feel comfortable with this group. Thanks, again, group. Keep up the chat!!! I am learning about pennsylvania, Montreal, and the East Coast of the US thanks to your messages. gretchen

Hi Kylie, I can't help with your search for certificates, unfortunately, but I feel it worth mentioning that I have an Edmiston connection in Lanarkshire, and I have encountered several different spellings of the name including Edmonston, so it might be worth your while to check that out. Good luck with your search. Mary BC Canada Kylie wrote: > I'm starting to think its time to throw a tanty! I thought that maybe I > could get more clues to finding my William Noble's (Pilot in Leith) death > by finding his wife's death certificate. Her name is Janet Edmonstone and > on their marriage certificate it said daughter of John Edmonstone (Porter > in Leith) so following that I found that she was born approx 1806. I found > a certificate that has a Janet Noble, widow of James Noble, Pilot. She > lived in Yardheads, Leith (which is the last area I can find my Janet > residing in) and her father is listed as James Edmonstone. The age at > death and the year would make her born in 1801 and to a different set of > parents. The informant is listed as nephew and is the son of another of > James Edmonstone's daughters. > I have looked up marriages and cannot find a Janet Edmonstone married to a > James Noble. > > It is SO so close with all the information but if I took it as gospel its > not her. Can I assume that they got her fathers name wrong on her marriage > certificate and her husbands wrong on her death certificate? There are no > Johns in the family until Janet and Williams son Alexander had a son but > John Logan Noble is named after Alexander's wifes family. > > I am stumped on both William AND Janets deaths. To top it off Scotlands > People doesnt have death records before 1855, I suppose I will have to > bite the bullet and pay a fee to the GRO for them to search for it. > > If anyone would like to impart genealogical wisdom on this I would be oh > so grateful. > > Pulling my hair out, > Kylie >

I don't think paying the GRO to search a pre-1855 death will be of any use, since there was no official death registration in Scotland prior to 1855. The 1801-1806 range for year of birth is likely acceptable. People did not always know exactly when they were born, and sometimes only gave their children an inkling of their age. Bear in mind that the information on the death certificate is given by whoever registered the death, and in many cases, Yes even in those of a child of the deceased- they did not always know the precise info. My Maternal Grandmother was born to James Davidson and Annie Chalmers, but her death certificate has her born to Alexander Davidson and Agnes Pollack and she was put down as 3 years younger than she would have actually been at death! My father- born 1920 in England, never knew his parents dates of birth or where they were born even. In 1960 my father applied for life insurance and put down his fathers age as 70, however at that time my grandfather was actually 75. Sally Taylor Boxborough MA USA For what are we but reflections of our masters- those that came before us and whose blood flows in our veins- the ancestors who don't wish to be forgotten surname interests: ADAMS, BOOKER, DAVIDSON, DONALDSON, DUCKETT, FREELAND, GRAY, MacARTHUR, MacGREGOR, PRIDE, SKINNER, WESTCOTT England and Scotland http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=n0055504 -----Original Message----- From: Kylie [mailto:wencheh@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:44 PM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] Clutching at straws I'm starting to think its time to throw a tanty! I thought that maybe I could get more clues to finding my William Noble's (Pilot in Leith) death by finding his wife's death certificate. Her name is Janet Edmonstone and on their marriage certificate it said daughter of John Edmonstone (Porter in Leith) so following that I found that she was born approx 1806. I found a certificate that has a Janet Noble, widow of James Noble, Pilot. She lived in Yardheads, Leith (which is the last area I can find my Janet residing in) and her father is listed as James Edmonstone. The age at death and the year would make her born in 1801 and to a different set of parents. The informant is listed as nephew and is the son of another of James Edmonstone's daughters. I have looked up marriages and cannot find a Janet Edmonstone married to a James Noble. It is SO so close with all the information but if I took it as gospel its not her. Can I assume that they got her fathers name wrong on her marriage certificate and her husbands wrong on her death certificate? There are no Johns in the family until Janet and Williams son Alexander had a son but John Logan Noble is named after Alexander's wifes family. I am stumped on both William AND Janets deaths. To top it off Scotlands People doesnt have death records before 1855, I suppose I will have to bite the bullet and pay a fee to the GRO for them to search for it. If anyone would like to impart genealogical wisdom on this I would be oh so grateful. Pulling my hair out, Kylie

Also - Because men seem to think they are entitled to younger wives, women often take years off their age. My stepfather thought my mother was ten years younger - she performed a little sleight of hand with her birth cert., changing the year from 1906 to 1916, and got a passport and other documents based on it - when she died at 86, her doctor thought she was 76. One of my husband's GGgrandmothers had the fountain of youth. She aged 12 years over 3 censuses - from 1850 to 1880 in the U.S., she aged twelve years in thirty, went from being 28 (truth) to being 40! Happy hunting, Sonia -----Original Message----- From: Sally Taylor [mailto:taylor.sally@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:56 PM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MLN] Clutching at straws I don't think paying the GRO to search a pre-1855 death will be of any use, since there was no official death registration in Scotland prior to 1855. The 1801-1806 range for year of birth is likely acceptable. People did not always know exactly when they were born, and sometimes only gave their children an inkling of their age. Bear in mind that the information on the death certificate is given by whoever registered the death, and in many cases, Yes even in those of a child of the deceased- they did not always know the precise info. My Maternal Grandmother was born to James Davidson and Annie Chalmers, but her death certificate has her born to Alexander Davidson and Agnes Pollack and she was put down as 3 years younger than she would have actually been at death! My father- born 1920 in England, never knew his parents dates of birth or where they were born even. In 1960 my father applied for life insurance and put down his fathers age as 70, however at that time my grandfather was actually 75. Sally Taylor Boxborough MA USA For what are we but reflections of our masters- those that came before us and whose blood flows in our veins- the ancestors who don't wish to be forgotten surname interests: ADAMS, BOOKER, DAVIDSON, DONALDSON, DUCKETT, FREELAND, GRAY, MacARTHUR, MacGREGOR, PRIDE, SKINNER, WESTCOTT England and Scotland http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=n0055504 -----Original Message----- From: Kylie [mailto:wencheh@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:44 PM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MLN] Clutching at straws I'm starting to think its time to throw a tanty! I thought that maybe I could get more clues to finding my William Noble's (Pilot in Leith) death by finding his wife's death certificate. Her name is Janet Edmonstone and on their marriage certificate it said daughter of John Edmonstone (Porter in Leith) so following that I found that she was born approx 1806. I found a certificate that has a Janet Noble, widow of James Noble, Pilot. She lived in Yardheads, Leith (which is the last area I can find my Janet residing in) and her father is listed as James Edmonstone. The age at death and the year would make her born in 1801 and to a different set of parents. The informant is listed as nephew and is the son of another of James Edmonstone's daughters. I have looked up marriages and cannot find a Janet Edmonstone married to a James Noble. It is SO so close with all the information but if I took it as gospel its not her. Can I assume that they got her fathers name wrong on her marriage certificate and her husbands wrong on her death certificate? There are no Johns in the family until Janet and Williams son Alexander had a son but John Logan Noble is named after Alexander's wifes family. I am stumped on both William AND Janets deaths. To top it off Scotlands People doesnt have death records before 1855, I suppose I will have to bite the bullet and pay a fee to the GRO for them to search for it. If anyone would like to impart genealogical wisdom on this I would be oh so grateful. Pulling my hair out, Kylie

I agree with you regarding "...greater chance ...to help someone that I feel is friendly than a person who is..." So opened up the disks and found these three entries that may help you find your William. The first 1802 fits the time frame. Could not find any reference to your James or Alexander with Janet Edmonstone. Hope it helps Luck Bob ------------------------------------- NOBLE, William Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 23 Nov 1802 Christening Date: 19 Dec 1802 Recorded in: South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland Father: David NOBLE Mother: Christian WILSON Source: FHL Film 1067778 Dates: 1791 - 1835 ------------------------------------------------- NOBLE, William Hughes Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 27 Jul 1829 Christening Date: 18 Aug 1829 Recorded in: South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Robert NOBLE Mother: Marion VEITCH Source: FHL Film 1067775 Dates: 1791 - 1835 --------------------------------------------------- NOBLE, William Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 11 Nov 1832 Christening Date: 2 Dec 1832 Recorded in: South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland Father: William NOBLE Mother: Charlotte FRAZER Source: FHL Film 1067775 Dates: 1791 - 1835 ============================================= Kylie wrote: <SNIP> > > Back ON topic... I am hunting down a William Noble (South Leith) at > present, married to Janet Edmonstone in 1828 and had two sons James > (b.abt 1830) and Alexander (b. abt 1832). William is not listed with > them in the 1841 or 1851 censuses (or is that censii :) ). Williams > marriage certificate does not list his parents and I cannot find his > death certificate. Any suggestions? >

Hi Val I have a book'Bridge Across the Century' The story of the Forth Bridge. It is fascinating. One section titled 'The cost of mens lives' states that the building of the bridge cost a total of 57 lives. It also states "The grim toll was coldly recorded in the Board of Trades Reports" as follows. Some of the dates have details. June 1887 -3 deaths August 1887 -7 deaths. November 1887 -8 deaths August 1888 -4 deaths November 1888 -6 deaths August 1889 -1 death September 1889 -1 death November 1889 -4 deaths An adage to the bottom of the page "the Hawes Inn flourishes too well for being in the middle of our works, its attractions prove irresistible for a large proportion of our 3000 men. The accident ward adjoins the pretty garden with hawthorns, and many dead and injured men have been carried there, who would have escaped had it not been for the whisky of the Hawes Inn." Benjamin Baker 1887 If you would like any information regarding the deaths let me know. Regards Rena McKenzie

I am a member of the Lothians Family History Society and we are currently helping with a project to find the names of all the men who died during the construction of the Forth Bridge between 1883 and 1890. The official figures for the number of deaths are either 56 or 57, but we know the final number will be higher than this. The plan is to publish the final list. We have been using various sources, but would appreciate it if anyone has any names or family stories that would help us. If so, I look forward to hearing from you! Kind regards Val Wilson Lothians Family History Society

Hello Kylie, I am also hunting for Nobles in Edinburgh County. Mary Noble is my quarry. Have you tried looking for his death record under the alternate spelling Nobill? Hope you find your Wiilliam. -- Alice In a message dated 3/23/2005 6:48:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, wencheh@optusnet.com.au writes: I am hunting down a William Noble (South Leith) at present, married to Janet Edmonstone in 1828 and had two sons James (b.abt 1830) and Alexander (b. abt 1832). William is not listed with them in the 1841 or 1851 censuses (or is that censii :) ). Williams marriage certificate does not list his parents and I cannot find his death certificate. Any suggestions? Kylie

No Gordon, we went in the middle of winter, near froze to death. aggie >Aggie: Did you visit the gardens down by the harbor? > > Gordon >----- Original Message ----- >From: <AAgg435@netscape.net> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 4:12 PM >Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family > > >>I love the underground city. Night in Montreal is not >> scary. Not once did my friend and I feel uncomfortable. >> >> aggie >> >>>A good safe place to be after dark is the underground city in Montreal, >>>Canada. Its safe, trendy, and fun! >>> >>> Gordon >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> >>>To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:36 AM >>>Subject: RE: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>> >>> >>>> Sounds like New Orleans! Used to be a fun place to visit but now... The >>>> French Quarter is still fun, but stay in the centre/center and be in >>>> your >>>> hotel before dark. Years ago, our vet was murdered there, robbers >>>> attacked >>>> his wife and he was shot when he tried to intervene. There are places >>>> in >>>> our town, Biloxi, MS, where it's not good to be in after dark. I grew up >>>> in >>>> the 1950's in Kent, at Margate, where the only murder this century, in >>>> the >>>> 1930's, was still talked about. Times have changed! >>>> >>>> Happy hunting, >>>> Sonia >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Liz Parkinson [mailto:parkinsonliz@hotmail.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 3:14 AM >>>> To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>> >>>> I dont drive through that part of Manchester - the VERY occassions I >>>> have >>>> got lost and found myself there, all the windows and doors and locked on >>>> the >>>> car and get out as soon as possible >>>> >>>> Liz >>>> >>>>>From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >>>>>Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>>>To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>>>Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>>Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:55:42 -0400 >>>>> >>>>>Sounds like Baltimore, Maryland, they have nightly drive bye and also >>>>>walk bye shootings. They only have about 65,000 drug addicts(10% of >>>>>population) and only 52% of the non white males have prison records. >>>>>Needless to say I live in the County and seldom visit that esteemed >>>>>city. >>>>> >>>>> Gordon >>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >>>>>To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:54 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>and I thought Moss Side was bad....<GRIN> >>>>>> >>>>>>Mike >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Parkinson" >>>>>><parkinsonliz@hotmail.com> >>>>>>To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:14 PM >>>>>>Subject: RE: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Mike, nowadays you wouldnt want to visit Hulme, and if you did, you >>>>>>>sure wouldnt recognise it - all 60s built flats and drugs and drive >>>>>>>by >>>>>>shooting - >>>>>>>al ot of good positive stuff going on there as well, but it is a bad >>>>>>>area now >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Liz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >>>>>>> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>>>>> >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>>>>> >Subject: [MLN] Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>>>> >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:01:41 -0500 >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >I lived with my grandmother, mom and dad and younger brother for a >>>>>>>short >>>>>>> >time during the war in Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire England. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >My gran lived in a one up and one down terraced house dating from >>>>>>>around >>>>>>> >1850. It had a small scullery with a door leading to a very small >>>>>>> >back >>>>>>yard >>>>>>> >which housed a toilet in a small building in the back yard. There >>>>>>> >was >>>>>>>no >>>>>>> >cellar. The ground floor flooring was sand stone paving stones. She >>>>>>> >had >>>>>>one >>>>>>> >cold water tap and a two ring gas burner with a grill. The oven was >>>>>>>part >>>>>>of >>>>>>> >her fireplace. She made wonderful Sunday dinners, baked excellent >>>>>>> >pies although fruit and sugar were scarce. The lighting was one gas >>>>>>> >lamp in >>>>>>the >>>>>>> >downstairs room. This was one of many terraced homes in the south >>>>>>> >part of Manchester. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >A lot of them were infested with large red flat bed bugs. I was >>>>>>> >told many years later this was due to them using horse hair to bond >>>>>>> >the plaster >>>>>>>to >>>>>>> >the >>>>>>> >wood lathes on the walls and ceilings. But the war of the bugs is >>>>>>> >another story :)) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >Thanks for the memories......... :)) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >Mike Morris >>>>>>> >Toronto Canada >>>>>>> >----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> >From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >>>>>>> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:23 PM >>>>>>> >Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Roger: No wonder its called a close, thats 8 people in two rooms. >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > Gordon >>>>>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> > > From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> >>>>>>> > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:54 PM >>>>>>> > > Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > > Hi Mike, >>>>>>> > > > Here is what I read before I had the advantage of your email! >>>>>>>There >>>>>>> >was >>>>>>> >an >>>>>>> > > > S on ATKIN >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > Edinburgh, Canongate >>>>>>> > > > 685/3/31 page 5 >>>>>>> > > > Old Church except North(?) Side from 242 - 254, inclusive. > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>Embracing >>>>>>> > > > Pirrie's Close and Gibb's Close. >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. >>>>>>> > > > 4 Pirrie's Close - 2 rooms with one window or more. >>>>>>> > > > John ATKINS Head, M, 30.. ..Gold Beater, born England Emma >>>>>>> > > > ATKINS, wife, M, 29...........born England Matilda ATKINS, >>>>>>> > > > daur, 4, scholar... born England William ATKINS, son, 2,.... >>>>>>> > > > born England Eugenie (?) ATKINS daur, 1mo,.... born Edinburgh >>>>>>> > > > John BRANNON, Boarder, M 29, Gold Beater ...born Edinburgh >>>>>>> > > > Maud(?) BRANNON, Boarder, M, 25, Boarder.. born Manchester >>>>>>> > > > Emma BRANNON Boarder, 11months..... born Edinburgh. >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > (?) means I stuggled with the word and it is open to > > > >>>>>>>interpretation. >>>>>>2 >>>>>>> >of >>>>>>> > > > us looked at Eugenie. >>>>>>> > > > So we should have read Sarah! >>>>>>> > > > I wrote no 4. Perhaps it was 6. There were several households >>>>>>> > > > at >>>>>>each >>>>>>> > > > number. >>>>>>> > > > I didn't see Thomas. I looked at the rest of Pirrie's Close >>>>>>> > > > and >>>>>>didn't >>>>>>> > > > notice any other ATKINs. >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > Hope this helps but I could look again another time if you >>>>>>> > > > want me >>>>>>to >>>>>>> > > > check or try to send you a copy. The machines with printers >>>>>>> > > > were >>>>>>busy. >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > Best Wishes, >>>>>>> > > > Jane >>>>>>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> > > > From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> >>>>>>> > > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> > > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:53 PM >>>>>>> > > > Subject: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > >> Hi Jane, >>>>>>> > > >> Thank you for your generous offer. I really would appreciate >>>>>>> > > >> it >>>>>>>if >>>>>>> >you >>>>>>> > > >> can >>>>>>> > > >> spare the time to look this up. >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> The family lived at #6 Pirrie's Close in March of 1871. >>>>>>> > > >> District Cannongate, Burgh of Edinburgh, Scotland. >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> John Atkin Trade was a Goldbeater b1841 Salford Lancashire >>>>>>> > > >> Wife Emma b1842 Salford Son Thomas b1862 England Dau Matilda >>>>>>> > > >> B1867 Salford Son William b1869 Salford Dau Sarah Ann born 21 >>>>>>> > > >> March 1871 at above listed address in >>>>>>Scotland. >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> Please could you also see if there are any other ATKIN >>>>>>> > > >> families >>>>>>> >living >>>>>>> >in >>>>>>> > > >> Pirrie's Close. I am curious to see if John ATKIN'S parents >>>>>>> > > >> John >>>>>>and >>>>>>> >Mary >>>>>>> > > >> ATKIN might be near by or some of his siblings. >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> Best wishes >>>>>>> > > >> Mike Morris >>>>>>> > > >> Toronto Canada >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> > > >> From: "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> >>>>>>> > > >> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> > > >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:41 AM >>>>>>> > > >> Subject: Re: [MLN] 1871 Edinburgh census ATKIN family >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > >>> Hi Mike, >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> If no previous offers, I will happily look up the 1871 >>>>>>> > > >>> Pirrie's >>>>>>> >Close, >>>>>>> > > >>> in >>>>>>> > > >> my >>>>>>> > > >>> lunch hour. >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> Best Wishes, >>>>>>> > > >>> Jane <snip> >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> -- >>>>>>> > > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>>>> > > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>>>> > > >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: >>>>>>>3/18/05 >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > -- >>>>>>> > > No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>>> > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>>>> > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: >>>>>>> > > 3/18/05 >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >-- >>>>>>> >No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>>>> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>>>> >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>>>>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/05 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>>>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/05 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> __________________________________________________________________ >> Switch to Netscape Internet Service. >> As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at >> http://isp.netscape.com/register >> >> Netscape. 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