Looking for any information re my gggg grandparents, Robert GARRET (or Garrot), wife Jean or Joanne Lees, whose children were chr. in South Leith between 1802 - 1808. One daughter, Mary, married John Manson, a ship's blockmaker, in So. Leith in 1826. They appear to have been members of the Relief Church. Another spelling variation may have been "Garrock". "Garrot - Robert Garrot, Porter, So. Leith, Joanne Lees spouse. A daughter named Mary, 29th December 1804, and baptised 6th January 1805. Witnesses: William Rattarey, Sailor, Leith, and James Marr, Porter there. Also a daughter named Isabella born 11th March 1801 witnesses as above."

Looking for the James MORRISON family who were living from at least 1866 to 1874 at 31 Cable Wynd in South Leith. James [b.c. 1832, probable son of William and Mary (McNairn)] died in Feb 1873, age 40, at the same address. His widow Margaret was left with at least 6 children: Margaret, James, John, William, Mary and Isabella. Cable Wynd in South Leith is turning out to be a rather important location in my family history. In December 1874, Margaret (now living at 3 Cable Wynd) married George RAMSAY. Within 3 years two children were born, this time at 11 Cable Wynd. The RAMSAY family was living at this address on the 1881 census as well. Any information re the families or the street in South Leith would be greatly appreciated.

I would also like to hear from anyone having a Brash in their line. I have two but sure don't have much on them. Janet Brash b. 29 Aug 1789 (her father was James Brash) and is married to William Abercrombie, b. 1 Oct 1790 in Kilsyth. They had James Abercrombie and James' children were also born in Kilsyth...some moving to Bathgate. Thanks, Thelma > On Thurs. Mar 31, Liz Dempster wrote: > Researching: KEMP,BILLSON, COWIE, MONCUR, BRASH, > I have one BRASH in my WINTON line and a whole line > of KING, originating in > Berwickshire / East Lothian. Can you give some > names and dates / locations? Thelma from Ivins, Utah __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest

Sonia: NEVER use a credit card on internet you are asking for trouble and you got it. Send them a check, so its takes a few days more, but you are safe from credit card scrams. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON > It's a shame that all the records aren't available on line. Years ago, I > had a company in England, Research St Leonards UK, look up birth records > at > the Lewes registrar's office for my mystery G-grandfather, Thomas H. > Brown, > and paid by Visa. This month, I was astonished to find a ninety pound > charge on my Visa bill from them! An advanced Google search for the > string > showed the Sussex police have a growing file on the scam. The firm had > been > sold, and sold again, and at some time over the years crooks got hold of > old > records and are now putting charges on the credit cards of people who had > ever had them do research. Crooks can get hold of the records of any > legitimate company with whom we do business, so our only defense is to > check > our bills each month for unauthorized charges. If all the records were > available on line, this could not have happened. And I would be able to > trace my Stephenson family in Edinburgh so easily! Does anyone in > Scotland > descend from them? > > Sonia in the U.S. > > -----Original Message----- > From: brian ware [mailto:lorconbew@yahoo.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:04 AM > To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records > > Very true,Duncan.Most folk seem to forget the whole system was set up at > the > taxpayerrs expense and still are.The taxpayers pay the staff wages and > eveything else.We all still pay to register family information.It's high > time the whole shebang was free to everyone.I don't mind paying for certs > copies.Regards Brian. > > > Duncan Smith <d.smith.1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Robin wrote .... "However there is great concern about personation, > identity > theft and money laundering ... > So the decision in Scotland that online BMD's indexes are restricted is > apparently to make it less easy for those with criminal intent to get this > information on living people .... > Personal visitors to the search rooms in Edinburgh will all be identified > so > they can access all the indeces. > Curiously the English and Welsh BMD indexes are available online almost up > to the present." > > The fact that the English & Welsh indexes are available online right up to > 2003 shows that it can be done. Any professional crook who wants to > 'steal' > other people's identity (although someone born 90 years ago seems to me, > to > be rather an unlikely sort of target) is bound to be adept at producing > false identification, and will be just the sort of person who will make > the > effort to go to Edinburgh to use the system at New Register House. > > It is we poor researchers who can't all get to Edinburgh every day, who > thus > suffer from these online restrictions, while any would be crooks can > happily > exploit the anomalies in the system to their own advantage. > > I don't believe that restricting access to the more recent online records, > inhibits the professional fraudsters in any way, but it does spoil things > for genuine researchers. > > Duncan, Dundee > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > >

... I have been using credit cards online extensively for almost 15 years and never had a problem. Just don't deal with sites you can't trust. After all this is how I make payments for access to GRO records! - moira gordon crooks wrote: > Sonia: NEVER use a credit card on internet you are asking for trouble > and you got it. Send them a check, so its takes a few days more, but > you are safe from credit card scrams. > > Gordon > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" > <happyman70@bellsouth.net> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:33 AM > Subject: RE: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" > check credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON > > >> It's a shame that all the records aren't available on line. Years >> ago, I >> had a company in England, Research St Leonards UK, look up birth >> records at >> the Lewes registrar's office for my mystery G-grandfather, Thomas H. >> Brown, >> and paid by Visa. This month, I was astonished to find a ninety pound >> charge on my Visa bill from them! An advanced Google search for the >> string >> showed the Sussex police have a growing file on the scam. The firm >> had been >> sold, and sold again, and at some time over the years crooks got hold >> of old >> records and are now putting charges on the credit cards of people who >> had >> ever had them do research. Crooks can get hold of the records of any >> legitimate company with whom we do business, so our only defense is >> to check >> our bills each month for unauthorized charges. If all the records were >> available on line, this could not have happened. And I would be able to >> trace my Stephenson family in Edinburgh so easily! Does anyone in >> Scotland >> descend from them? >> >> Sonia in the U.S. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: brian ware [mailto:lorconbew@yahoo.co.uk] >> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:04 AM >> To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records >> >> Very true,Duncan.Most folk seem to forget the whole system was set up >> at the >> taxpayerrs expense and still are.The taxpayers pay the staff wages and >> eveything else.We all still pay to register family information.It's high >> time the whole shebang was free to everyone.I don't mind paying for >> certs >> copies.Regards Brian. >> >> >> Duncan Smith <d.smith.1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> Robin wrote .... "However there is great concern about personation, >> identity >> theft and money laundering ... >> So the decision in Scotland that online BMD's indexes are restricted is >> apparently to make it less easy for those with criminal intent to get >> this >> information on living people .... >> Personal visitors to the search rooms in Edinburgh will all be >> identified so >> they can access all the indeces. >> Curiously the English and Welsh BMD indexes are available online >> almost up >> to the present." >> >> The fact that the English & Welsh indexes are available online right >> up to >> 2003 shows that it can be done. Any professional crook who wants to >> 'steal' >> other people's identity (although someone born 90 years ago seems to >> me, to >> be rather an unlikely sort of target) is bound to be adept at producing >> false identification, and will be just the sort of person who will >> make the >> effort to go to Edinburgh to use the system at New Register House. >> >> It is we poor researchers who can't all get to Edinburgh every day, >> who thus >> suffer from these online restrictions, while any would be crooks can >> happily >> exploit the anomalies in the system to their own advantage. >> >> I don't believe that restricting access to the more recent online >> records, >> inhibits the professional fraudsters in any way, but it does spoil >> things >> for genuine researchers. >> >> Duncan, Dundee >> >> >> >> >> >> Send instant messages to your online friends >> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> > > > >

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Very true,Duncan.Most folk seem to forget the whole system was set up at the taxpayerrs expense and still are.The taxpayers pay the staff wages and eveything else.We all still pay to register family information.It's high time the whole shebang was free to everyone.I don't mind paying for certs copies.Regards Brian. Duncan Smith <d.smith.1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: Robin wrote .... "However there is great concern about personation, identity theft and money laundering ... So the decision in Scotland that online BMD's indexes are restricted is apparently to make it less easy for those with criminal intent to get this information on living people .... Personal visitors to the search rooms in Edinburgh will all be identified so they can access all the indeces. Curiously the English and Welsh BMD indexes are available online almost up to the present." The fact that the English & Welsh indexes are available online right up to 2003 shows that it can be done. Any professional crook who wants to 'steal' other people's identity (although someone born 90 years ago seems to me, to be rather an unlikely sort of target) is bound to be adept at producing false identification, and will be just the sort of person who will make the effort to go to Edinburgh to use the system at New Register House. It is we poor researchers who can't all get to Edinburgh every day, who thus suffer from these online restrictions, while any would be crooks can happily exploit the anomalies in the system to their own advantage. I don't believe that restricting access to the more recent online records, inhibits the professional fraudsters in any way, but it does spoil things for genuine researchers. Duncan, Dundee Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Robin wrote .... "However there is great concern about personation, identity theft and money laundering ... So the decision in Scotland that online BMD's indexes are restricted is apparently to make it less easy for those with criminal intent to get this information on living people .... Personal visitors to the search rooms in Edinburgh will all be identified so they can access all the indeces. Curiously the English and Welsh BMD indexes are available online almost up to the present." The fact that the English & Welsh indexes are available online right up to 2003 shows that it can be done. Any professional crook who wants to 'steal' other people's identity (although someone born 90 years ago seems to me, to be rather an unlikely sort of target) is bound to be adept at producing false identification, and will be just the sort of person who will make the effort to go to Edinburgh to use the system at New Register House. It is we poor researchers who can't all get to Edinburgh every day, who thus suffer from these online restrictions, while any would be crooks can happily exploit the anomalies in the system to their own advantage. I don't believe that restricting access to the more recent online records, inhibits the professional fraudsters in any way, but it does spoil things for genuine researchers. Duncan, Dundee

I just sent an e-mail a few days ago to researchinuk to ask why there was a ?90 charge on my account. No reply, no surprise. It seems this is part of a wider scam. Tell everyone. What a shame, as this was a good service. Elizabeth Dods <elizd77@rogers.com> -----Original Message----- From: Gil & Sonia Murray [mailto:happyman70@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:33 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON It's a shame that all the records aren't available on line. Years ago, I had a company in England, Research St Leonards UK, look up birth records at the Lewes registrar's office for my mystery G-grandfather, Thomas H. Brown, and paid by Visa. This month, I was astonished to find a ninety pound charge on my Visa bill from them! An advanced Google search for the string showed the Sussex police have a growing file on the scam. The firm had been sold, and sold again, and at some time over the years crooks got hold of old records and are now putting charges on the credit cards of people who had ever had them do research. Crooks can get hold of the records of any legitimate company with whom we do business, so our only defense is to check our bills each month for unauthorized charges. If all the records were available on line, this could not have happened. And I would be able to trace my Stephenson family in Edinburgh so easily! Does anyone in Scotland descend from them? Sonia in the U.S. -----Original Message----- From: brian ware [mailto:lorconbew@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:04 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records Very true,Duncan.Most folk seem to forget the whole system was set up at the taxpayerrs expense and still are.The taxpayers pay the staff wages and eveything else.We all still pay to register family information.It's high time the whole shebang was free to everyone.I don't mind paying for certs copies.Regards Brian. Duncan Smith <d.smith.1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: Robin wrote .... "However there is great concern about personation, identity theft and money laundering ... So the decision in Scotland that online BMD's indexes are restricted is apparently to make it less easy for those with criminal intent to get this information on living people .... Personal visitors to the search rooms in Edinburgh will all be identified so they can access all the indeces. Curiously the English and Welsh BMD indexes are available online almost up to the present." The fact that the English & Welsh indexes are available online right up to 2003 shows that it can be done. Any professional crook who wants to 'steal' other people's identity (although someone born 90 years ago seems to me, to be rather an unlikely sort of target) is bound to be adept at producing false identification, and will be just the sort of person who will make the effort to go to Edinburgh to use the system at New Register House. It is we poor researchers who can't all get to Edinburgh every day, who thus suffer from these online restrictions, while any would be crooks can happily exploit the anomalies in the system to their own advantage. I don't believe that restricting access to the more recent online records, inhibits the professional fraudsters in any way, but it does spoil things for genuine researchers. Duncan, Dundee Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hello List I seeking Information on the McINTYRE family living in Kirknewton in the 1870 -1881 timeframe. my connection is William McINTYRE married Christina THOMSON on July 4th 1879. I believe William to be the son of William MCINTYRE and Martha McINTYRE also living in Kirknewton on the 1881 census. Bob robertgascoigne@cox.net Thomson Kinnaird Wardlaw

It's a shame that all the records aren't available on line. Years ago, I had a company in England, Research St Leonards UK, look up birth records at the Lewes registrar's office for my mystery G-grandfather, Thomas H. Brown, and paid by Visa. This month, I was astonished to find a ninety pound charge on my Visa bill from them! An advanced Google search for the string showed the Sussex police have a growing file on the scam. The firm had been sold, and sold again, and at some time over the years crooks got hold of old records and are now putting charges on the credit cards of people who had ever had them do research. Crooks can get hold of the records of any legitimate company with whom we do business, so our only defense is to check our bills each month for unauthorized charges. If all the records were available on line, this could not have happened. And I would be able to trace my Stephenson family in Edinburgh so easily! Does anyone in Scotland descend from them? Sonia in the U.S. -----Original Message----- From: brian ware [mailto:lorconbew@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:04 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records Very true,Duncan.Most folk seem to forget the whole system was set up at the taxpayerrs expense and still are.The taxpayers pay the staff wages and eveything else.We all still pay to register family information.It's high time the whole shebang was free to everyone.I don't mind paying for certs copies.Regards Brian. Duncan Smith <d.smith.1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: Robin wrote .... "However there is great concern about personation, identity theft and money laundering ... So the decision in Scotland that online BMD's indexes are restricted is apparently to make it less easy for those with criminal intent to get this information on living people .... Personal visitors to the search rooms in Edinburgh will all be identified so they can access all the indeces. Curiously the English and Welsh BMD indexes are available online almost up to the present." The fact that the English & Welsh indexes are available online right up to 2003 shows that it can be done. Any professional crook who wants to 'steal' other people's identity (although someone born 90 years ago seems to me, to be rather an unlikely sort of target) is bound to be adept at producing false identification, and will be just the sort of person who will make the effort to go to Edinburgh to use the system at New Register House. It is we poor researchers who can't all get to Edinburgh every day, who thus suffer from these online restrictions, while any would be crooks can happily exploit the anomalies in the system to their own advantage. I don't believe that restricting access to the more recent online records, inhibits the professional fraudsters in any way, but it does spoil things for genuine researchers. Duncan, Dundee Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

On 31/3/05 2:11 am, "Liz Dempster" <germic90@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > There is a privacy act regarding birth records. Not as I understand it ... However there is great concern about personation, identity theft and money laundering ... So the decision in Scotland that online BMD's indexes are restricted is apparently to make it less easy for those with criminal intent to get this information on living people Personal visitors to the search rooms in Edinburgh will all be identified so they can access all the indeces. Curiously the English and Welsh BMD indexes are available online almost up to the present. Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

On Mar 31, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Robert G. Orr wrote: > Vacation >

Liz, You say that ... "There is a privacy act regarding birth records. The Scottish was 100 years, for births and census. That is why you will only be able to get records up to 1904. The marriage and death records are less in time, with the marriages up to the 1920's and the deaths up to 1954" ... Whilst agreeing with you that those are the cut-offs for availability when it comes to searching b,m &d's on Scotlandspeople, I am curious to know why it is that people visiting New Register House in Edinburgh are able to access very recent births, deaths & marriages. When you go there, you are using a computer screen to search the indexes, and images - just as one uses a computer to access Scotlandspeople. So why the difference I wonder? Duncan, Dundee

I am ainterested in your Williamson - it is 2.24 in the morning here and I havent got any stuff about, but I am looking at Williamson, Liz P >From: "YVONNE K MARSHALL" <bykmarshall@verizon.net> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MLN] YOUNGS >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:32:00 -0800 > >Dear Carol, > Thanks for your note. Sorry to take so long in getting back. >The names you mentioned do sound familiar so I will send you what I have on >them. My Youngs are mainly from minning families also. I believe many of >the people in that area were miners. > William Black YOUNG b. 1853, md an Isabella WILLIAMSON b.1859, dau >of William Williamson and Margaret STEVENSON. >I have only two children for them; Margaret Stevenson Young b.1887 and >Catherine Young b.1889. > William Black Young's parents were George Young b. 1826 and Catherine >Black b. ab 1830. They were my g grandparents. > A number of my Youngs md Hunters. >Two sisters md two bros.--- Elizabeth HUNTER b. 1818 md Henry Young b. >1818 and her sister Margaret HUNTER b. 1824 md George Young b. 1816. >Elizabeth and Henry's children were Elizabeth, Thomas, James, Henry and >Robert. > Margaret and George's children were Elizabeth, Thomas, George, Henry and >William. > I also have a Mary YOUNG, dau of John Young and Christina SIMPSON, md >to a John HUNTER, parents unknown. > Also I have an Alexander YOUNG, son of John Young and Margaret NOBLE, >md to an Isabella HUNTER, parents unkown. > I have a James BROWN b. ab 1755 md to an Isabel YOUNG b. ab 1755. I >have 8 children for them which I can give you if you'd like. One of their >daughters, Euphemia BROWN b.1795 md a Henry YOUNG b. 1796 and they had 7 >children. > If any of these connect to your lines then I will be glad to give you >a great deal more detail of this whole family. > Will look forward to your response. Thanks, > Yvonne >

Hi Liz, I have lots of Kemps in the Lasswade, Dalkeith, Penicuik area; do you have details of yours? moira Liz Dempster wrote: >CArolyn: > >There is a privacy act regarding birth records. The Scottish was 100 years, >for births and census. That is why you will only be able to get records up >to 1904. The marriage and death records are less in time, with the >marriages up to the 1920's and the deaths up to 1954. I don't know about >Scotland, but in Canada you can get records if you are a direct descendant. >As the millenium approached we were all waiting for those records to be >released....it answered a lot of questions but created more because now we >all want to find more about the names found in those records. I now know of >so many more names to add and I realize....SOMEWHERE in Scotland, there >could be relatives my age, who just might have stories to share with >me....and I can't find them! > >Researching: DEMPSTER, FRASER, SWAN, LINDSAY, MILL(S), LAING, SYME, >KEMP,BILLSON, COWIE, MONCUR, BRASH, KING, GIBSON, DICKSON. These are the >most recent names. There are more back in the OPR era, but these interest >me most. > >I only started out with Dempster, Lindsay, Mills, Kemp, Fraser and Swan. > >Regards, >Liz Dempster >Southern ON Canada > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "carolyn" <dayc@talk21.com> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:23 AM >Subject: [MLN] birth records > > > > >>Hello,list >> >>Thank you for the suggestions you have given me. I now know I need to get >> >> >hold of the birth certificate for Vera Walker born in 1920. I dont know >when. I went on Scotlandspeople but the records end 1904 - if I have read >that right. Is there a site I can find where and when in 1920? > > >>Carolyn >> >> >> > > > > > >

CArolyn: There is a privacy act regarding birth records. The Scottish was 100 years, for births and census. That is why you will only be able to get records up to 1904. The marriage and death records are less in time, with the marriages up to the 1920's and the deaths up to 1954. I don't know about Scotland, but in Canada you can get records if you are a direct descendant. As the millenium approached we were all waiting for those records to be released....it answered a lot of questions but created more because now we all want to find more about the names found in those records. I now know of so many more names to add and I realize....SOMEWHERE in Scotland, there could be relatives my age, who just might have stories to share with me....and I can't find them! Researching: DEMPSTER, FRASER, SWAN, LINDSAY, MILL(S), LAING, SYME, KEMP,BILLSON, COWIE, MONCUR, BRASH, KING, GIBSON, DICKSON. These are the most recent names. There are more back in the OPR era, but these interest me most. I only started out with Dempster, Lindsay, Mills, Kemp, Fraser and Swan. Regards, Liz Dempster Southern ON Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "carolyn" <dayc@talk21.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:23 AM Subject: [MLN] birth records > Hello,list > > Thank you for the suggestions you have given me. I now know I need to get hold of the birth certificate for Vera Walker born in 1920. I dont know when. I went on Scotlandspeople but the records end 1904 - if I have read that right. Is there a site I can find where and when in 1920? > > Carolyn >

The accountancy part of your question has been well covered so I won't try. You say also: His mother is listed >as Mary Crichton Ferrie. I know quite a bit about his mother and her >family, but nothing at all about the father, due to "James Smith" being >such a common name. I don't think the parents married, as there is no >matching record for that either in the OPRs. Also, Mary Crichton Ferrie >(b: Dec. 3, 1822) married twice later in life: first to James Laurie >(1849, Glasgow), and secondly to John Brodie (1870, Edinburgh). At her >earliest recorded marriage (1849) her maiden name is recorded... this >makes me suspect she never married James Smith, Accountant. This is quite normal in Scottish OPRs. Scottish women continued to be known by their maiden name after marriage. In some areas you will find families in the earlier censuses (particularly 1841 and 1851) where the mother is listed with her maiden name, though she is married. Although I think the census takers were instructed to follow the English model. Sometimes you will see a correction made, the maiden name is crossed out. Some old parish records will say "Mary Smith"(maiden name) "relict" (widow) "of John Brown". but I have found second marriages for relatives in Stirling where only the maiden name was given in the parish record - but in the newspaper index for the area the lady is described as Mrs X (first husband's name). Obviously very helpful - unfortunately newspaper indexes for most areas are hard to come by, and most people didn't have their marriage notices in the paper anyway. Anyway, she died in >1900 in Stirling and only James Laurie and John Brodie are mentioned as >husbands on the death record. Often only the last husband is recorded - but if two are recorded, then there may have been only two,or the informant may not have known of the first husband > >Lastly, I just found. James Douglas Smith's death certificate (1925, >Lochee), on which is father is listed as a "Chartered Accountant". Usually a death certificate will state the mother also, in the form "Mary Smith maiden surname Brown" Earlier certificates specifically stated "illegitimate" if this was the case but I think they had stopped doing that by 1925. Do you know where Mary Crichton Ferrie was living at the time of his birth? If you can find the relevant parish, it is just possible that you may find a record in the kirk session records of her being admonished for "antenuptial fornication". On the other hand by this date in the cities it was probably fairly easy to escape the watchful eye of the kirk elders. Especially with the formation of the Free Church in 1843 when large numbers no longer attended their parish church Catherine

I too have been wondering what standard practice for the name recorded for a second marriage in the OPRs was. Would it have been the maiden name or the previous husband's name? Given that for formal documents in Scotland even now a woman is known as e.g. "Jessie Dickson or Ferrie" (Dickson being the maiden name), I suspect the maiden name would be the one used but would be very pleased to hear from any experts! Best wishes, Sheena Ireland -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Boocock [mailto:graeme.boocock@utoronto.ca] Sent: 29 March 2005 21:30 To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Chartered Accountant vs. Accountant His naval records contain a statement from his grandmother (dated 1850) that reads, "I, Jessie Dickson or Ferrie, widow residing at Gilmerton in the County of Edinburgh do solemnly and sincerely declare that James Smith is my grandson. That he was born in Edinburgh on the Twenty first day of October One thousand eight hundred and forty three. He was left with me by his father and mother when he was an infant and has been with me and under my charge ever since and has my full consent to join Her Majesty's Navy." Also, Mary Crichton Ferrie (b: Dec. 3, 1822) married twice later in life: first to James Laurie (1849, Glasgow), and secondly to John Brodie (1870, Edinburgh). At her earliest recorded marriage (1849) her maiden name is recorded... this makes me suspect she never married James Smith, Accountant. Actually, would it have been standard to record a maiden name or a previous husband's surname at a second marriage in the OPRs? Graeme Boocock (Toronto) ______________________________

Hello,list Thank you for the suggestions you have given me. I now know I need to get hold of the birth certificate for Vera Walker born in 1920. I dont know when. I went on Scotlandspeople but the records end 1904 - if I have read that right. Is there a site I can find where and when in 1920? Carolyn