more and more legit places are taking Paypal, which I use whenever I can. If an organisation uses a secure credit card site such as Worldpay, I will use my credit card, but not otherwise. I would NEVER give a company my credit card details direct, and I would NEVER NEVER use a debit card on the web Liz >From: Moira Bue <mbue@cfl.rr.com> >Reply-To: mbue@bigfoot.com >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check >credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON >Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:33:18 -0500 > > If you are in North America; > I have used the following company many times to send monies to the UK > - https://www.xe.com/fx/ > it's a clearing house in Canada. Useful if you do a lot of transactions. >I was > appalled at how much the banks charged. Of course you need to provide > ID as a result of new anti terrorist laws but this site is legit. They >make most > of their money through inter company transfers, their rates are >excellent. > moira > >Gil & Sonia Murray wrote: > >>We've bought things on the Internet with a credit card many times, and >>never >>had a problem before. Unfortunately, I can't send a personal check >>denominated in dollars to someone in Scotland or England, as their bank >>charges to exchange the money would be very high. I once paid the Norfolk >>record Office a little under eight pounds for Hearth Tax copies, and got a >>money order from my bank denominated in sterling to do it - the money >>order >>cost me more than thirty dollars, about fourteen pounds! >> >>All the best, >> >>Sonia >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: gordon crooks [mailto:glcrooks@bcpl.net] Sent: Thursday, March 31, >>2005 1:43 PM >>To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check >>credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON >> >>Sonia: NEVER use a credit card on internet you are asking for trouble and >>you got it. Send them a check, so its takes a few days more, but you are >>safe from credit card scrams. >> >> Gordon >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> >>To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:33 AM >>Subject: RE: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check >>credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON >> >> >> >> >>>It's a shame that all the records aren't available on line. Years ago, I >>>had a company in England, Research St Leonards UK, look up birth records >>>at the Lewes registrar's office for my mystery G-grandfather, Thomas H. >>>Brown, >>>and paid by Visa. This month, I was astonished to find a ninety pound >>>charge on my Visa bill from them! An advanced Google search for the >>>string showed the Sussex police have a growing file on the scam. The >>>firm had been sold, and sold again, and at some time over the years >>>crooks got hold of old records and are now putting charges on the credit >>>cards of people who had ever had them do research. Crooks can get hold >>>of the records of any legitimate company with whom we do business, so our >>>only defense is to check our bills each month for unauthorized charges. >>>If all the records were available on line, this could not have happened. >>>And I would be able to trace my Stephenson family in Edinburgh so easily! >>> Does anyone in Scotland descend from them? >>> >>>Sonia in the U.S. >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: brian ware [mailto:lorconbew@yahoo.co.uk] >>>Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:04 AM >>>To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records >>> >>>Very true,Duncan.Most folk seem to forget the whole system was set up at >>>the taxpayerrs expense and still are.The taxpayers pay the staff wages >>>and eveything else.We all still pay to register family information.It's >>>high time the whole shebang was free to everyone.I don't mind paying for >>>certs copies.Regards Brian. >>> >>> >>>Duncan Smith <d.smith.1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>Robin wrote .... "However there is great concern about personation, >>>identity theft and money laundering ... >>>So the decision in Scotland that online BMD's indexes are restricted is >>>apparently to make it less easy for those with criminal intent to get >>>this information on living people .... >>>Personal visitors to the search rooms in Edinburgh will all be identified >>>so they can access all the indeces. >>>Curiously the English and Welsh BMD indexes are available online almost >>>up to the present." >>> >>>The fact that the English & Welsh indexes are available online right up >>>to >>>2003 shows that it can be done. Any professional crook who wants to >>>'steal' >>>other people's identity (although someone born 90 years ago seems to me, >>>to be rather an unlikely sort of target) is bound to be adept at >>>producing false identification, and will be just the sort of person who >>>will make the effort to go to Edinburgh to use the system at New Register >>>House. >>> >>>It is we poor researchers who can't all get to Edinburgh every day, who >>>thus suffer from these online restrictions, while any would be crooks can >>>happily exploit the anomalies in the system to their own advantage. >>> >>>I don't believe that restricting access to the more recent online >>>records, inhibits the professional fraudsters in any way, but it does >>>spoil things for genuine researchers. >>> >>>Duncan, Dundee >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Send instant messages to your online friends >>>http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >

Hi Their is a John Manson Blockmaker Journeyman aged 34 , in south Leith 1841, http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl Have a look and see if it matches your Mansons , at the same address their is also a 64yr John Manson Mason Journeyman. Janette ----- Original Message ----- From: "bcm" <mansonb@shaw.ca> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 12:41 AM Subject: [MLN] Relief Church, Leith: 1803-1845 >I have been attempting to gather information about my 4 x and 3x great > grandparents. These John MANSON families (senior and junior) first > appeared > in Edinburgh with the New North Church Parish - and later (c. 1820-1851) > the > Relief Church in South Leith. > > John Manson, Gentleman¹s servant and Margaret Robertson his spouse, New > North Church Parish (Edinburgh), a son born 18 Apr 1803 current, named > John. > > We know this Manson family had moved to South Leith by at least 1814 ­ > when > John, the father, witnessed his daughter Mary¹s marriage to a James > DOUGLAS > on 30 Dec 1814. John was listed as O a workman¹. Nothing further has > been > found on the elder John; neither his death record in South Leith nor age > nor > birthdate or location. > > The younger John¹s marriage took place in 1826 in South Leith. > Marriage: John Manson, blockmaker, Leith, and Mary Garrett, residing in > Leith, and daughter of Robert Garrett, Porter there, after Proclamation of > bans (sic) were married by the Revd. John Smart, 20 Apr 1826. > We have established that John and Mary were members of a non-conformist > church, the Relief Church of Leith. It was there that the births and > christenings of the first four children were found. This John Manson did > appear on the 1861 census, but then probably died outwith Scotland as no > death certificate can be located in Scotland. > > Can someone offer a suggestion or advice as to how to proceed further? > > > >

Wee link you might find useful folks.Can't help with family.Regards Brian in Scotland. http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Cable%20Wynd%20in%20South%20Leith&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=iw CABLESWYND: Probably from Henry Campbell, a Fleming who lived in Leith and owned property there in the time of Charles I, Cromwell, and Charles II, j.s. The suggestion of "Cable" in a seaport is obvious, ,11.486.C.2. Henry Capill to be free maltman of Leith, m.t.c. 5/12/1660 D. 1799, 77. Cable Wynd, D. 182 7. Originally Kapple's Wynd, o.& n.e. iii 226. Kappel's Wynd in map of 1850 in Robertson's Sculptured Stones of Leith, Irons 1.297. From a Dutch or Flemish resident, m.t.c. 18/8/1802, 6/3/1816. Alias Mathieson's Wynd, m.t.c. 7/2/1821, 6/3/1838. Among streets in Leith to be repaired is Caple Wynd leading to the Water of Leith, m.t.c. 13/4/1743 bcm <mansonb@shaw.ca> wrote:Looking for the James MORRISON family who were living from at least 1866 to 1874 at 31 Cable Wynd in South Leith. James [b.c. 1832, probable son of William and Mary (McNairn)] died in Feb 1873, age 40, at the same address. His widow Margaret was left with at least 6 children: Margaret, James, John, William, Mary and Isabella. Cable Wynd in South Leith is turning out to be a rather important location in my family history. In December 1874, Margaret (now living at 3 Cable Wynd) married George RAMSAY. Within 3 years two children were born, this time at 11 Cable Wynd. The RAMSAY family was living at this address on the 1881 census as well. Any information re the families or the street in South Leith would be greatly appreciated. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hello, I saw your listing on King families. Wondering if any came to the USA? Liz the names you mentioned are in my King's. They are in Missouri and Possibly Kentucky before that. Having a hard time tracing them, grabbing at leads. Harrison King born 14 Oct, 1812 in Missouri. Listed on Tax list of 1819 in Montgomery County, Missouri. He has a brother called John born Abt. 1810. No parents yet. Small unconfirmed lead as father might be John King and mother, Elizabeth Mudd. *Not Confirmed! Hoping this catches someone's eyes. Thank you. Regard, Theresa Baxter nee King

In western societies the banks do issue international money drafts/order in in most currencies. Here in Canada if you are a Senior and have a so called senior bank account (some places over 55 and others 60) they will issue the draft normally at no cost, (my banks does this). Also if you are using a credit card (e.g. Visa) from a major bank and the company you are dealing with is a legal business and you are scammed then the bank covers the illegal transaction on your card. (just had it happen and was covered by Visa) There are many other methods to pay a bill over the net, e.g. PayPal, these are very secure. When in doubt use a bank money order/draft. A finally, there are the PTT/post office who actually do have international money orders. Ask your bank Bob >

Most registers in England have a form and in it they ask you to send your Visa details by fax. This saves a lot of hassles and I find is pretty secure. So check with the appropriate office in Scotland. Mike Morris Toronto Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:06 PM Subject: RE: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON > Gordon, yes, I can send dollars in cash at the latest exchange rate, but > then the recipient has to change it into sterling, and will get hit with > charges to do so. <snip> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 3/30/05

Hi: Everything that I have originates in Midlothian. Edinburgh..but everything is worth a try. My King would be, Elizabeth Marshall Dempster, bd March 4, 1897 married a David King, coalminer, Feb. 15, 1921. David's father, David Charles Walter King, and the mother's name on the cert is too difficult to read. Looks like Ros..could be ann and the last name I cannot make out. I cannot find anything on the internet that would fit either. The Brash, would be my great-grandmother's sister, Janet MacKay Mill married a John Brash, July 9, 1880. Janet was born Aug. 25 1862 to George Mill and Margret (Margaret) MacKay. The Brash name was carried on to her brother Thomas' son, John Brash Mill. That is all that I have for those two names. Anything fit? Regards Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil Hall" <gil@gilhall.fsnet.co.uk> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] birth records > On Thurs. Mar 31, Liz Dempster wrote: > Researching: DEMPSTER, FRASER, SWAN, LINDSAY, MILL(S), LAING, SYME, > KEMP,BILLSON, COWIE, MONCUR, BRASH, KING, GIBSON, DICKSON. These are the > most recent names. There are more back in the OPR era, but these interest > me most. > > Hi Liz, > > I have one BRASH in my WINTON line and a whole line of KING, originating in > Berwickshire / East Lothian. Can you give some names and dates / locations? > > Regards, > > Gil. HALL, Southampton, England > >

Here are four Garrot/Lee entries that may have some bearing on your search. All are in the time frame and South Leith. This data is from the LDS/FHC BIVRI disk set ($27.00 on line purchase) Hope they are some help. Bob Cdn ========================================= GARROT, Isabella Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 11 Mar 1801 Birthplace: , South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland Recorded in: South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Robert GARROT Mother: Joanne LEES Source: FHL Film 1067778 Dates: 1791 - 1835 GARROT, Mary Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 27 Dec 1804 Christening Date: 6 Jan 1805 Recorded in: South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Robert GARROT Mother: Joanne LEES Source: FHL Film 1067778 Dates: 1791 - 1835 GARRET, Jean Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 29 May 1808 Christening Date: 5 Jun 1808 Recorded in: South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Robert GARRET Mother: Jean LEES Source: FHL Film 1067779 Dates: 1791 - 1835 GERRET, Robert Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 14 Apr 1817 Christening Date: 27 Apr 1817 Recorded in: South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Robert GERRET Mother: Jean LEE Source: FHL Film 1067779 Dates: 1791 - 1835 Looking for any information re my gggg grandparents, Robert GARRET (or >Garrot), wife Jean or Joanne Lees, whose children were chr. in South Leith >between 1802 - 1808. One daughter, Mary, married John Manson, a ship's >blockmaker, in So. Leith in 1826. They appear to have been members of the >Relief Church. > > >

On Thurs. Mar 31, Liz Dempster wrote: Researching: DEMPSTER, FRASER, SWAN, LINDSAY, MILL(S), LAING, SYME, KEMP,BILLSON, COWIE, MONCUR, BRASH, KING, GIBSON, DICKSON. These are the most recent names. There are more back in the OPR era, but these interest me most. Hi Liz, I have one BRASH in my WINTON line and a whole line of KING, originating in Berwickshire / East Lothian. Can you give some names and dates / locations? Regards, Gil. HALL, Southampton, England

I wonder, because here in Canada we can only access what is released and on line for Scotland. Actually, I was told when I first started that there was a 100 year privacy act, that was why the 1901 census wasn't on line until after 2001 and even at that it took some time to access that, and it was mainly to protect the privacy of the living. My information could be wrong....as I am finding out by the replies to my earlier mail. I also wanted information from Bangour Village, and at the time their site definitely had a reference to a 75 year privacy act, and they would only consider a lookup (for a fee) earlier if it were necessary for a medical issue. So it fell inline with the other. I haven't checked to see if there has been any change to that. I guess I have to go to Scotland to sit in the archives and find everything I really want to know. Regards, Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Smith" <d.smith.1@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: [MLN] Re - Birth Records > Liz, > > You say that ... "There is a privacy act regarding birth records. The Scottish was 100 years, for births and census. That is why you will only be able to get records up to 1904. The marriage and death records are less in time, with the marriages up to the 1920's and the deaths up to 1954" ... > > Whilst agreeing with you that those are the cut-offs for availability when it comes to searching b,m &d's on Scotlandspeople, I am curious to know why it is that people visiting New Register House in Edinburgh are able to access very recent births, deaths & marriages. When you go there, you are using a computer screen to search the indexes, and images - just as one uses a computer to access Scotlandspeople. So why the difference I wonder? > > Duncan, Dundee >

Sonia: I was in the international transportation business for years, its easy to send the exact amount in dollars to equal pounds , marks, guilders whatever. Your bank can quote you say what $50.00 amounts to in any currency. With the hackers and internet thieves we have today I would rather be safe than sorry. Gordon Crooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:44 PM Subject: RE: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON > We've bought things on the Internet with a credit card many times, and > never > had a problem before. Unfortunately, I can't send a personal check > denominated in dollars to someone in Scotland or England, as their bank > charges to exchange the money would be very high. I once paid the Norfolk > record Office a little under eight pounds for Hearth Tax copies, and got a > money order from my bank denominated in sterling to do it - the money > order > cost me more than thirty dollars, about fourteen pounds! > > All the best, > > Sonia > > -----Original Message----- > From: gordon crooks [mailto:glcrooks@bcpl.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:43 PM > To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check > credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON > > Sonia: NEVER use a credit card on internet you are asking for trouble and > you got it. Send them a check, so its takes a few days more, but you are > safe from credit card scrams. > > Gordon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:33 AM > Subject: RE: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check > credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON > > >> It's a shame that all the records aren't available on line. Years >> ago, I had a company in England, Research St Leonards UK, look up >> birth records at the Lewes registrar's office for my mystery >> G-grandfather, Thomas H. >> Brown, >> and paid by Visa. This month, I was astonished to find a ninety pound >> charge on my Visa bill from them! An advanced Google search for the >> string showed the Sussex police have a growing file on the scam. The >> firm had been sold, and sold again, and at some time over the years >> crooks got hold of old records and are now putting charges on the >> credit cards of people who had ever had them do research. Crooks can >> get hold of the records of any legitimate company with whom we do >> business, so our only defense is to check our bills each month for >> unauthorized charges. If all the records were available on line, this >> could not have happened. And I would be able to trace my Stephenson >> family in Edinburgh so easily! Does anyone in Scotland descend from >> them? >> >> Sonia in the U.S. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: brian ware [mailto:lorconbew@yahoo.co.uk] >> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:04 AM >> To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records >> >> Very true,Duncan.Most folk seem to forget the whole system was set up >> at the taxpayerrs expense and still are.The taxpayers pay the staff >> wages and eveything else.We all still pay to register family >> information.It's high time the whole shebang was free to everyone.I >> don't mind paying for certs copies.Regards Brian. >> >> >> Duncan Smith <d.smith.1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> Robin wrote .... "However there is great concern about personation, >> identity theft and money laundering ... >> So the decision in Scotland that online BMD's indexes are restricted >> is apparently to make it less easy for those with criminal intent to >> get this information on living people .... >> Personal visitors to the search rooms in Edinburgh will all be >> identified so they can access all the indeces. >> Curiously the English and Welsh BMD indexes are available online >> almost up to the present." >> >> The fact that the English & Welsh indexes are available online right >> up to >> 2003 shows that it can be done. Any professional crook who wants to >> 'steal' >> other people's identity (although someone born 90 years ago seems to >> me, to be rather an unlikely sort of target) is bound to be adept at >> producing false identification, and will be just the sort of person >> who will make the effort to go to Edinburgh to use the system at New >> Register House. >> >> It is we poor researchers who can't all get to Edinburgh every day, >> who thus suffer from these online restrictions, while any would be >> crooks can happily exploit the anomalies in the system to their own >> advantage. >> >> I don't believe that restricting access to the more recent online >> records, inhibits the professional fraudsters in any way, but it does >> spoil things for genuine researchers. >> >> Duncan, Dundee >> >> >> >> >> >> Send instant messages to your online friends >> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> > > > > >

If you are in North America; I have used the following company many times to send monies to the UK - https://www.xe.com/fx/ it's a clearing house in Canada. Useful if you do a lot of transactions. I was appalled at how much the banks charged. Of course you need to provide ID as a result of new anti terrorist laws but this site is legit. They make most of their money through inter company transfers, their rates are excellent. moira Gil & Sonia Murray wrote: >We've bought things on the Internet with a credit card many times, and never >had a problem before. Unfortunately, I can't send a personal check >denominated in dollars to someone in Scotland or England, as their bank >charges to exchange the money would be very high. I once paid the Norfolk >record Office a little under eight pounds for Hearth Tax copies, and got a >money order from my bank denominated in sterling to do it - the money order >cost me more than thirty dollars, about fourteen pounds! > >All the best, > >Sonia > >-----Original Message----- >From: gordon crooks [mailto:glcrooks@bcpl.net] >Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:43 PM >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check >credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON > >Sonia: NEVER use a credit card on internet you are asking for trouble and >you got it. Send them a check, so its takes a few days more, but you are >safe from credit card scrams. > > Gordon >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> >To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:33 AM >Subject: RE: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check >credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON > > > > >>It's a shame that all the records aren't available on line. Years >>ago, I had a company in England, Research St Leonards UK, look up >>birth records at the Lewes registrar's office for my mystery >>G-grandfather, Thomas H. >>Brown, >>and paid by Visa. This month, I was astonished to find a ninety pound >>charge on my Visa bill from them! An advanced Google search for the >>string showed the Sussex police have a growing file on the scam. The >>firm had been sold, and sold again, and at some time over the years >>crooks got hold of old records and are now putting charges on the >>credit cards of people who had ever had them do research. Crooks can >>get hold of the records of any legitimate company with whom we do >>business, so our only defense is to check our bills each month for >>unauthorized charges. If all the records were available on line, this >>could not have happened. And I would be able to trace my Stephenson >>family in Edinburgh so easily! Does anyone in Scotland descend from >>them? >> >>Sonia in the U.S. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: brian ware [mailto:lorconbew@yahoo.co.uk] >>Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:04 AM >>To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records >> >>Very true,Duncan.Most folk seem to forget the whole system was set up >>at the taxpayerrs expense and still are.The taxpayers pay the staff >>wages and eveything else.We all still pay to register family >>information.It's high time the whole shebang was free to everyone.I >>don't mind paying for certs copies.Regards Brian. >> >> >>Duncan Smith <d.smith.1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>Robin wrote .... "However there is great concern about personation, >>identity theft and money laundering ... >>So the decision in Scotland that online BMD's indexes are restricted >>is apparently to make it less easy for those with criminal intent to >>get this information on living people .... >>Personal visitors to the search rooms in Edinburgh will all be >>identified so they can access all the indeces. >>Curiously the English and Welsh BMD indexes are available online >>almost up to the present." >> >>The fact that the English & Welsh indexes are available online right >>up to >>2003 shows that it can be done. Any professional crook who wants to >>'steal' >>other people's identity (although someone born 90 years ago seems to >>me, to be rather an unlikely sort of target) is bound to be adept at >>producing false identification, and will be just the sort of person >>who will make the effort to go to Edinburgh to use the system at New >>Register House. >> >>It is we poor researchers who can't all get to Edinburgh every day, >>who thus suffer from these online restrictions, while any would be >>crooks can happily exploit the anomalies in the system to their own >>advantage. >> >>I don't believe that restricting access to the more recent online >>records, inhibits the professional fraudsters in any way, but it does >>spoil things for genuine researchers. >> >>Duncan, Dundee >> >> >> >> >> >>Send instant messages to your online friends >>http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >

Hi Jan: I have a Thomas McNiff who married into one of my lines - Martha Kennedy Niven. They married in Glasgow in 1900 and settled later in Bo'ness.and Carriden area. Children: Donald 1901, Rebecca Niven 1902-1903, Thomas Smith 1914 - 1915. I've had no luck researching this branch. I'm not sure if Thomas and Martha had more children etc. It would be nice to connect ! Please respond if anything looks promising Thanks. Cheers, Violet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Haggart" <archangel1@optusnet.com.au> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:59 PM Subject: McNiff > Hello List > > Is there anyone researching the name McNIFF. I have a great aunt Mary > McNiff, probably from the Cockpen area, who gave information on her mother's > death in 1895. > Her parents were Peter and Helen Duffy. > > Regards > Jan Haggart > > ______________________________

Archie Thank you. Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: Archie Gilbert To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] birth records Liz and Carolyn, Just to clarify a wee bit. There is a 100 year closure on births, 75 years on marriages and 50 years on deaths. However, this only applies on the internet. If you visit New Register House or get a researcher or SKS to search for you the data is available right up to the present. Archie Gilbert, Kinross. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Dempster" <germic90@sympatico.ca> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [MLN] birth records > CArolyn: > > There is a privacy act regarding birth records. The Scottish was 100 years, > for births and census. That is why you will only be able to get records up > to 1904. The marriage and death records are less in time, with the > marriages up to the 1920's and the deaths up to 1954. I don't know about > Scotland, but in Canada you can get records if you are a direct descendant. > As the millenium approached we were all waiting for those records to be > released....it answered a lot of questions but created more because now we > all want to find more about the names found in those records. I now know of > so many more names to add and I realize....SOMEWHERE in Scotland, there > could be relatives my age, who just might have stories to share with > me....and I can't find them! > > Researching: DEMPSTER, FRASER, SWAN, LINDSAY, MILL(S), LAING, SYME, > KEMP,BILLSON, COWIE, MONCUR, BRASH, KING, GIBSON, DICKSON. These are the > most recent names. There are more back in the OPR era, but these interest > me most. > > I only started out with Dempster, Lindsay, Mills, Kemp, Fraser and Swan. > > Regards, > Liz Dempster > Southern ON Canada > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "carolyn" <dayc@talk21.com> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:23 AM > Subject: [MLN] birth records > > > > Hello,list > > > > Thank you for the suggestions you have given me. I now know I need to get > hold of the birth certificate for Vera Walker born in 1920. I dont know > when. I went on Scotlandspeople but the records end 1904 - if I have read > that right. Is there a site I can find where and when in 1920? > > > > Carolyn > > > > > >

Gordon, yes, I can send dollars in cash at the latest exchange rate, but then the recipient has to change it into sterling, and will get hit with charges to do so. I think there is a company in Washington, DC which exchanges money and sends you a money order made out in right currency, for a very low fee - can't recall their name, my mind is going! All the best, Sonia -----Original Message----- From: gordon crooks [mailto:glcrooks@bcpl.net] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:48 PM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON Sonia: I was in the international transportation business for years, its easy to send the exact amount in dollars to equal pounds , marks, guilders whatever. Your bank can quote you say what $50.00 amounts to in any currency. With the hackers and internet thieves we have today I would rather be safe than sorry. Gordon Crooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:44 PM Subject: RE: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON > We've bought things on the Internet with a credit card many times, and > never had a problem before. Unfortunately, I can't send a personal > check denominated in dollars to someone in Scotland or England, as > their bank charges to exchange the money would be very high. I once > paid the Norfolk record Office a little under eight pounds for Hearth > Tax copies, and got a money order from my bank denominated in sterling > to do it - the money order cost me more than thirty dollars, about > fourteen pounds! > > All the best, > > Sonia > > -----Original Message----- > From: gordon crooks [mailto:glcrooks@bcpl.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:43 PM > To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" > check credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON > > Sonia: NEVER use a credit card on internet you are asking for trouble > and you got it. Send them a check, so its takes a few days more, but > you are safe from credit card scrams. > > Gordon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:33 AM > Subject: RE: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" > check credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON > > >> It's a shame that all the records aren't available on line. Years >> ago, I had a company in England, Research St Leonards UK, look up >> birth records at the Lewes registrar's office for my mystery >> G-grandfather, Thomas H. >> Brown, >> and paid by Visa. This month, I was astonished to find a ninety >> pound charge on my Visa bill from them! An advanced Google search >> for the string showed the Sussex police have a growing file on the >> scam. The firm had been sold, and sold again, and at some time over >> the years crooks got hold of old records and are now putting charges >> on the credit cards of people who had ever had them do research. >> Crooks can get hold of the records of any legitimate company with >> whom we do business, so our only defense is to check our bills each >> month for unauthorized charges. If all the records were available on >> line, this could not have happened. And I would be able to trace my >> Stephenson family in Edinburgh so easily! Does anyone in Scotland >> descend from them? >> >> Sonia in the U.S. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: brian ware [mailto:lorconbew@yahoo.co.uk] >> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:04 AM >> To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records >> >> Very true,Duncan.Most folk seem to forget the whole system was set up >> at the taxpayerrs expense and still are.The taxpayers pay the staff >> wages and eveything else.We all still pay to register family >> information.It's high time the whole shebang was free to everyone.I >> don't mind paying for certs copies.Regards Brian. >> >> >> Duncan Smith <d.smith.1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> Robin wrote .... "However there is great concern about personation, >> identity theft and money laundering ... >> So the decision in Scotland that online BMD's indexes are restricted >> is apparently to make it less easy for those with criminal intent to >> get this information on living people .... >> Personal visitors to the search rooms in Edinburgh will all be >> identified so they can access all the indeces. >> Curiously the English and Welsh BMD indexes are available online >> almost up to the present." >> >> The fact that the English & Welsh indexes are available online right >> up to >> 2003 shows that it can be done. Any professional crook who wants to >> 'steal' >> other people's identity (although someone born 90 years ago seems to >> me, to be rather an unlikely sort of target) is bound to be adept at >> producing false identification, and will be just the sort of person >> who will make the effort to go to Edinburgh to use the system at New >> Register House. >> >> It is we poor researchers who can't all get to Edinburgh every day, >> who thus suffer from these online restrictions, while any would be >> crooks can happily exploit the anomalies in the system to their own >> advantage. >> >> I don't believe that restricting access to the more recent online >> records, inhibits the professional fraudsters in any way, but it does >> spoil things for genuine researchers. >> >> Duncan, Dundee >> >> >> >> >> >> Send instant messages to your online friends >> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> > > > > >

Liz and Carolyn, Just to clarify a wee bit. There is a 100 year closure on births, 75 years on marriages and 50 years on deaths. However, this only applies on the internet. If you visit New Register House or get a researcher or SKS to search for you the data is available right up to the present. Archie Gilbert, Kinross. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Dempster" <germic90@sympatico.ca> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [MLN] birth records > CArolyn: > > There is a privacy act regarding birth records. The Scottish was 100 years, > for births and census. That is why you will only be able to get records up > to 1904. The marriage and death records are less in time, with the > marriages up to the 1920's and the deaths up to 1954. I don't know about > Scotland, but in Canada you can get records if you are a direct descendant. > As the millenium approached we were all waiting for those records to be > released....it answered a lot of questions but created more because now we > all want to find more about the names found in those records. I now know of > so many more names to add and I realize....SOMEWHERE in Scotland, there > could be relatives my age, who just might have stories to share with > me....and I can't find them! > > Researching: DEMPSTER, FRASER, SWAN, LINDSAY, MILL(S), LAING, SYME, > KEMP,BILLSON, COWIE, MONCUR, BRASH, KING, GIBSON, DICKSON. These are the > most recent names. There are more back in the OPR era, but these interest > me most. > > I only started out with Dempster, Lindsay, Mills, Kemp, Fraser and Swan. > > Regards, > Liz Dempster > Southern ON Canada > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "carolyn" <dayc@talk21.com> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:23 AM > Subject: [MLN] birth records > > > > Hello,list > > > > Thank you for the suggestions you have given me. I now know I need to get > hold of the birth certificate for Vera Walker born in 1920. I dont know > when. I went on Scotlandspeople but the records end 1904 - if I have read > that right. Is there a site I can find where and when in 1920? > > > > Carolyn > > > > > >

Contact and tell your credit card company immediately - they will cancel your card and issue it with a new number. Yes, what a shame, the company was legitimate and did good work, but I understand it was sold at least twice and a crook got hold of their records. Do an advanced Google search for the string "Research St Leonards UK" and you will get the e-mail address of the Sussex police - report it to them - they have a growing file. All the best, Sonia Murray -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Dods [mailto:elizd77@rogers.com] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:49 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON I just sent an e-mail a few days ago to researchinuk to ask why there was a ?90 charge on my account. No reply, no surprise. It seems this is part of a wider scam. Tell everyone. What a shame, as this was a good service. Elizabeth Dods <elizd77@rogers.com> -----Original Message----- From: Gil & Sonia Murray [mailto:happyman70@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:33 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON It's a shame that all the records aren't available on line. Years ago, I had a company in England, Research St Leonards UK, look up birth records at the Lewes registrar's office for my mystery G-grandfather, Thomas H. Brown, and paid by Visa. This month, I was astonished to find a ninety pound charge on my Visa bill from them! An advanced Google search for the string showed the Sussex police have a growing file on the scam. The firm had been sold, and sold again, and at some time over the years crooks got hold of old records and are now putting charges on the credit cards of people who had ever had them do research. Crooks can get hold of the records of any legitimate company with whom we do business, so our only defense is to check our bills each month for unauthorized charges. If all the records were available on line, this could not have happened. And I would be able to trace my Stephenson family in Edinburgh so easily! Does anyone in Scotland descend from them? Sonia in the U.S. -----Original Message----- From: brian ware [mailto:lorconbew@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:04 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records Very true,Duncan.Most folk seem to forget the whole system was set up at the taxpayerrs expense and still are.The taxpayers pay the staff wages and eveything else.We all still pay to register family information.It's high time the whole shebang was free to everyone.I don't mind paying for certs copies.Regards Brian. Duncan Smith <d.smith.1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: Robin wrote .... "However there is great concern about personation, identity theft and money laundering ... So the decision in Scotland that online BMD's indexes are restricted is apparently to make it less easy for those with criminal intent to get this information on living people .... Personal visitors to the search rooms in Edinburgh will all be identified so they can access all the indeces. Curiously the English and Welsh BMD indexes are available online almost up to the present." The fact that the English & Welsh indexes are available online right up to 2003 shows that it can be done. Any professional crook who wants to 'steal' other people's identity (although someone born 90 years ago seems to me, to be rather an unlikely sort of target) is bound to be adept at producing false identification, and will be just the sort of person who will make the effort to go to Edinburgh to use the system at New Register House. It is we poor researchers who can't all get to Edinburgh every day, who thus suffer from these online restrictions, while any would be crooks can happily exploit the anomalies in the system to their own advantage. I don't believe that restricting access to the more recent online records, inhibits the professional fraudsters in any way, but it does spoil things for genuine researchers. Duncan, Dundee Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Looking for the James MORRISON family who were living from at least 1860 to 1864 at 11 Coatfield Lane South Leith. James [b.c. 1832, probable son of William and Mary (McNairn)] D, wife Margaret and at least 3 children would be living there at the time.

We've bought things on the Internet with a credit card many times, and never had a problem before. Unfortunately, I can't send a personal check denominated in dollars to someone in Scotland or England, as their bank charges to exchange the money would be very high. I once paid the Norfolk record Office a little under eight pounds for Hearth Tax copies, and got a money order from my bank denominated in sterling to do it - the money order cost me more than thirty dollars, about fourteen pounds! All the best, Sonia -----Original Message----- From: gordon crooks [mailto:glcrooks@bcpl.net] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:43 PM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON Sonia: NEVER use a credit card on internet you are asking for trouble and you got it. Send them a check, so its takes a few days more, but you are safe from credit card scrams. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON > It's a shame that all the records aren't available on line. Years > ago, I had a company in England, Research St Leonards UK, look up > birth records at the Lewes registrar's office for my mystery > G-grandfather, Thomas H. > Brown, > and paid by Visa. This month, I was astonished to find a ninety pound > charge on my Visa bill from them! An advanced Google search for the > string showed the Sussex police have a growing file on the scam. The > firm had been sold, and sold again, and at some time over the years > crooks got hold of old records and are now putting charges on the > credit cards of people who had ever had them do research. Crooks can > get hold of the records of any legitimate company with whom we do > business, so our only defense is to check our bills each month for > unauthorized charges. If all the records were available on line, this > could not have happened. And I would be able to trace my Stephenson > family in Edinburgh so easily! Does anyone in Scotland descend from > them? > > Sonia in the U.S. > > -----Original Message----- > From: brian ware [mailto:lorconbew@yahoo.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:04 AM > To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records > > Very true,Duncan.Most folk seem to forget the whole system was set up > at the taxpayerrs expense and still are.The taxpayers pay the staff > wages and eveything else.We all still pay to register family > information.It's high time the whole shebang was free to everyone.I > don't mind paying for certs copies.Regards Brian. > > > Duncan Smith <d.smith.1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Robin wrote .... "However there is great concern about personation, > identity theft and money laundering ... > So the decision in Scotland that online BMD's indexes are restricted > is apparently to make it less easy for those with criminal intent to > get this information on living people .... > Personal visitors to the search rooms in Edinburgh will all be > identified so they can access all the indeces. > Curiously the English and Welsh BMD indexes are available online > almost up to the present." > > The fact that the English & Welsh indexes are available online right > up to > 2003 shows that it can be done. Any professional crook who wants to > 'steal' > other people's identity (although someone born 90 years ago seems to > me, to be rather an unlikely sort of target) is bound to be adept at > producing false identification, and will be just the sort of person > who will make the effort to go to Edinburgh to use the system at New > Register House. > > It is we poor researchers who can't all get to Edinburgh every day, > who thus suffer from these online restrictions, while any would be > crooks can happily exploit the anomalies in the system to their own > advantage. > > I don't believe that restricting access to the more recent online > records, inhibits the professional fraudsters in any way, but it does > spoil things for genuine researchers. > > Duncan, Dundee > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > >

I have been attempting to gather information about my 4 x and 3x great grandparents. These John MANSON families (senior and junior) first appeared in Edinburgh with the New North Church Parish - and later (c. 1820-1851) the Relief Church in South Leith. John Manson, Gentleman¹s servant and Margaret Robertson his spouse, New North Church Parish (Edinburgh), a son born 18 Apr 1803 current, named John. We know this Manson family had moved to South Leith by at least 1814 ­ when John, the father, witnessed his daughter Mary¹s marriage to a James DOUGLAS on 30 Dec 1814. John was listed as Œ a workman¹. Nothing further has been found on the elder John; neither his death record in South Leith nor age nor birthdate or location. The younger John¹s marriage took place in 1826 in South Leith. Marriage: John Manson, blockmaker, Leith, and Mary Garrett, residing in Leith, and daughter of Robert Garrett, Porter there, after Proclamation of bans (sic) were married by the Revd. John Smart, 20 Apr 1826. We have established that John and Mary were members of a non-conformist church, the Relief Church of Leith. It was there that the births and christenings of the first four children were found. This John Manson did appear on the 1861 census, but then probably died outwith Scotland as no death certificate can be located in Scotland. Can someone offer a suggestion or advice as to how to proceed further?