Greetings several weeks ago a kind lister did a lookup for me from the 1851 census , i have lost my hard drive and was wondering if she had kept the original email by chance , her name was Campbell. The query i had was for a Ellen Dot /Dott born in linlithgow and she sent me a copy of a lookup for a John Dott , pauper formely a shoemaker , if she could resend that to me i would be much appreciated , regards Paul Power _________________________________________________________________ Find news, images and info in the blink of an eye with the all-new, improved MSN Search! http://search.msn.co.uk

I can¹t read the writing on the address in South Leith on the 1871 census. It looks like - Someston's Close. Can someone help with this, please?

Hi Theresa, None of my KING line emigrated to USA , as far as I am aware. Regards, Gil.

Hi. Liz, My BRASH was Alison BRASH born about 1822 in Athelstaneford, Haddington. She married John /James WINTON in Inveresk in 1846. I have her father as Peter BRASH. As I said my KING family hailed from Haddington and Berwickshire, although some did migrate to Edinburgh and Northumberland. I have two David KINGs from the mid and late 1700s, both born in Coldingham, Berwickshire, but no Coal Miners that I know of. Regards, Gil.

Hi, My BRASH was Alison BRASH born about 1822 in Athelstaneford, Haddington. She married John /James WINTON in Inveresk in 1846. I have her father as Peter BRASH. Regards, Gil.

Dear Val A Cousin of mine living in Dunfermline sent me three pages all about the Forth Bridge. I think he may have got them from a website of . "The Scotsman". At the end of the article are the following websites:- http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=1433652004 Forth Bridges: http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=654 Websites: Forth Bridges Visitor Centre Trust. http://www.forthbridges.org.uk/ Forth Estuary Transport Alliance. http://www.feta.gov.uk/webpagesconsult.php ForthRight Alliance. http://www.forthrightalliance.org/ Hope this is some use to you. If you wish I will post you a copy of the pages. Good Luck Carmel

Was there a wartime survey of Scottish farms in WWI? We have today been given a map of our farm dated 1915. This shows the crop plan of each of the fields with fruit (black currants, gooseberries, strawberries etc.) One field is marked as 'excluded' ... This sounds rather official ... And as there was a farm survey in WWII would like to find out is the same was done in WWI. Regards Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

I was at the National Archives of Scotland today and took notes from the W Calder Kirk Session on the above case of disputed parentage. I would gladly supply details to anyone who is interested in the case. Marjorie Morrison

Hi Gil...I have been searching for a David King of Birmingham, could be late 1700. His son William is my ggfather. Would there be any connection? Gary

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I fail to see how using your credit card on the internet is less secure than using it in the shop down the road. I only use my card on sites that are secure - you get a warning before the page loads and there is a padlock on the bottom of the internet explorer bar. These sites use encryption and it is near impossible for 'hackers' to get into. I wont go into detail about the whole thing because this is a genealogy list not a tech list but IF someone 'hacked' in to part of a message that you sent that included your credit card number they would not be able to read the message without the key, the keys are changed with every response. Having said all that, there is always the threat of human intervention, as there is in your local department store. I would never fax my card details (sorry Mike) because there is always the risk of human error - accidentally sending it to the wrong number, your fax sitting in the 'inbox' with however many staff members walking around it. Use your credit card on the internet like you would out in the world, you wouldnt give your credit card to just anyone. Check out the sites you want to use it on. The argument that in a few years down the track the company on the internet that you gave your number to used it to take your money could be used about your local book store. Kylie *Still stuck with my William Noble and Janet Edmonstone Leith abt 1801- 1832*

B.Manson has posted various queries of late, about GARRET and MANSON families, and their connections to the Relief Church in South Leith. As I suspect that Mr Manson may live in Canada, this information may not be terribly helpful, but I'll make mention of it all the same. While I was researching some of my ancestors from Leith (ROSS, MacDONALD, STRATTON, POWRIE and so on), I found that there were some useful resources housed in the National Archives at General Register House. Under ref. CH3/728 there are a number of original volumes relating to the United Presbyterian Church - Junction Road, Leith. This is an alternative name for the Relief Church see http://sttjrd.www5.50megs.com/ which shows a picture of the Church. Although today it is called St Thomas, and is C of S, the Presbyterian (and earlier) history of the Church can be accesses via a link entitled 'historical outline of our Church'. Returning to the N.A.S. catalogue, I would suggest that you consider studying the following selection : CH3/728/39 Communicant's Roll - which shows various details of the congregation, such as their current address, occupation, and even marital status. CH3/728/32, 33, 34 & 36 Baptism & Marriage registers between 1825 - 1879 (Marriages only 1837 - 1855). I have never found a burial register relating to this Church, but some of my ancestors, who were members of the Relief Church, have proved to have been buried at Rosebank Cemetery (registers with Mortonhall Crematorium) and South Leith Kirkyard (registers up to about 1843 with the N.A.S. - later ones at Mortonhall). Duncan, Dundee

You just know you are going to get your fingers rapped for continuing this off topic subject :)) So one last word on this subject. Isn't there an extra cost involved when you use an encrypted site? A payment to the people who run these sites? The fax system of payment was set up at no extra charge by the registrar office I use in Cheshire and in Lancashire. Mike Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "ELIZABETH DODS" <elizd77@rogers.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [MLN] credit card bills > Mike, > I would never send my visa number by fax. Encrypted sites are as safe as anything that exists, <snip>. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 3/30/05

Mike, I would never send my visa number by fax. Encrypted sites are as safe as anything that exists, and much more convenient. E.D.. Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> wrote: Most registers in England have a form and in it they ask you to send your Visa details by fax. This saves a lot of hassles and I find is pretty secure. So check with the appropriate office in Scotland. Mike Morris Toronto Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" To: Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:06 PM Subject: RE: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON > Gordon, yes, I can send dollars in cash at the latest exchange rate, but > then the recipient has to change it into sterling, and will get hit with > charges to do so. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 3/30/05

Bob, This is sensible advice. I too am caught in this scam, and I expect that eventually my bank to cover this through Visa. I always use 'secure' payment sites, but I believe the issue in this case is that parties have stolen or hacked information which had been stored by researchinuk. This was always a great service, and I am not sure whether any part of it will survive. But we are in the 21st century, where snail mail is a complete drag. Use internet payment with caution, and change your visa number every couple of years. Elizabeth Dods hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> wrote: In western societies the banks do issue international money drafts/order in in most currencies. Here in Canada if you are a Senior and have a so called senior bank account (some places over 55 and others 60) they will issue the draft normally at no cost, (my banks does this). Also if you are using a credit card (e.g. Visa) from a major bank and the company you are dealing with is a legal business and you are scammed then the bank covers the illegal transaction on your card. (just had it happen and was covered by Visa) There are many other methods to pay a bill over the net, e.g. PayPal, these are very secure. When in doubt use a bank money order/draft. A finally, there are the PTT/post office who actually do have international money orders. Ask your bank Bob >

Thanks Gordon, I just fill in the form I have in my files and fax it to them. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [MLN] credit card bills > Mike there is also another way which is very secure. I deal with a outfit in > Canada all the time and with one on Holland from time to time, both have my > credit card number in their files which was originally sent to them via > snail mail. When I place a repeat order I simply say in the e mail "use my > credit card listed in your file ending with the last four numbers of" > Gordon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:34 PM > Subject: [MLN] credit card bills > > > > Most registers in England have a form and in it they ask you to send your > > Visa details by fax. This saves a lot of hassles and I find is pretty > > secure. So check with the appropriate office in Scotland. > > > > Mike Morris > > Toronto Canada. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> > > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:06 PM > > Subject: RE: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check > > credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON > > > > > >> Gordon, yes, I can send dollars in cash at the latest exchange rate, but > >> then the recipient has to change it into sterling, and will get hit with > >> charges to do so. <snip> > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 3/30/05 > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 3/30/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 3/30/05

On 1/4/05 1:55 am, "Liz Dempster" <germic90@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Actually, I was told when I first started that there was > a 100 year privacy act, that was why the 1901 census wasn't on line until > after 2001 Census data is treated differently .. When the census is taken people are told the information is confidential and will not be released ... We were briefed on this when we were enumerators for the 1991 Census. This assurance is then becomes the 100 year closure. BUT in Scotland this was previously taken as a lesser closure and until the 1901 Census release Scots Censuses used to be released sooner ... BMD information is I believe a public record and thus is readily available at any registrars office or through the central registries ..but they have variously decided to make online internet access restricted .... Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

Mike there is also another way which is very secure. I deal with a outfit in Canada all the time and with one on Holland from time to time, both have my credit card number in their files which was originally sent to them via snail mail. When I place a repeat order I simply say in the e mail "use my credit card listed in your file ending with the last four numbers of" Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:34 PM Subject: [MLN] credit card bills > Most registers in England have a form and in it they ask you to send your > Visa details by fax. This saves a lot of hassles and I find is pretty > secure. So check with the appropriate office in Scotland. > > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:06 PM > Subject: RE: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check > credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON > > >> Gordon, yes, I can send dollars in cash at the latest exchange rate, but >> then the recipient has to change it into sterling, and will get hit with >> charges to do so. <snip> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 3/30/05 > > >

Sonia: First I agre with the mind part, I just parcelled out some work to other members of the family as I can't handle it all and remember all of it!! Before you send anyone your credit card number you should also check with your credit card issuer, some are NOW charging 3% on all foreign transactions. I just cancelled out National Bank of Omha for this reason. I think mopst companies figure in a fee in their prices these days, after all they know they are going to pay a fee on your credit purchase from them. Fee use to mean fee fi foo, today it meanbs a way to part you from your money. The State of md. where i live has a republican Governor for the first time in 40 years. HE SAID no new taxes, but he is feeing us to death, example my "fee" for auto license renewal went from $90.00 for 2 years to $180.00 for the same period of time, he has also begone a flush fee for toilets which I must pay inspite of the fact that i have septic system!! There is no end in sight until you die!!! Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: RE: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON > Gordon, yes, I can send dollars in cash at the latest exchange rate, but > then the recipient has to change it into sterling, and will get hit with > charges to do so. I think there is a company in Washington, DC which > exchanges money and sends you a money order made out in right currency, > for > a very low fee - can't recall their name, my mind is going! > > All the best, > Sonia > > -----Original Message----- > From: gordon crooks [mailto:glcrooks@bcpl.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:48 PM > To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check > credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON > > Sonia: I was in the international transportation business for years, its > easy to send the exact amount in dollars to equal pounds , marks, guilders > whatever. Your bank can quote you say what $50.00 amounts to in any > currency. With the hackers and internet thieves we have today I would > rather > be safe than sorry. > > Gordon Crooks > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> > To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:44 PM > Subject: RE: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" check > credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON > > >> We've bought things on the Internet with a credit card many times, and >> never had a problem before. Unfortunately, I can't send a personal >> check denominated in dollars to someone in Scotland or England, as >> their bank charges to exchange the money would be very high. I once >> paid the Norfolk record Office a little under eight pounds for Hearth >> Tax copies, and got a money order from my bank denominated in sterling >> to do it - the money order cost me more than thirty dollars, about >> fourteen pounds! >> >> All the best, >> >> Sonia >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gordon crooks [mailto:glcrooks@bcpl.net] >> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:43 PM >> To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" >> check credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON >> >> Sonia: NEVER use a credit card on internet you are asking for trouble >> and you got it. Send them a check, so its takes a few days more, but >> you are safe from credit card scrams. >> >> Gordon >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> >> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:33 AM >> Subject: RE: [MLN] Re - Birth records and "Research St Leonards UK" >> check credit card bills for unauthorized charges - STEPHENSON >> >> >>> It's a shame that all the records aren't available on line. Years >>> ago, I had a company in England, Research St Leonards UK, look up >>> birth records at the Lewes registrar's office for my mystery >>> G-grandfather, Thomas H. >>> Brown, >>> and paid by Visa. This month, I was astonished to find a ninety >>> pound charge on my Visa bill from them! An advanced Google search >>> for the string showed the Sussex police have a growing file on the >>> scam. The firm had been sold, and sold again, and at some time over >>> the years crooks got hold of old records and are now putting charges >>> on the credit cards of people who had ever had them do research. >>> Crooks can get hold of the records of any legitimate company with >>> whom we do business, so our only defense is to check our bills each >>> month for unauthorized charges. If all the records were available on >>> line, this could not have happened. And I would be able to trace my >>> Stephenson family in Edinburgh so easily! Does anyone in Scotland >>> descend from them? >>> >>> Sonia in the U.S. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: brian ware [mailto:lorconbew@yahoo.co.uk] >>> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:04 AM >>> To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [MLN] Re - Birth records >>> >>> Very true,Duncan.Most folk seem to forget the whole system was set up >>> at the taxpayerrs expense and still are.The taxpayers pay the staff >>> wages and eveything else.We all still pay to register family >>> information.It's high time the whole shebang was free to everyone.I >>> don't mind paying for certs copies.Regards Brian. >>> >>> >>> Duncan Smith <d.smith.1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>> Robin wrote .... "However there is great concern about personation, >>> identity theft and money laundering ... >>> So the decision in Scotland that online BMD's indexes are restricted >>> is apparently to make it less easy for those with criminal intent to >>> get this information on living people .... >>> Personal visitors to the search rooms in Edinburgh will all be >>> identified so they can access all the indeces. >>> Curiously the English and Welsh BMD indexes are available online >>> almost up to the present." >>> >>> The fact that the English & Welsh indexes are available online right >>> up to >>> 2003 shows that it can be done. Any professional crook who wants to >>> 'steal' >>> other people's identity (although someone born 90 years ago seems to >>> me, to be rather an unlikely sort of target) is bound to be adept at >>> producing false identification, and will be just the sort of person >>> who will make the effort to go to Edinburgh to use the system at New >>> Register House. >>> >>> It is we poor researchers who can't all get to Edinburgh every day, >>> who thus suffer from these online restrictions, while any would be >>> crooks can happily exploit the anomalies in the system to their own >>> advantage. >>> >>> I don't believe that restricting access to the more recent online >>> records, inhibits the professional fraudsters in any way, but it does >>> spoil things for genuine researchers. >>> >>> Duncan, Dundee >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Send instant messages to your online friends >>> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >

Hello List Is there anyone researching the name McNIFF. I have a great aunt Mary McNiff, probably from the Cockpen area, who gave information on her mother's death in 1895. Her parents were Peter and Helen Duffy. Regards Jan Haggart