This is my second reply to Rosemary Meechan who wrote: > > My research interests in West Lothian are Christy and > O'Brien. The Christy(Christie) ancestors first show up > in the 1851 census. They came from County Leitrim. As you have not mentioned the parents of Hugh and his wives, I guess these may not yet be known to you. It is routine that for deaths in Scotland after 1855, the death entry has fairly comprehensive info which helps family research. You probably know that the IGI deals mostly with births/ marriages- deaths are pretty well ignored. Among the raft of useful facts in the Death register are the names of parents of the deceased incl mother's maiden surname. > My > O'Brien ancestor Hugh was found dead in mysterious > circumstances in his own house on the 1st October > 1873. His second wife inherited his money and > possessions although she does not seem to have > provided an explanation as to what she was doing that > particular night. Found dead on 1st Oct, but how long dead? It may not be certain on what date he died in which case the widow may have poor recall of the days prior to Oct 1. I often find it hard to recall what I did on the day-before-yesterday! > I still think his dastardly second wife "did > him in". Is this likely to have been reported in a > local newspaper or was the unexplained death of an > Irish labourer likely to have been of very little > interest? Unless journalists were very different in those days, I'd feel wary of trusting any details presented by a local newspaper. You may do well to read the post- mortem report. Cheers, ALISTAIR M. CAMERON http://quozl.netrek.org/cameron-research/ PO Box 215 BUNDANOON NSW 2578 AUSTRALIA

Sorry List and Administrator I inadvertently sent a draft reply just minutes ago to LIST with this discourteous unfinished para : --------------- You wrote: > My research interests in West Lothian are Christy and > O'Brien. The Christy(Christie) ancestors first show up > in the 1851 census. They came from County Leitrim. As you've not mentioned the four parents of the prior generation, I wondered why not? --------------------------- I'll send to list again shortly but with DUE CARE!! Cheers, ALISTAIR M. CAMERON

WELCOME New Subscriber!! You wrote: > My research interests in West Lothian are Christy and > O'Brien. The Christy(Christie) ancestors first show up > in the 1851 census. They came from County Leitrim. As you've not mentioned the four parents of the prior generation, I wondered why not? My > O'Brien ancestor Hugh was found dead in mysterious > circumstances in his own house on the 1st October > 1873. His second wife inherited his money and > possessions although she does not seem to have > provided an explanation as to what she was doing that > particular night. His son-in-law had to come halfway > across Scotland to find his body and report his death. > There was a post mortem and a report by the Procurator > Fiscal. I still think his dastardly second wife "did > him in". Is this likely to have been reported in a > local newspaper or was the unexplained death of an > Irish labourer likely to have been of very little > interest? > > Rosemary > > S'il te plait, monsieur, dessine-moi un mouton. > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Cheers, ALISTAIR M. CAMERON A.A.G.R.A. Professional Genealogist http://quozl.netrek.org/cameron-research/ PO Box 215 BUNDANOON NSW 2578 AUSTRALIA

My research interests in West Lothian are Christy and O'Brien. The Christy(Christie) ancestors first show up in the 1851 census. They came from County Leitrim. My O'Brien ancestor Hugh was found dead in mysterious circumstances in his own house on the 1st October 1873. His second wife inherited his money and possessions although she does not seem to have provided an explanation as to what she was doing that particular night. His son-in-law had to come halfway across Scotland to find his body and report his death. There was a post mortem and a report by the Procurator Fiscal. I still think his dastardly second wife "did him in". Is this likely to have been reported in a local newspaper or was the unexplained death of an Irish labourer likely to have been of very little interest? Rosemary S'il te plait, monsieur, dessine-moi un mouton. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi Alistair, I noticed that you mentioned that the IGI does not pay much attention to the death notices. Is there anywhere that we in the US can find death info (besides Scotland's People which I am still unable to access until I get this computer straightened out :) ? ) Any suggestions would be really appreciated. Thanks, gretchen Michigan USA

Hi, I'm not sure if this is feasible or not, cos I don't know if there is an index or not! Unfortunately I have no address. I'm looking for the following family in St. Giles: Robert UTTERSON Age abt 49 Occupation poss. Coach maker Jane UTTERSON age abt 56 George (Robert?) UTTERSON b Cheltenham, Glos Age abt 28 Lucy UTTERSON b Cheltenham, Glos Age abt 26 I have them in Cheltenham, Glos in 1841 & 1851 but no later. I think I've found the death records for all 4 on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - all in St. Giles. Any help would be appreciated. Regards Dale Utterson Derbyshire, UK Researching OUTERSON, OUTTERSON, UTERSON & UTTERSON. http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/u/t/t/Dale-Utterson/

Greetings to you all Although I have been researching my ancestors for a number of years, I have only recently subscribed to the Midlothian list. I am researching the following family in particular: Flint I have traced this particular family branch back to William Flint, stonemason, married in Closeburn, Dumfries (1780) and buried there (1832) age 84. (D.O.B. abt. 1748 – but where?) This is one of my brickwalls. Flint is not a common name in the Dumfries and Galloway area, earlier and most contemporary Flints seem to be based further north in the Lothians and Lanarkshire, so if anyone else on the Midlothian list is researching Flints I would be interested in sharing information. As William Flint was a stone mason I was wondering if his occupation might be a way through this brickwall (did I just write that!) Best wishes Pat Stanistreet Liverpool Also researching: FLINT - Dumfries, Kirkpatrick Durham; KIRKPATRICK – Cample/Closeburn; PORTEOUS – Ruthwell; BLACK – Tinwald/Durisdeer; DALZELL/DALZIEL – Tinwald; KERR – Dumfries, Old Cumnock; COPLAND/COUPLAND – Dumfries

Hello all: I have hit a road block in trying to find the birth of Cecilia Lindsay. Father James Gordon, (writer) mother Ann Gordon, (later Cowie). I have Cecilia's Marriage Record, but have not been able to locate through the IGI or Scotlandspeople her birth. I figure her birth to be around 1843. She was reportedly 20 yrs of age at the time of her marriage in District of Tradeston, Glasgow in 1863. Is there an SKS out there who may be able to take a few minutes to look her up for me. I have found a connection to the Gordon Family here in Canada and it would help both of us to see the information on her birth record. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Liz Dempster Southern Ontario Canada

On 10/4/05 7:20 pm, "roger kelly" <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> wrote: > From the Norfolk List: Or use this and go direct to the history data bases.. http://trials.galegroup.com/nlw2005/history.html Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

On 10/4/05 6:46 pm, "Kathleen Gregory" <gregory@giantcomm.net> wrote: > You get free access to Thomas Gale databases only. And one of those is the Times Digital Archive ... I have been on looking at pages at losses at sea ...trying to find James MILLER father of ggggrandmother James Anna MILLER You go through The home page and click on the free box Then select others and then select History Biography etc .. Meet the people, events and voices that have shaped today's world... and tomorrow's. (11 databases) One of those data bases is .. Times Digital Archive The Times (London) is perhaps the world's most respected and often-quoted newspaper ‹ with this archive, you can access every headline, article and image from 1785 to 1985 to put a true global perspective on your research. Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

the students in the school I work in have been getting in as well - this was too good a resource not to pass on to the teaching staff Liz >From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [MLN] The Times Digital Archive -free online this week >Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:52:45 -0500 > > SKS said the password = test, and I got in that way. > >Happy hunting, Sonia > >-----Original Message----- >From: Margaret [mailto:margaret@scottishwool.com] >Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:31 AM >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MLN] The Times Digital Archive -free online this week > >On 10/4/05 4:26 pm, "Liz Parkinson" <parkinsonliz@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > so was I Adrienne > > > > Liz > > > >> Subject: RE: [MLN] The Times Digital Archive -free online this week > >> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 08:11:03 -0700 > >> > >> Hello > >> Thanks for this information. But how do I get in? I was refused entry > >> to the Times site > >I entered as 'other ' not librarian and there was no request for password > >Robin > > >-- >Robin and Margaret McEwen-King >Lanark Scotland > > >

On 10/4/05 4:26 pm, "Liz Parkinson" <parkinsonliz@hotmail.com> wrote: > so was I Adrienne > > Liz > >> Subject: RE: [MLN] The Times Digital Archive -free online this week >> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 08:11:03 -0700 >> >> Hello >> Thanks for this information. But how do I get in? I was refused entry to >> the >> Times site I entered as 'other ' not librarian and there was no request for password Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

SKS said the password = test, and I got in that way. Happy hunting, Sonia -----Original Message----- From: Margaret [mailto:margaret@scottishwool.com] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:31 AM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] The Times Digital Archive -free online this week On 10/4/05 4:26 pm, "Liz Parkinson" <parkinsonliz@hotmail.com> wrote: > so was I Adrienne > > Liz > >> Subject: RE: [MLN] The Times Digital Archive -free online this week >> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 08:11:03 -0700 >> >> Hello >> Thanks for this information. But how do I get in? I was refused entry >> to the Times site I entered as 'other ' not librarian and there was no request for password Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

no you didnt but I havent = my Gunn people are actually Williamson, a sept of the clan Liz >From: "Gil & Sonia Murray" <happyman70@bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [MLN] OT - Tartan - Gunn >Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:23:09 -0500 > >Gunn? Liz, my mind is going - did I ask you earlier if you have any >connection with the Gunns who went to Georgia? > >All the best, >Sonia > >Snip> > >-----Original Message----- >From: Liz Parkinson [mailto:parkinsonliz@hotmail.com] >Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 4:28 PM >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MLN] OT - Tartan > >I am not convinced, that was why I asked - I have looked up Rothesay >Tartan,and there are various versions, including a Duke of Rothesay >version, >but none have as much blue and green as that one. Looks to me more like a >Gunn, which I know well as I wear it, but probably it isnt that one. The >tartan on Camillas collar is not the same as his kilt either, hers has a >broad white stripe and his doesnt > >Liz > >

I am not convinced, that was why I asked - I have looked up Rothesay Tartan,and there are various versions, including a Duke of Rothesay version, but none have as much blue and green as that one. Looks to me more like a Gunn, which I know well as I wear it, but probably it isnt that one. The tartan on Camillas collar is not the same as his kilt either, hers has a broad white stripe and his doesnt Liz >From: "Liz Telford" <liz.telford@btopenworld.com> >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MLN] OT - Tartan >Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:05:08 +0100 > >According to the news, it was the Rothesay tartan. I'm assuming they're >right! > >Regards, Liz T > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 07/04/2005 >

From the Norfolk List: This is the way in:- <http://infotrac.galegroup.com/itweb/webdemo> http://infotrac.galegroup.com/itweb/webdemo password = test Once you get in go to other databases and scroll down the list. Then click on Times digital archive. If you put a surname in the search it will come up with all mentions of that name. Mike

OK, I got it now. Thanks! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: roger kelly [mailto:roger.kelly1@virgin.net] Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:21 PM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] The Times Digital Archive -free online this week >From the Norfolk List: This is the way in:- <http://infotrac.galegroup.com/itweb/webdemo> http://infotrac.galegroup.com/itweb/webdemo password = test Once you get in go to other databases and scroll down the list. Then click on Times digital archive. If you put a surname in the search it will come up with all mentions of that name. Mike

It still didn't work for me. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: J D v Dods [mailto:dodsfreecen@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 2:31 PM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] The Times Digital Archive -free online this week Thanks Roger for the back door entry. The front door should be working, they advertised both the 18th Century and The Times as being free, so the front door should work for both!! Thanks again cheers John Wellington, NZ --- roger kelly <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> wrote: > From the Norfolk List: > > This is the way in:- > > <http://infotrac.galegroup.com/itweb/webdemo> > http://infotrac.galegroup.com/itweb/webdemo password > = test > > Once you get in go to other databases and scroll > down the list. Then click > on Times digital archive. If you put a surname in > the search it will come up > with all mentions of that name. > > Mike > > > Proud to be a transcriber for the freeCEN Project and volunteer for Random Acts of Geneological Kindness Ask me how you can contribute to either of these worthy projects or for other ways of helping our hobby. Researching BATTERS in Yorkshire BENNIE in Lanarkshire, Dunbartonshire & West Lothian BENNING in Lanarkshire & Montreal COLLINS in California & PA COOPER in Yorkshire DODS in East Lothian, Berwickshire, British Columbia, Montreal, Manchester, South Africa, Hong Kong, India DOUGLAS in Lanarkshire FENTON in Edinbugh FISHER in Yorkshire FORREST in South Africa HAYTON in Yorkshire HEWAT in East Lothian LAMONT in Lanarkshire LEGGAT in Monreal MCLEAN in Argyllshire RANKINE in Dunbartonshire, Perthshire SEYMOUR in British Columbia & Montreal SHIRREFF in East Lothian SNELL in California, Oregeon SUFFILL/SUFFIELD in Yorkshire TROTTER, Lanarkshire, Stirlingshire, West Lothian WATSON in Brantford & Barrie, Ontario. WEIR in Argyllshire,Lanarkshie WILLIAMSON in Edinburgh & North Berwick __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

Gunn? Liz, my mind is going - did I ask you earlier if you have any connection with the Gunns who went to Georgia? All the best, Sonia Snip> -----Original Message----- From: Liz Parkinson [mailto:parkinsonliz@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 4:28 PM To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MLN] OT - Tartan I am not convinced, that was why I asked - I have looked up Rothesay Tartan,and there are various versions, including a Duke of Rothesay version, but none have as much blue and green as that one. Looks to me more like a Gunn, which I know well as I wear it, but probably it isnt that one. The tartan on Camillas collar is not the same as his kilt either, hers has a broad white stripe and his doesnt Liz

JAMES ROBERTSON wrote: > > Hi Sonia, > > Don't know if there are name indexes which can be > purchased commercially for the 1851 Edinburgh census > but if I remember correctly when I was in New Register > House a couple of weeks ago they don't have one. There is a published index here in the NSW State Library. It was incomplete when the compiler died. NRH in 1998 had copies of AT LEAST the Old Town, New Town and Canongate parishes. If you want to discuss then you're welcome to email me directly. Cheers, ALISTAIR M. CAMERON A.A.G.R.A. Professional Genealogist http://quozl.netrek.org/cameron-research/ PO Box 215 BUNDANOON NSW 2578 AUSTRALIA