One of my Scottish lot, a young woman appears to have been in the same house as he parents, & also at what must have been the home of her employer. I read somewhere, that the Census taking, was over several days anyway, maybe my Gt grandmother forgot where she was several days before the census man called. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: <jabiru@ourbrisbane.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 1:21 PM Subject: [MLN] Census double-up > Has anyone else had the experience of one person mentioned twice (at different > addresses) in the same census? > I am fairly sure I have found two entries for the same person, Robert Rough aged > 15 and born in England, at two family addresses in the 1841 Edinburgh census. He > is recorded with his grandmother at "south back of Canongate" and also with his > uncle at 10 Catherine St. I have no reason to believe there were two boys both > named Robert the same age in that family. > Is this double entry at all common? > > Cheers > > Brian Rough > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > Get your free email at ourbrisbane.com now >

Hi Audrey What a lovely surprise. Andrew and Agnes were my husband's 3 x gr grandparents too! I'll contact you privately with details. It will be great to share. Best Wishes Lorna ----- Original Message ----- From: <AWood53321@aol.com> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [MLN] Re: Death Spares > Hi Lorna, > > I notice you have details of certificates for Andrew MURRAY & Agnes GOODALL > (1864 Temple and 1866 Borthwick), do you have any connection to this couple? > They were my 4x's great grandparents. I would be happy to share information. > > Regards > Audrey > > >

Looking for any information on a Margaret ROBERTSON born about 1820 in Lasswade who married John PENMAN in 1842. Could her parents be Samuel and Marian and did she have any siblings? Thanks in advance

Dear Alan, Thanks for your email, those websites were great finally I am in the right direction. Thanks again Leanne Dudley Alan Thom <shiral@efni.com> wrote: Haddington is in the County of East Lothian not Midlothian. It is a little like looking in Adelaide for someone who loved in Brisbane. As you give no Christian names or dates I would suggest the following sites: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/ This site allows you to search a specific parish (e.g., Haddington) for the Birth/Christening ("C") or the Marriage ("M") of someone with a specific surname. Searches are carried out with year ranges according to the Batch Number. For example the is an Isabella MacAdam married in Haddington in the period from 1820-1865. The record will give the Spouse's name and the date of the wedding. Follow the URL above. Click on Scotland and on the next screen select, East Lothian. On the next screen Select "H" or scroll down until you find Haddington. You will find a series of Batch Numbers for Christenings and Marriages. Each batch corresponds to a year range. Select the one you want and one the next screen type in the name MacAdam and start your search. This site has undergone sone changes lately and I find that it sometimes returns all the persons with the search name in Scotland on the first try. Go back to the Batch Number page and try again. http://www.familysearch.org/ This site covers the same material as the one above but is organized differently. It is searchable in a number of ways and it is possible to leave sections blank. Go to the URL and select SEARCH. On the next screen select INTERNATIONAL GENEALOGICAL INDEX. On the next screen enter your information a start a search. In tracing ancestors in Scotland keep in mind that names often followed a naming pattern. That might allow you to trace back further. You can also ask on the East Lothian site for a Census look-ups as well for the period from 1851 - 1881. Hope this helps you get started. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leanne Dudley" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:40 AM Subject: [MLN] New Member Interests-Macadam, Dunlop > Hi Everyone, > > I am new to this list, and would like to post my interests > > Macadam - Haddington Scotland > Dunlop > > I would love to hear from anyone researching these names, > > Kind Regards > > Leanne Dudlley > > > > --------------------------------- > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > > > --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

Dear Alan, Thanks for your email, those websites were great finally I am in the right direction. Thanks again Leanne Dudley Alan Thom <shiral@efni.com> wrote: Haddington is in the County of East Lothian not Midlothian. It is a little like looking in Adelaide for someone who loved in Brisbane. As you give no Christian names or dates I would suggest the following sites: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/ This site allows you to search a specific parish (e.g., Haddington) for the Birth/Christening ("C") or the Marriage ("M") of someone with a specific surname. Searches are carried out with year ranges according to the Batch Number. For example the is an Isabella MacAdam married in Haddington in the period from 1820-1865. The record will give the Spouse's name and the date of the wedding. Follow the URL above. Click on Scotland and on the next screen select, East Lothian. On the next screen Select "H" or scroll down until you find Haddington. You will find a series of Batch Numbers for Christenings and Marriages. Each batch corresponds to a year range. Select the one you want and one the next screen type in the name MacAdam and start your search. This site has undergone sone changes lately and I find that it sometimes returns all the persons with the search name in Scotland on the first try. Go back to the Batch Number page and try again. http://www.familysearch.org/ This site covers the same material as the one above but is organized differently. It is searchable in a number of ways and it is possible to leave sections blank. Go to the URL and select SEARCH. On the next screen select INTERNATIONAL GENEALOGICAL INDEX. On the next screen enter your information a start a search. In tracing ancestors in Scotland keep in mind that names often followed a naming pattern. That might allow you to trace back further. You can also ask on the East Lothian site for a Census look-ups as well for the period from 1851 - 1881. Hope this helps you get started. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leanne Dudley" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:40 AM Subject: [MLN] New Member Interests-Macadam, Dunlop > Hi Everyone, > > I am new to this list, and would like to post my interests > > Macadam - Haddington Scotland > Dunlop > > I would love to hear from anyone researching these names, > > Kind Regards > > Leanne Dudlley > > > > --------------------------------- > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > > > Leanne Dudley Melbourne Australia Researching Benton-Bloxwich Instone-Walsall Donlon-Walsall Field-Tipton, Walsall Gaunt-Walsall Smith-Bloxwich-Walsall Law-Bloxwich Latham-Bloxwich Hawkins-Bloxwich Degville-Walsall --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

Hello Daryl The details on John STEVENSON's death certificate are as follows: District of St Giles, Edinburgh John STEVENSON Plumber Single Died 12 Sep 1907 3pm Infirmary Edinburgh (usual residence) 21 Iona Street M 29 yrs Father: Alexander STEVENSON Plumber (deceased) Mother: Maria STEVENSON m.s. STANBURY (deceased) Cause: Aortic Stenosis and Mitral Incompetence 2 months as certified by H D Robb MD Informant: Wm Stevenson, brother (present) Registered: 13 Sep 1907 at Edinburgh Signed: James Lamond Asst Registrar Best Wishes Lorna Wallace Glasgow

Brian wrote: > > Has anyone else had the experience of one person mentioned twice (at different > addresses) in the same census? I have. My great grandpa when a bachelor James Thornhill was listed both in Shipley, DBY and Sheffield WRY and he definitely lived at both towns and moved residence in census year. We figured that the landlord or rellies at the one address gave his details and so did his kin at the other address. > I am fairly sure I have found two entries for the same person, Robert Rough aged > 15 and born in England, at two family addresses in the 1841 Edinburgh census. He > is recorded with his grandmother at "south back of Canongate" and also with his > uncle at 10 Catherine St. I have no reason to believe there were two boys both > named Robert the same age in that family. > Is this double entry at all common? Not common but it did happen. Note that in 1841 the census makes NO ref to relationships. Those two boys with same name may have been cousins, or one was an unrelated boarder. Feel sorry for me. My ggg grandparents who married 1798 named three sons as Duncan Cameron. We have baptism dates but no birth dates. Cheers, ALISTAIR M. CAMERON http://quozl.netrek.org/cameron-research/ PO Box 215 BUNDANOON NSW 2578 AUSTRALIA

Hi Ken.Use the link,scroll down page and find Grange.It comes under Edinburgh Council. Kind Regards,Brian in Scotland. http://a2z.edinburgh.gov.uk/displayEntry.jsp?txtTitleID=4627 At Wednesday 20/04/2005 12:00, you wrote: >Hi: >Does anyone know how I can get information on Grange Cemetery in Edinburgh? >I have a few ancestors buried there and would like to get the burial >information. > >Many Thanks. > >Ken in USA

Hello, Thought I would send this as it may have some relevance if only because of the link with William's occupation and address - perhaps he was related to James? Ref. 685/3 Entry 45 Canongate 1901 - Marriage 8th March at 3 St. John Street (?) Edinburgh after Banns according to the forms of the Church of Scotland. Signed Jane FORSYTH, paper mill worker, spinster, aged 18, 146 Canongate, Signed Edward Syme, bachelor, brass finisher, aged 32. Same address. His parents were Alexander Syme, cork cutter and Elizabeth Galbraith both deceased. Her parents were William Forsyth, Baker Journeyman and Margaret McGann or McGunn, deceased, witnesses were Robert Peter -? and Janet Dickson Ref. 685/3 Entry 50 Canongate. Birth 24th December 1882 - Jane FORSYTH. father William Forsyth, Baker Journeyman, mother Margaret McGINN married 13th August, 1880 at Edinburgh. Margaret Forsyth, her mark. Born at 6h, 30 m. p.m. at 215 Canongate (Shoemaker Close) I also have notes on a birth at Craiglockhart Poorhouse in 1896 of a Jane FORSYTH and another Jane Walpole Forsyth being born in Canongate to a Wm. Forsyth (Tailor) and his wife Janet Dykes if anyone wishes the infor. Also a Robert FORSYTH, a commercial bank agent, some notes on him too and his wife,Jane Wright. These folk are not mine, I just noticed the posting and remembered I had some FORSYTH notes from a little bit of research I did for a researcher in Australia. They turned out not to be hers. Best wishes, Eileen in Hampshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorna Wallace" <sales@ashworthandcompanyltd.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 12:14 PM Subject: [MLN] Re: Death Spares > Hello Alice > > Here are the details on Mary FORSYTH's death certificate. > > District of Canongate Burgh of Edinburgh > Mary FORSYTH Widow of James FORSYTH Baker > died 5 Jan 1893 at 7am - 2 Morrison's Close, High Street, Edinburgh > F 52 years > Father: John CHALMERS Labourer (deceased) > Mother: Christina CHALMERS m.s. MATHESON (deceased) > Cause: Bronchitis - no qualified medical attendant > Informant: Selina S FORSYTH daughter (present) > Registered on 5th January at Edinburgh > John J Eckford, Asst Registrar > > Best Wishes > Lorna Wallace >

Hello Alice Here are the details on Mary FORSYTH's death certificate. District of Canongate Burgh of Edinburgh Mary FORSYTH Widow of James FORSYTH Baker died 5 Jan 1893 at 7am - 2 Morrison's Close, High Street, Edinburgh F 52 years Father: John CHALMERS Labourer (deceased) Mother: Christina CHALMERS m.s. MATHESON (deceased) Cause: Bronchitis - no qualified medical attendant Informant: Selina S FORSYTH daughter (present) Registered on 5th January at Edinburgh John J Eckford, Asst Registrar Best Wishes Lorna Wallace

Hi Lorna, I notice you have details of certificates for Andrew MURRAY & Agnes GOODALL (1864 Temple and 1866 Borthwick), do you have any connection to this couple? They were my 4x's great grandparents. I would be happy to share information. Regards Audrey

Has anyone else had the experience of one person mentioned twice (at different addresses) in the same census? I am fairly sure I have found two entries for the same person, Robert Rough aged 15 and born in England, at two family addresses in the 1841 Edinburgh census. He is recorded with his grandmother at "south back of Canongate" and also with his uncle at 10 Catherine St. I have no reason to believe there were two boys both named Robert the same age in that family. Is this double entry at all common? Cheers Brian Rough ------------------------------------------- Get your free email at ourbrisbane.com now

What a clever idea. I've often wished there was some way of publishing our spare death certificates and what better way than on this list. Hopefully some of these may be of use to someone too. 1864 Temple Agnes GOODALL married Andrew MURRAY dau of Alexander GOODALL & Agnes TURNER Ann ROBERTSON dau of Charles ROBERTSON & Margaret DAVIDSON Alexander RITCHIE son of Alex RITCHIE & Agnes HILL 1918 Glencorse Agnes Livingstone WEBSTER dau Thomas WEBSTER & Elizabeth LIVINGSTONE John MILLER married to Helen CRANSTON son of Joseph MILLER and Margaret MURRAY Marion BENSON widow of Francis BENSON dau of David KIDD and Marion ERSKINE 1894 South Leith Alison Wallace REID dau William REID & Isabell RICE Agnes WILSON dau Archibald WILSON & Agnes UNKNOWN (Teacher age 76) Informant: James LAING, nephew-in-law UNKNOWN supposed Labourer or Marine ? age 46 to 50 Cause of death: Drowning - Informant: Inspector of Police 1871 Borthwick Agnes PEARSON dau Thomas WILSON & Agnes DALGLISH Informant: Thomas PEARSON Widower James PEARSON son Thomas PEARSON & Agnes WILSON Marion HERRIOT dau Peter HERRIOT & Euphemia DARLING 1954 East Calder Alexander WEBSTER married to Mary Walker Wood ROGERS son of Ronald WEBSTER & Agnes ROGERS John Cowper WALLACE son Alexander Smith WALLACE and Georgina Blaikie COWPER Mary TRIPNEY dau John TRIPNEY & Jemima (or Jessie) MILLER 1892 Canongate, Edinburgh Alexander WILSON married to 1) Isabella LENNOX 2) Jane BUCHAN son of John WILSON & Margaret PENDREIGH Mary Ann BRESLIN dau of John BRESLIN & Mary formerly SMITH m.s. BROWN Mary FORSYTH widow of James FORSYTH dau John CHALMERS & Christina MATHESON 1866 Borthwick Andrew MURRAY Widower of Agnes GOODALL son William MURRAY & Margaret UNKNOWN Helen GARDENER dau James GARDENER & Elisabeth GILLAN John CLERK married to Margaret CLARK son John CLERK & Margaret UNKNOWN 1949 - Morningside, Edinburgh Barbara MACKAY widow of Adam MACKAY dau Alexander REID & Barbara HENRY David CHOSENWOOD widow of Alison Thomson EDDINGTON son of Isabella CHOSENWOOD Donald Paterson MCHARDY son of Archibald MCHARDY & Ann THOMSON 1919 St Giles Edinburgh Isabella BAXTER dau Robert BAXTER & Catherine Hogg SMITH John Craik TAIT married to Mary Ann TRACEY dau of Robert TAIT & Elizabeth CRAIK Caroline Proctor POTTER dau Alexander POTTER & Elizabeth BALLANTINE 1907 St Giles Edinburgh Catherine STRATHIE dau George STRATHIE & Christina WEBSTER Helen MCGEORGE dau James MCGEORGE & Eliza Jackson SHANKS John STEVENSON son Alexander STEVENSON & Maria STANBURY 1943 St Andrew Edinburgh Helen WOOD dau Joseph WOOD & Gelen McGregor MCNEE Janette CURRIE dau of Mary McClure SMEATON or CURRIE wife of Alexander CURRIE Charles Lennox Leitch WILSON married to 1) Annie CONNOR 2) Elizabeth CLARK son Robert WILSON & Catherine WILSON afterwards YOUNG m.s. LEITCH 1911 Kirknewton & East Calder John LAIDLAW son John LAIDLAW & Mary LOTHIAN Christina FORREST Widow of Alexander FORREST age 76 Parents: Unknown - Informant: Alexander FORREST son Wilkieston Charlotte MCRINER married to Henry MCRINER dau of Thomas CLARKSON & Isabella WEBSTER 1868 St Andrew EDINBURGH Jessie SLATER married to James SLATER dau James PATERSON & Eliza ROBERTSON Ruth JOHNSTON age 1 dau Thomas JOHNSTON & Elizabeth MCGEORGE Charlotte WEBSTER dau David WEBSTER & Christina POTTER More later. Lorna Wallace Glasgow

The other day a list member posted a PORTEOUS name as a name of interest to them. My wifes cousin Grant PORTEOUS living in Manchester, England, is from Scotland. I wrote to ask him if had any information about his family and the following is his reply to me. Perhaps this is of interest to this List member, If so please contact me and I will pass you on to Grant. Mike Morris Toronto Canada > Hi Mike, > In answer to your Q.Allthough I have done quite a bit of research on my > family tree; as yet I have not found that any of my ancestors lived in > Edinburgh.The name is fairly common in the lowlands around the Clyde belt > and border region including Edinburgh. As you know research into your > family tree is never ending.I've managed to go back to James b 1763 > Dumfrieshire, it is listed in his register of death. And it states his > occupation as Blacksmith. This seems to be the main occupation in the family > through the subsequent generations. My gt Grandfather William was the > last Blacksmith in my direct decendants. If you ever come accross any > Porteous'es who have had Blacksmiths in their family line; then I would be > interested. Thanks. Grant. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 4/19/05

Hi: Does anyone know how I can get information on Grange Cemetery in Edinburgh? I have a few ancestors buried there and would like to get the burial information. Many Thanks. Ken in USA

Hello Lorna, May I please have details of the following death? Thank you. -- Alice Mary FORSYTH widow of James FORSYTH dau John CHALMERS & Christina MATHESON

On 14 Sept 1832, Cunningham Sheppard (a "traveling equipment manufacturer") married Janet Law. On 14 April 1833, Cunningham Sheppard and Janet Law had a son born---also named Cunningham. Both records are located in the St. Cuthberts Parish OPRs. These are the only records I've been able to locate concerning the husband/father. The mother married Alexander Meek in 1839 and James McDonald in 1872 before she died in 1882. Most of her life was spent in the Edinburgh area and she lived on Parish relief per the 1851 census. The first husband seems to have disappeared and I'm wondering if there is some way to determine if he left the country as a seaman, etc. Also, the "Camillus" departed Greenock and arrived in NY on 8 May 1834. Included on the passenger list were Janet Shephard (22) and Cunningham Shephard (1). There were no other known family members/friends on this passenger list. Is there any way to learn more about the woman and child that made this voyage? If this is the same woman that married Alexander Meek, she and her child returned to Scotland prior to 1839. Is there any way to learn when a return voyage might have been made? Thanks for any advice! Sandy Ellis

it isnt uncommon - they are entered at the place they live, even though they were away visiting on census night. you are actually only supposed to enter the people who slept in your house on census night, not the people who live there - but people didnt always get it right, especially early on in censuses LIz >From: jabiru@ourbrisbane.com >Reply-To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MLN] Census double-up >Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:21:14 +1000 > >Has anyone else had the experience of one person mentioned twice (at >different >addresses) in the same census? >I am fairly sure I have found two entries for the same person, Robert Rough >aged >15 and born in England, at two family addresses in the 1841 Edinburgh >census. He >is recorded with his grandmother at "south back of Canongate" and also with >his >uncle at 10 Catherine St. I have no reason to believe there were two boys >both >named Robert the same age in that family. >Is this double entry at all common? > >Cheers > >Brian Rough > > > > >------------------------------------------- >Get your free email at ourbrisbane.com now >

Marjorie, Could you please send me the information on the following: > > deaths > West Calder > Margaret Calder, d/o William Russell and Janet Calder, 1882 > > Many thanks to you! > Regard, > > Theresa Baxter nee King

Hi, I hope someone can benefit from the number of wrong spares I have acquired recently:- Deaths:- 1870 Borthwick Margaret Ann Herriot aged 3 John Robertson aged 60 Allison Clark aged 7 1878 Liberton William Borthwick aged 86 Walter Christie aged 13 1/2 hours Janet Robertson aged 77 (mine!) 1878 Colinton John Robertson aged 81 Janet McKinnon aged 88 Helen Clydesdale aged 63 1891 Canongate Jane Nolan aged 40 Thomas Butler aged 6 Duncan Robertson aged 55 (mine!) 1894 St George Walter McLaren aged 2 Ella Isabella Ogilivie aged 13 days John Robertson aged 35 1949 Penicuik John Scott aged 67 Mary McRobbie aged 75 Please let me know if you would like more details. Best Wishes Karen