Hello Fionnghal, When I originally posted my family tree on "World Connect," I used Chapman Codes to identify countries and states/counties/provinces of origin. Later, when showing someone how this free site worked, I discovered, to my chagrin, that their search engine would not merge full or part name nor Chapman codes searches for any locale. Thus, you had to individually search each potential derivation of every location. I have made several suggestions to improve their searches, yet even today, you need to search all potential derivations of a location name. (ie Scotland, SCT, Midlothian, MLN, Linlithgow would require separate searches.) Took me a while, but subsequently I changed my database locations to the full names. I am also a Rootsweb list administrator for my BLANK surname. We archive all postings. Thus, I'm continually educating new list members on improving the search ability of their posting. Chapman Codes and dates in the subject line really helps differentiating which full postings to view . Nonetheless, all of life can be fun, especially when you make it so! Ron

Yes, the Chapman Codes are extremely helpful, and i've used them for UK counties for a long time. However, within my own tree, and not for use in communication, i prefer the whole name of a country or my own abbr. at risk of going off-topic for this list, I'd never use the abbr's suggested by the Chapman Codes for UK's small islands except IOM & IOW. The are misleading to say the least. Lewis is in INV or ROC depending on the era but if you follow the Chapman code system it suggests that the above abbr is an acceptable substitutes for the island name because that is bhow their list works. It isn't. Lewis is/was part of INV/ROC, S. Uist is in INV &c. The Islands should never be listed using the code alone, always NAME + Co. CODE. anyway, yes the codes can be helpful. le durachd fionnghal ___________________________________________________________ Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/

Not posted for a while. Just wondering if there are any more HEATHERILL descendants out there? My James born 1835, married to Mary MONTEATH. Thanks, Maggie Help promote travel the way your ancestors travelled: http://www.thepeoples50million.org.uk/projects/connect2 </HTML>

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Blank" Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Cdn > As a Canadian, who served with the our Military in Europe in the 70's and > again in the 80's. Our 1983 Licence Plate was white with red outer > border, > numbers and letters, "LY44," which we managed to keep as memento. We > remember our 1971 plate as black on white. Above the licence number was > "CANADA," flanked on both sides with a red maple leaf. We were also > required to place a 10 centimetre wide, white oval sticker, with black > oval > outline, and black lettering with "CDN" on the rear of our vehicle. > > I believe this to be the origin of the term "CDN." > > The CHAPMAN CODEs are internationally recognized short forms > (abbreviations) > for Counties for the British Isles, and also the Country Codes and their > Provinces/States, normally used in family history / genealogy. See > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsgfhs/ChapmanCodes.htm#Countries Thus, Canada > is > identified as CAN. > > Our military plate allowed us unfettered crossing to all NATO countries. > (Remember: that was BRD (Bundesrepublic Deutschland, West Germany) > ((versus > the current combined DEU) FRA, HOL, BEL, LUX, ITA, ESP, MCO, PRT, MIL, > GRC, > etc. > > To avoid potential confusion with 2-character ISO Country Codes codes for > Canadian provinces should always be followed by "CAN" Another convention > in > genealogy documents is that we capitalize surnames. Like you Ron, I'm also ex-military ... Royal Canadian Navy actually (pre-unification). I don't remember using CDN back then. CAN does seem really familar when thinking along RCN usage; I worked on alot of NATO/Commonwealth 'stuff', as an RP at the Warfare School in Stadacona. My father was RCN, PPCLI-2 & RCASC, covering years 1939 to 1970. Brother-in-law 1968 -1998, RC Sigs. Son 1986 - 2003, RCNVR, RCAF & RC Sigs (Rwanda, Bosnia & Kosovar). Seems to me, CDN wasn't used in Canada when my b/i/l was in Germany & Holland c'78-81, although when they returned with their (civy) car, it did have a black & white CDN sticker on it. I remember various family members commenting on it, as none of us had seen one (sticker) like it before. My understanding of the Chapman Code was to 'standardize' abreviations for countries, so there was no mistake on which was meant, though I could be wrong. There were many country name changes during the 60s & 70s, with countries and/or regions being divided up, so everyone was confused on what the abreviations were. I find many people still don't know anything about the code or cannot tell which country is meant with some. Personally, I still use CAN within Canada, or write it out in full, when sending overseas. No errors then! [My mother and my husband are both ex-RN.] Toni ~ Ontario

----- Original Message ----- From: "Fionnghal" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 4:31 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Cdn >i think it's the 'n' on the end that threw us :-) > thanks. I, for one, never new that. i've always used > 'Ca' in my abbreviations. To us in Canada, Ca. or CA 'says' California USA. Years ago, we use to put Can. or CAN. for Canada, but this has been changed to CDN. Toni ~ Ontario Canada.

Hello Listers, As a Canadian, who served with the our Military in Europe in the 70's and again in the 80's. Our 1983 Licence Plate was white with red outer border, numbers and letters, "LY44," which we managed to keep as memento. We remember our 1971 plate as black on white. Above the licence number was "CANADA," flanked on both sides with a red maple leaf. We were also required to place a 10 centimetre wide, white oval sticker, with black oval outline, and black lettering with "CDN" on the rear of our vehicle. I believe this to be the origin of the term "CDN." The CHAPMAN CODEs are internationally recognized short forms (abbreviations) for Counties for the British Isles, and also the Country Codes and their Provinces/States, normally used in family history / genealogy. See http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsgfhs/ChapmanCodes.htm#Countries Thus, Canada is identified as CAN. Our military plate allowed us unfettered crossing to all NATO countries. (Remember: that was BRD (Bundesrepublic Deutschland, West Germany) ((versus the current combined DEU) FRA, HOL, BEL, LUX, ITA, ESP, MCO, PRT, MIL, GRC, etc. To avoid potential confusion with 2-character ISO Country Codes codes for Canadian provinces should always be followed by "CAN" Another convention in genealogy documents is that we capitalize surnames. Ron BLANK, Nanaimo, BC, CAN

i think it's the 'n' on the end that threw us :-) thanks. I, for one, never new that. i've always used 'Ca' in my abbreviations. :-) > Cdn = CDN which is the international auto identifier > for Canada. ___________________________________________________________ Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/

Hi, I think that my Janet KETCHEN was born 9th October1801 in Borthwick, Midlothian. Parents - James KETCHEN and Janet SIMPSON, and siblings Margaret KETCHEN, born 12th September 1803 in Borthwick, Midlothian, and Adam KETCHEN, christened 1st November 1807 in Crichton, Midlothian? Janet KETCHEN married James AITKEN c. 1828 and they lived at Dean Park, Edinburgh. They had six children that I know of - Janet, Samuel, James, Thomas, Adam and Mary. Thomas was my gggrandfather. I think that James (Snr) must have died because there is no trace of him by 1851, by which time Janet is a 'Grocer' living at 44 Home Street, Edinburgh, along with her children. Sorry, but I'm not aware of any TWEEDIEs in the family. Best wishes, Cyndy> From: [email protected]> Subject: MIDLOTHIAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 288> To: [email protected]> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 01:00:25 -0700> > > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Re KETCHEN/ KITCHEN , (Marilyn)> 2. DAVIDSON/DUNCAN (Kevin and Jan Newcombe)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:40:50 -0500> From: "Marilyn" <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Re KETCHEN/ KITCHEN ,> To: <[email protected]>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"> > Do you gals connect with Cumming in those names? I have:> > Allison Richie b. Jan 4, 1694 St. Cuthberts, Midlot., to William & Margaret> Lather Richie; m. Oct. 11, 1719 Edinburg Parish, Edinburg to Robert CUMMING> > Agnes TWEEDIE/TWEEDY b. Dec. 6, 1672 Newbattle, Midlt. to John & Agnes Kyll> Twedy/Kweedie; m. James Collier/Colyier m. Dec 11, 1694 Dalkeith, Midlot .> > Agnes KEITCHEN m. Oct. 6, 1727 to David Moffat, Dalkeith, Midlot.> > Cumming and Wilson connect up with these names later.> Thanks> Marilyn - Fla.> > > -----Original Message-----> From: [email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janet Miller> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:03 PM> To: [email protected]> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Re KETCHEN/ KITCHEN ,> > Hi Cyndy> I see you have KITCHEN/ KETCHEN in your research, are you related to > NICKY YOUNG of Melbourne and the TWEEDIES.> I have masses of KITCHENS, KETCHENS and very distantly related to Nicky > Young as one of mine married a Tweedie.> I also have RITCHIE.> Would love to hear from you and a little of your line. Maybe we connect > somewhere ?> > Cheers Janet> New Zealand> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the> quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.11/1161 - Release Date: 11/30/2007> 12:12 PM> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1164 - Release Date: 12/2/2007> 11:30 AM> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:03:39 +1300> From: Kevin and Jan Newcombe <[email protected]>> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] DAVIDSON/DUNCAN> To: Midlothian List <[email protected]>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Dear List> > Another try. Has anybody any information to share about the DAVIDSON/DUNCAN families.> > Gardner Davidson (collier) and Charlotte Duncan both of Penston in this parish gave up their names for proclamation in order to marriage on the 4th June 1836 and having been three several times proclaimed and no objections offered were married. > > I would dearly love to know of the family of Charlotte DUNCAN. I do know that the father of Gardner DAVIDSON was John, and he married Martha McINTOSH on 17 April 1813 in Edinburgh then again in Cockpen on 10 October 1813. > > Also any children that John Davidson had, or in other words siblings of Gardner Davidson.> > Thanks and best wishes> > Jan > > > > ------------------------------> > To contact the MIDLOTHIAN list administrator, send an email to> [email protected]> > To post a message to the MIDLOTHIAN mailing list, send an email to [email protected]> > __________________________________________________________> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the> email with no additional text.> > > End of MIDLOTHIAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 288> ****************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_112007

Cdn = CDN which is the international auto identifier for Canada. Whenever one is driving outside Canada or the USA a decal with the identification of the country the car is registered in must be shown on rear end of the car. (or truck) USA = USofA, CDN = Canada, F=France, D=Germany etc. etc Yes I am Canadian Bob Cdn. ================================ [email protected] wrote: > Jan, > I always thought that Bob was a Canadian! I could be wrong though! > > >

Thank you Bob Charlotte wasn't a popular name in that area at all, so either her name was something else or she was not from that area. She was a very "proper" woman. Kept everyone on their toes. The place name "Rutherglen" could be relevant. I must say though that I've tried everything I can think of for some years now. By the way, where is Cdn? Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "hiflyte" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] DAVIDSON/DUNCAN The following data can be viewed in the film numbers listed at the end of the record. These are OPR records Could not find Charlotte but there are a mulitude of enteries for Duncan births MLN 1815 ± 5yrs these can be viewed at your local FHC I have no connection or additional data on this surname................................ Hope the following helps Bob Cdn -------------------------------- DAVIDSON, John Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 13 Jun 1837 Christening Date: 15 Jul 1837 Recorded in: Crichton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Gardiner DAVIDSON Mother: Charlotte DUNCAN Source: FHL Film 1066677 Dates: 1689 - 1855 ------------------------------------- DAVIDSON, Elisabeth Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 1 Apr 1839 Christening Date: 10 Apr 1839 Recorded in: Crichton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Gardner DAVIDSON Mother: Charlotte DUNCAN Source: FHL Film 1066677 Dates: 1689 - 1855 ---------------------------------------- DAVIDSON, John Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 16 Jul 1814 Christening Date: 21 Aug 1814 Recorded in: Lasswade, Midlothian, Scotland Father: John DAVIDSON Mother: Martha MCINTOSH Source: FHL Film 1067764 Dates: 1801 - 1854 ---------------------------------------------- ======================================== Kevin and Jan Newcombe wrote: <SNIP> > ...Gardner Davidson (collier) and Charlotte Duncan both of Penston.. > marriage on the 4th June 1836... > ===================================== ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jan, I always thought that Bob was a Canadian! I could be wrong though! Lorraine Our long-term girlfriends form our safety net, the ones who know our histories, our secrets, our travails, and our successes. MADE IN THE USA **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

Dear List Another try. Has anybody any information to share about the DAVIDSON/DUNCAN families. Gardner Davidson (collier) and Charlotte Duncan both of Penston in this parish gave up their names for proclamation in order to marriage on the 4th June 1836 and having been three several times proclaimed and no objections offered were married. I would dearly love to know of the family of Charlotte DUNCAN. I do know that the father of Gardner DAVIDSON was John, and he married Martha McINTOSH on 17 April 1813 in Edinburgh then again in Cockpen on 10 October 1813. Also any children that John Davidson had, or in other words siblings of Gardner Davidson. Thanks and best wishes Jan

The following data can be viewed in the film numbers listed at the end of the record. These are OPR records Could not find Charlotte but there are a mulitude of enteries for Duncan births MLN 1815 ± 5yrs these can be viewed at your local FHC I have no connection or additional data on this surname................................ Hope the following helps Bob Cdn -------------------------------- DAVIDSON, John Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 13 Jun 1837 Christening Date: 15 Jul 1837 Recorded in: Crichton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Gardiner DAVIDSON Mother: Charlotte DUNCAN Source: FHL Film 1066677 Dates: 1689 - 1855 ------------------------------------- DAVIDSON, Elisabeth Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 1 Apr 1839 Christening Date: 10 Apr 1839 Recorded in: Crichton, Midlothian, Scotland Father: Gardner DAVIDSON Mother: Charlotte DUNCAN Source: FHL Film 1066677 Dates: 1689 - 1855 ---------------------------------------- DAVIDSON, John Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 16 Jul 1814 Christening Date: 21 Aug 1814 Recorded in: Lasswade, Midlothian, Scotland Father: John DAVIDSON Mother: Martha MCINTOSH Source: FHL Film 1067764 Dates: 1801 - 1854 ---------------------------------------------- ======================================== Kevin and Jan Newcombe wrote: <SNIP> > ...Gardner Davidson (collier) and Charlotte Duncan both of Penston.. marriage on the 4th June 1836... > =====================================

Do you gals connect with Cumming in those names? I have: Allison Richie b. Jan 4, 1694 St. Cuthberts, Midlot., to William & Margaret Lather Richie; m. Oct. 11, 1719 Edinburg Parish, Edinburg to Robert CUMMING Agnes TWEEDIE/TWEEDY b. Dec. 6, 1672 Newbattle, Midlt. to John & Agnes Kyll Twedy/Kweedie; m. James Collier/Colyier m. Dec 11, 1694 Dalkeith, Midlot . Agnes KEITCHEN m. Oct. 6, 1727 to David Moffat, Dalkeith, Midlot. Cumming and Wilson connect up with these names later. Thanks Marilyn - Fla. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janet Miller Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Re KETCHEN/ KITCHEN , Hi Cyndy I see you have KITCHEN/ KETCHEN in your research, are you related to NICKY YOUNG of Melbourne and the TWEEDIES. I have masses of KITCHENS, KETCHENS and very distantly related to Nicky Young as one of mine married a Tweedie. I also have RITCHIE. Would love to hear from you and a little of your line. Maybe we connect somewhere ? Cheers Janet New Zealand ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.11/1161 - Release Date: 11/30/2007 12:12 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1164 - Release Date: 12/2/2007 11:30 AM

Hi Cyndy I see you have KITCHEN/ KETCHEN in your research, are you related to NICKY YOUNG of Melbourne and the TWEEDIES. I have masses of KITCHENS, KETCHENS and very distantly related to Nicky Young as one of mine married a Tweedie. I also have RITCHIE. Would love to hear from you and a little of your line. Maybe we connect somewhere ? Cheers Janet New Zealand

Thanks indeed Jane for the http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ site. It was a treasure trove for me. I found some really fascinating bits of family history which filled in a number of blanks. Regards Judith

Hi, Would anyone have easy access to a directory that would show who was living at 8 North Lorimer Place, Cockenzie in 1919? My gggrandfather AITKEN died there although his usual residence was in Mountpelier Park, Edinburgh. Just wondering whether he was staying with a relative? having a holiday? or...? Thanks in advance, Cyndy Researching Edinburgh ancestors - AITKEN HOGGAN IMRIE KITCHEN/KETCHEN MCEWAN MELLIS MURRAY RITCHIE ROSS RUSSELL VEITCH _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_102007

Jane, Do you have any objections to my posting this to the Cumberland list? Thank you for the link, it's been really useful. Regards, Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kelly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:21 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Gazettes- online > Dear Listers, > > I found http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ very useful. You can search > the archives of the Edinburgh, London and Belfast Gazettes. Public > official records mostly from the past 350 years but we even learned, by > chance, the date when a great aunt began working as a typist for the Civil > Service. > > Best Wishes, > > Jane

Dear Listers, I found http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ very useful. You can search the archives of the Edinburgh, London and Belfast Gazettes. Public official records mostly from the past 350 years but we even learned, by chance, the date when a great aunt began working as a typist for the Civil Service. Best Wishes, Jane

In a message dated 11/29/2007 8:23:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ Thanks, Jane! Only 1 hit so far, but it appears to be a second cousin once removed that I didn't know existed. Thank heavens for an uncommon surname like Pollands. Back to searching. Irene, in Michigan **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)