Posting my interests. Balfour of Braidwood, John Dixon, draper and hosier, Edinburgh. Kirk family. Ian Hearder

Hi Everyone I am trying to trace the EMERY & NETHERY Families, who might have originally lived at either NIDDRY, or NITHSDALE, in Midlothian, prior to their migration to Co Tyrone, in NIR, which was allocated to Scots during the Ulster Plantation. Its seems that Niddry, the Wauchope Estate, is the most likely because later documents often held NIDDRY as the surname of the NETHERYS ie originally a locative byname probably of tenant farmers. The EMERY byname/surname could have been a variant of Amery, Demery, Imrey, Memry, Lemery, Ymrey, or other similar sounding names. I have no idea where the EMERY Family lived but, because of their close connection with the NETHERYS, can only presume they also lived at NIDDRY or, if not, perhaps NITHSDALE. Apparently, the EMERY and NETHERY Families were not Border Reivers but, as they settled amongst BRs at Drumquin, Longfield East, Co Tyrone, NIR, they must have had some connection with the BRs back in Scotland. They also married BRs, who included the Irvines, Johnstons, Armstrongs, Greys, Wilsons, Chitticks, Maxwells, Grahams, etc, in both NIR and again in Australia, to where hundreds of descendants of all those Families emigrated in the early 1800's. Does anyone have any idea of where my EMERYS and NETHERYS might have lived, if and why they were exiled with the BRs, or anything about them at all? SANDRA from AUSTRALIA

Has anyone any knowledge about finding further information regarding a man in the Prison of Edinburgh for debt. The time was July 1851 in Edinburgh. He applied for Cessio Bonorum, - to see whether his creditors would accept payment in another form. Would there be any records of this meeting with creditors, which was to be in the Sherriff-Clerks Office, County Buildings, Lawnmarket. Would there be any prison records? Any ideas on where I might look? The notice in the Gazette was signed by an S L Agent. Does any one know what that is?? Hoping someone might have some legal knowledge. Many thanks, Margaret

My husbands great grandmother was Catherine Rhone(as she spelt it) born about 1856 in Inveresk ,Musselburgh,Scotland. Have census with some family on. But wondered whether anybody may have connections to this family. Her father was James and her mother Bridget. They were born in Ireland as were some children, but some children born in Inveresk. Thank you for any help that is available. Helen

Hello Margaret One of my ancestors was imprisoned for debt at the Old Tolbooth Prison in the 1770s - he was described as a "Gentleman" prisoner. I found a record of his imprisonment at - West Register House, Charlotte Square, Edinburgh - telephone - 0131 535 1314. The Precognition outlined his statement, detailing how he found himself in such circumstances, it also included was a list of creditors, their business, and money owed to them. It made fascinating reading, and gave an insight into the justice system during that period. Hope this helps, Patricia.

Thank you Margaret, That does help - it clarifies things nicely and explains why the name didn't fit with what I envisaged a place called "Wightman's Lands" might be. I've since come across another dwelling called Marshall's Lands, also in Edinburgh, which I suppose was the same sort of dwelling. See, there's nothing like local knowledge! Thanks again, Loretta Melbourne, Aus.

Snip Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Robert TAIT of Wightman's Land, Duke Street, Leith > Righto, next question! > > May 2 > Robert Tait, Foreman, Wightman's Land, Duke Street, Leith, and Elizabeth > Shiells his spouse, had a lawful son named George born 21st April 1839 & > Baptized 5th May 1839 by the Rev James Grant of South Leith. > 1st ch." Good morning Loretta, Apologies for coming into the "conversation" late just read your query. Have just finished checking the same question for a friend whose family lived in ""Wightman's Land" in 1890's. This was my answer "WILLIAM WIGHTMAN Burgess of the City of Edinburgh. Master Wright . Wightman, or his family, owned a tenement block in DUKE STREET , Leith , in the 19th C. Was known locally as "Wightman's Land" At this stage cannot identify which No. Will be in NAS later this week and will check the Sasines for the details In earlier times "Lands" did not only refer to fields , but also to tenement blocks built with several storeys of "flats" These would usually be rented out with very often families living in only one or two rooms. The owner's name was often given to the buildings as in "Wightman's" land. Duke Street was named in 1818 after Charles , Earl of Dalkeith. the 4th Duke of Buccleuch." Trust this is of some help and interest. Regards John John D. Stevenson Edinburgh Scotland

Hello Bob, Thank You for the help with the Souness from Midlothian and East Lothian,this is the right Family. So Thank You once again. Karen __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com

1906 Births Kirknewton and East Calder Francis EARDLY 6 December 1906 10h am East Calder Kirknewton Parents Michael EARDLY shale miner and Agnes O'ROKRE married 26 November 1899 Kirknewton sig Michael Eardly father Walter Scot Telford DOHERTY 8 December 1906 4h 60m am 152 Oakbank Kirknewton Parents George Mark DOHERTY pipe coverer and Hannah Hortense Scot TELFORD married 1 October 1891 Edinburgh sig George Mark Doherty father Jane Anderson Torrance BROWN 16 December 1906 11h 30m am Kirknewton Parents Richard BROWN Railway signalman and Janet Martin REID married 30 June 1899 not sure might be East Calder sig Richard Brown father 1907 Births Bathgate William Hunter MILLAR 30 May 1907 6h 30m pm Chapel Lane Bathgate Parents James MILLAR waggon builder Vina HUNTER married 30 December 1892 Armadale Isabella Strang GENTLEMAN 26 May 1907 11h am Gayfield Terrace Mid Street Bathgate Parents Thomas Forest GENTLEMAN joiner journeyman and Isabella STRANG married 20 March 1903 Bathgate sig Thomas Gentleman father Thomas MARSHALL 27 May 1907 18 High Street Bathgate Parents Thomas MARSHALL Foreman Labourer and Robina WAUGH Married June 9 1896 Cortorphine sig Thomas Marshall father Take Care Rhona

Righto, next question! Robert TAIT and Elizabeth SHIELLS's son George was born 1839 when they were living at Leith: "Births and Baptisms May 1839 Tait May 2 Robert Tait, Foreman, Wightman's Land, Duke Street, Leith, and Elizabeth Shiells his spouse, had a lawful son named George born 21st April 1839 & Baptized 5th May 1839 by the Rev James Grant of South Leith. 1st ch." Would this mean that he was a Foreman who lived where his work was at Wightman's Land, or that he was a Foreman in his work elsewhere but lived at Wightman's Land? I can't find very much about Wightman's Land - does anyone know what sort of place it was? I checked the 1841 census for the address and it seems pretty substantial. There are two or three pages of occupants, all with varying occupations. Was it a farm or something? The name seems to indicate a property of some kind, but it sounds odd to have an address in a street if it was a farm. It's hard to tell whether it was somewhere that a lot of people lived (while working elsewhere), or whether it was a place where a lot of people lived *because* they worked there. Thank you, Loretta Melbourne, Aus.

Many thanks to everyone who replied to my message - thanks to your suggestions and hints I think I have a pretty good handle on old Robert after viewing images for his children's births and following up censuses. I reckon he was the son of George TAIT and Jane HUNTER, born 1815 in Prestonkirk, East Lothian. His brother James (born 1813) was a witness at the baptism of Robert's daughter Mary at Prestonkirk in April 1841. Robert appears to have been in gaol in Edinburgh on census night 1841 but couldn't have been in for long because he and Elizabeth had another two daughters in 1843 and 1847. The names given to their children fit perfectly with the Scottish naming pattern if George and Jane are his parents. Elizabeth is recorded as a widow in 1851 so Robert may have died between June 1847 and March 1851. I'm going to the State Library this week to check MIs for East Lothian - maybe there's a hint there. I'll also check to see whether he might have been back in the pokey in later censuses (Elizabeth may have preferred people to think she was a widow) or maybe emigrated. So thanks again, everyone - I know a lot more about Robert than I would have thought possible this time yesterday! Cheers, Loretta Melbourne, Aus.

Here are some extra cert from Scotlands People 1907 Birth Canongate John SLAVEN 30 September 1907 1h30pm at 48 St Mary Street Edinburgh Parents James SLAVEN District Office Fireman and Annie DEVINE married 11 June 1900 Edinburgh sig James Slaven father Patrick O'DONNELL 8 October 1907 9h30m pm 57 Calton Road Edinburgh Parent James O'DONNELL general labourer and Alice ADAM married 31 December 1903 Edinburgh sig James O'Donnell father Elizabeth CAHILL 14 Octobeer 1907 10h21m am Whitehouse Close 31 Canongate Edinburgh Parents Thomas CAHILL general labourer and Jean ADAMS married 26 April 1907 Edinburgh sig Thomas Cahilll father 1957 Deaths Canongate Janet Biset McDONALD married to Adam McDONALD motor maker retired 4 June 1957 9h55m pm 14 Raes Building 90 Holyrood Road Edinburgh aged 92 Parents James LINDSAY house painer dec and Jessie MUIR dec Senil Arteris Sclerous chronic Bronchitis cert by NJ McQueen infor Janet BENTLEY daughter 130 Kenyon Lane Maston Manchester Margaret GILLO Music shop assistant retired single 5 June 1957 3h am Queensberry House Hospital Canongate Edinburgh usual residence 22 Grove Street Edinburgh aged 83 Parents Gilbert GILLON clerk dec and Elizabeth Cumming GILLESPIE dec General Arteris Sclerous Cerebral aemorrhage as cert J Russell inf C GILLON nephew 63 Forrester Road Edinburgh Take Care Rhona

Hello, re: Tait family, have: James Tait, farmer, & Jemima Tait M.S. Henry, son: Magnus Thomas Tait 25 md Elizabeth Burns Velzian 24 Apr 1914, in St Thomas, Church, Leith; their son, George Velzian Tait md Jennie Lindner. He was a Company Director when he died in 1955, in hospital, usual R.,18 Dudley Terrace, Leith. Best regards Barbara

Hi Loretta, Back then "Lands" did not only refer to countryside, but also to city Tenement Property Blocks comprising of several storeys of "flats"( apartments nowadays). These would usually be rented out and therefore would have multiple occupation, with very often large families living in only one or two rooms. The tenants would work elsewhere. The owner's name was often given to the buildings as in "Wightman's" land. Hope that this helps. Regards Margaret(frae bonnie Scotland)

Hello List I am seeking a REID Family, the information I have from a death certificate is as follows. Elizabeth Reid born abt 1881 was the daughter of James Reid and Elizabeth McIntyre . Elizabeth first married James Wilson , second marriage to Archibald Gordon born Airdrie 1870 , third marriage to James Glasgow in Edinburgh. Any information on any of these Individuals will be welcome. Thank you in advance Jacobina

Do you think he might have been in prison eg 1841 census 1841 Census 500 Records found displaying records 101 to 200 Piece: SCT1841/685 Place: Edinburgh -Midlothian Enumeration District: 06 Civil Parish: Edinburgh Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Greenside Folio: 28 Page: 1 Address: Gaol & Bridewell -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks Page: 28/5 BELL James M 20 Prisoner Wright Midlothian BELL David M 20 Prisoner Mason Midlothian PATON Alexander M 15 Prisoner Tailor Midlothian CALDER Alexander M 20 Prisoner Painter Midlothian BAILLE Thomas M 15 Prisoner None Midlothian MONCREIF David M 35 Prisoner Labourer Midlothian SHORT James M 15 Prisoner Typefounder Midlothian GRAME John M 15 Prisoner Baker Midlothian RUSSELL Robert M 25 Prisoner Shopman Outside Census County (1841) MCGREGOR James M 15 Prisoner Wright Midlothian THOMSON William M 15 Prisoner Flesher Midlothian TURNBULL James M 15 Prisoner Cooper Midlothian BROWN David M 14 Prisoner Lea Midlothian WALSH Robert M 15 Prisoner None Midlothian GRAY John M 20 Prisoner Flesher Outside Census County (1841) MCKENZIE William M 15 Prisoner Shopboy Outside Census County (1841) HAY James M 20 Prisoner Baker Outside Census County (1841) GRANDERSON Robert M 15 Prisoner Baker Midlothian HUME William M 14 Prisoner None Midlothian WELSH Felix M 60 Prisoner Weaver Ireland AITCHINSON Donald M 35 Prisoner Sweep Outside Census County (1841) BAIRD Samuel M 35 Prisoner Labourer Midlothian TAIT Robert M 25 Prisoner Labourer Outside Census County (1841) WALKER Joseph M 20 Prisoner Soldier England GILLAN Henry M 30 Prisoner Soldier Ireland kind regards Marg O'Leary Port Stephens, NSW, Australia [email protected] family history web site - http://rickarby.com/present_searches.htm One name study - SKEAD, SKED TOMAREE FAMILY HISTORY - (Port Stephens NSW) http://www.tomareefamilyhistory.com/index.html Tone's art web site http://www.tonesart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Family" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:40 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Robert TAIT & Elizabeth SHIELL/S > Hi all, > > I'm trying to track down a death for Elizabeth TAIT (nee SHIELLS) and > would > like to find practically anything about her husband Robert TAIT, who is a > major mystery. > > Elizabeth was born in Berwickshire c 1818 but married in Leith and lived > in > East Lothian for a while (1841 census and three children born Prestonkirk > 1841-1847) and then in Midlothian from 1851. > > I have a copy of the marriage entry: > "Proclamations June 1838 > Robert Tait, Carter residing till lately at Janefield Place Leith, parish > of > South Leith, and Elizabeth Shiells residing at No 14 Duke Street Leith, > same > parish, and daughter of Willm Shiells, Gardener, Grange Loan, were three > times proclaimed in order to marriage on 3 June 1838 & no objections > offered, and were married at Edinr on 8th June 1838 by the Rev Willm > Peddie, > Edinburgh." > > Trouble is, Robert does not appear in any census with Elizabeth. She had > six > known children, four of them with Robert Tait named as father. > > In 1841 Just Elizabeth and daughter Mary were at home. In 1851 she has > three > daughters, and still no sign of Robert. In 1861 Elizabeth was at Nether > Liberton and seems to have gained a son, William, aged 5, and still no > sign > of Robert. In 1871 she is still at Nether Liberton and has yet another > son, > George. In 1881 Elizabeth was living with her daughter Marion (whose first > husband John Barclay died in 1875) and her second husband James Thomson. > > I cannot find Elizabeth after 1881 in theUK and nor is there a death entry > for her at Scotlands People. There isn't a birth entry either, nor a > marriage for her parents. Her brother John died in 1872 and his death > certificate names his parents as William SHIELL and Mary SHIELL, but I can > find nothing about either of them on SP or the censuses or the IGI. Maybe > they were non-conformists or something but that wouldn't explain why > there's > no death certificate for Elizabeth. > > And as for Robert - I don't know his age or birthplace so I have no hope > of > identifying him in the Statutory deaths. Robert and Elizabeth's daughters > were Mary (born 1841, married William ALLAN); Jane (born 1843, married > George THOMSON; Marion (born 1847, married John BARCLAY then James > THOMSON). > I can't find the sons George (b 1863) and William (b 1856) after the 1871 > census. In fact, I think George may be the illegitimate son of Elizabeth's > daughter Mary - the only possibility for George at SP was born August 1862 > and Mary didn't marry William ALLEN until May 1863. A son of the same > forename, age and birthplace shows up with Mary and William in 1881. > > Does anyone know anything about these people? Does Robert show up in a > directory somewhere perhaps, or on an MI? Does anyone have them in their > tree? > > Many thanks, > Loretta > Melbourne, Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I was wondering if he changed his occupation and perhaps joined the army. kind regards Marg O'Leary Port Stephens, NSW, Australia [email protected] family history web site - http://rickarby.com/present_searches.htm One name study - SKEAD, SKED TOMAREE FAMILY HISTORY - (Port Stephens NSW) http://www.tomareefamilyhistory.com/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Family" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:40 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Robert TAIT & Elizabeth SHIELL/S > Hi all, > > I'm trying to track down a death for Elizabeth TAIT (nee SHIELLS) and > would > like to find practically anything about her husband Robert TAIT, who is a > major mystery. > > Elizabeth was born in Berwickshire c 1818 but married in Leith and lived > in > East Lothian for a while (1841 census and three children born Prestonkirk > 1841-1847) and then in Midlothian from 1851. > > I have a copy of the marriage entry: > "Proclamations June 1838 > Robert Tait, Carter residing till lately at Janefield Place Leith, parish > of > South Leith, and Elizabeth Shiells residing at No 14 Duke Street Leith, > same > parish, and daughter of Willm Shiells, Gardener, Grange Loan, were three > times proclaimed in order to marriage on 3 June 1838 & no objections > offered, and were married at Edinr on 8th June 1838 by the Rev Willm > Peddie, > Edinburgh." > > Trouble is, Robert does not appear in any census with Elizabeth. She had > six > known children, four of them with Robert Tait named as father. > > In 1841 Just Elizabeth and daughter Mary were at home. In 1851 she has > three > daughters, and still no sign of Robert. In 1861 Elizabeth was at Nether > Liberton and seems to have gained a son, William, aged 5, and still no > sign > of Robert. In 1871 she is still at Nether Liberton and has yet another > son, > George. In 1881 Elizabeth was living with her daughter Marion (whose first > husband John Barclay died in 1875) and her second husband James Thomson. > > I cannot find Elizabeth after 1881 in theUK and nor is there a death entry > for her at Scotlands People. There isn't a birth entry either, nor a > marriage for her parents. Her brother John died in 1872 and his death > certificate names his parents as William SHIELL and Mary SHIELL, but I can > find nothing about either of them on SP or the censuses or the IGI. Maybe > they were non-conformists or something but that wouldn't explain why > there's > no death certificate for Elizabeth. > > And as for Robert - I don't know his age or birthplace so I have no hope > of > identifying him in the Statutory deaths. Robert and Elizabeth's daughters > were Mary (born 1841, married William ALLAN); Jane (born 1843, married > George THOMSON; Marion (born 1847, married John BARCLAY then James > THOMSON). > I can't find the sons George (b 1863) and William (b 1856) after the 1871 > census. In fact, I think George may be the illegitimate son of Elizabeth's > daughter Mary - the only possibility for George at SP was born August 1862 > and Mary didn't marry William ALLEN until May 1863. A son of the same > forename, age and birthplace shows up with Mary and William in 1881. > > Does anyone know anything about these people? Does Robert show up in a > directory somewhere perhaps, or on an MI? Does anyone have them in their > tree? > > Many thanks, > Loretta > Melbourne, Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, I'm trying to track down a death for Elizabeth TAIT (nee SHIELLS) and would like to find practically anything about her husband Robert TAIT, who is a major mystery. Elizabeth was born in Berwickshire c 1818 but married in Leith and lived in East Lothian for a while (1841 census and three children born Prestonkirk 1841-1847) and then in Midlothian from 1851. I have a copy of the marriage entry: "Proclamations June 1838 Robert Tait, Carter residing till lately at Janefield Place Leith, parish of South Leith, and Elizabeth Shiells residing at No 14 Duke Street Leith, same parish, and daughter of Willm Shiells, Gardener, Grange Loan, were three times proclaimed in order to marriage on 3 June 1838 & no objections offered, and were married at Edinr on 8th June 1838 by the Rev Willm Peddie, Edinburgh." Trouble is, Robert does not appear in any census with Elizabeth. She had six known children, four of them with Robert Tait named as father. In 1841 Just Elizabeth and daughter Mary were at home. In 1851 she has three daughters, and still no sign of Robert. In 1861 Elizabeth was at Nether Liberton and seems to have gained a son, William, aged 5, and still no sign of Robert. In 1871 she is still at Nether Liberton and has yet another son, George. In 1881 Elizabeth was living with her daughter Marion (whose first husband John Barclay died in 1875) and her second husband James Thomson. I cannot find Elizabeth after 1881 in theUK and nor is there a death entry for her at Scotlands People. There isn't a birth entry either, nor a marriage for her parents. Her brother John died in 1872 and his death certificate names his parents as William SHIELL and Mary SHIELL, but I can find nothing about either of them on SP or the censuses or the IGI. Maybe they were non-conformists or something but that wouldn't explain why there's no death certificate for Elizabeth. And as for Robert - I don't know his age or birthplace so I have no hope of identifying him in the Statutory deaths. Robert and Elizabeth's daughters were Mary (born 1841, married William ALLAN); Jane (born 1843, married George THOMSON; Marion (born 1847, married John BARCLAY then James THOMSON). I can't find the sons George (b 1863) and William (b 1856) after the 1871 census. In fact, I think George may be the illegitimate son of Elizabeth's daughter Mary - the only possibility for George at SP was born August 1862 and Mary didn't marry William ALLEN until May 1863. A son of the same forename, age and birthplace shows up with Mary and William in 1881. Does anyone know anything about these people? Does Robert show up in a directory somewhere perhaps, or on an MI? Does anyone have them in their tree? Many thanks, Loretta Melbourne, Australia

A few Taits and some Elizabeth Shiells to look at. These records are held in your local FHC files Bob Cdn --------------------------- TAIT, William Bir 1818 Scot Berw Earlst Fa: William TAIT Mo: Elizabeth SHIELS TAIT, Alexander Bir 1823 Scot Berw Earlst Fa: William TAIT Mo: Elizabeth SHIELS TURNBULL, James Bir 1824 Scot Lana Ruther Fa: James TURNBULL Mo: Elisabeth SHEILS TAIT, George Bir 1839 Scot Midl SouLei Fa: Robert TAIT Mo: Elizabeth SHIELLS TAIT, Mary Bir 1841 Scot EaLo Presto Fa: Robert TAIT Mo: Elizabeth SHIELS TAIT, Jean Bir 1843 Scot EaLo Presto Fa: Robert TAIT Mo: Elizabeth SHIELS THOMSON, Mary Bir 1843 Scot Midl Edinbu Fa: William THOMSON Mo: Elizabeth SHIELLS THOMSON, James Bir 1846 Scot Midl Edinbu Fa: William THOMSON Mo: Elizabeth SHIELLS TAIT, Marion Bir 1847 Scot EaLo Presto Fa: Robert TAIT Mo: Elizabeth SHIELS THOMSON, Elizabeth Bir 1851 Scot Midl Edinbu Fa: William THOMSON Mo: Elizabeth SHIELLS ============================================ Thomas Family wrote: <SNIP> > ...I'm trying to track down a death for Elizabeth TAIT (nee SHIELLS) and would > like to find practically anything about her husband Robert TAIT, who is a > major mystery.... > ==========================================

Hello Everyone, I was wondering if any one has this family. THOMAS SOUNESS b.abt 1776,Gladsmuir he married BARBARA BEATTIE. Their Children 1/ ANDREW SUNNES(Souness) b.abt 1801,d.1868 Bolton Dunbar he married JANET BRODIE. 2/ JOHN SOUNESS b.abt 1806,d.1869 East Salton,Haddington East Lothian he married AVIS BARCLAY 3/ JANET SOUNESS b. abt 1811,d.1866 Haddington East Lothian, she married RICHARD BAILLIE. I think there could be more children for Thomas Souness and Barbara Beattie. Would like to hear from any one with this Family or someone can help me find the missing Children, I have looked on SP and IGI. Thank You. Karen. __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com