Hi Beth I got it from the Mormons, Church of latter day Saints. If you look them up on the Net you will be able to contact them. It's the best thing since sliced bread. Regards Ella ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Kennedy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] ALEXANDER KETCHIN- MARY ANN SUTHERLAND OWENS. > Hi Ella > Can we get the 1881 Scottish census CD here in Australia or do we send > overseas for it. > Regards > Beth > beautiful northern NSW > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ella Ross" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] ALEXANDER KETCHIN- MARY ANN SUTHERLAND OWENS. > > >> Hi Janet >> I've got a copy of the 1881 Census on CD. >> It says Alexander was Married and that the One-year old child was born in >> Edinburgh. >> It can be very hard to read some of the original writing on Census >> records. >> The mistake in Alexander's age and Owens/Ovens names may be due to >> illegibilty or the census taker made a mistake. >> >> Here is a copy of the details. >> Dwelling: 73 Pleasance >> Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland >> Source: FHL Film 0224008 GRO Ref Volume 685-5 EnumDist 6 >> Page >> 4 >> Marr Age Sex Birthplace >> Alexander KETCHIN M 32 M Penicuick, Edinburgh, Scotland >> Rel: Head >> Occ: Vanman >> Mary Ann KETCHIN M 43 F Edinburgh, Scotland >> Rel: Wife >> John OVENS U 21 M Edinburgh, Scotland >> Rel: Stepson >> Occ: Letter Sorter >> Alexander KETCHIN 1 M Edinburgh, Scotland >> >> Regards >> Ella Ross, Sydney >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Janet Miller" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:14 AM >> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] ALEXANDER KETCHIN- MARY ANN SUTHERLAND OWENS. >> >> >>> Hi fellow researchers, >>> My problem... the 1881 census for 73 Pleasance. Edinburgh St Cuthberts >>> lists my ancestor Alexander Ketchin aged 32(should be 39) Bachelor. >>> his wife Mary Ann Ketchin aged 43. Marriage 1874, says she was Mary Ann >>> Sutherland once married to Roberts Owens., Widow. >>> John Ovens age 21 and (should be Owens) >>> ALEXANDER KETCHIN Aged 1 grandson born Carrington. >>> I have been on Scotlands People, and Family Search and can find no >>> Alexander Ketchin (Kitchin, Kitchen) born 1880. 1881. >>> I can find no children to Alexander which would have had to have been >>> born before his marriage in 1874, but then I do not have a wifes name. >>> Scotland's People can get a bit expensive when you live in New Zealand >>> and are searching without great direction. >>> Any suggestions most welcome >>> Cheers >>> Janet >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: >>> 6/02/2008 8:14 PM >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: > 7/02/2008 11:17 AM > >

Looking for info on Thomas FRIER/FREER m Elizabeth Aitken RUTHERFORD - Cannongate Edinburgh Thomas b 1883 in Edinburgh Elizabeth Aitken RUTHERFORD b 1885 Cannongate Edinburgh, daughter of William & Anne RUTHERFORD (ms FOLEY) Elizabeth's sister Mary Ann RUTHERFORD m Joseph GILHOOLY - 1915, St Patrick's - Cowgate,Edinburgh 1915. Joseph died 1945, and Maryanne in 1957, both in Edinburgh. Elizabeth & MaryAnn where my Grandfather (Alexander P Rutherford's) sisters. Thank you Anne Rutherford > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: > 07/02/2008 11:17 > >

> There is a Louis Lewis in the 1901 census in London, wife Fanny, (not > Tarry) > daughters Dolly and Elsie and a niece Esther Deutscher who is a tailoress. > It says he was born in Holland England and the niece was born in Holland. > > Name: Louis Lewis > Age: 35 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 > Relation: Head > Spouse's Name: Tarry > Gender: Male > Where born: Holland, England > > Civil Parish: Paddington > Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Tavistock Road > County/Island: London > Country: England > > Street address: > > Occupation: > > Condition as to marriage: > > Education: > > Employment status: View Image > > Registration district: Paddington > Sub-registration district: St Mary, Paddington > ED, institution, or vessel: 39 > Neighbors: > Household schedule number: 151 > Household Members: Name Age > Esther Deutscher 25 > Dolly Lewis 8 > Elsie Lewis 6 > Louis Lewis 35 > Tarry Lewis 33 > Lizzie Martin 19 > > > > > > > Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 10; Folio: 16; > > > > kind regards > Marg > Port Stephens, NSW, Australia > > > > One name study - S.K.E.A.D, S.K.E.D > > TOMAREE FAMILY HISTORY - (Port Stephens NSW) > http://www.tomareefamilyhistory.com/index.html > > Tone's art web site http://www.tonesart.net/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 8:19 PM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] LEWIS, Jewish Tailor, Edinburgh > > >> >> Hi, >> >> I submitted this yesterday but it seems to have disappeared into the >> ether. >> Appologies if it is now a duplicate. >> >> I am new to this list and am trying to find answers to big family >> puzzle. >> >> My uncle by marriage Bernard LEWIS was born in March 1903 in Edinburgh, >> according to his death certificate in 1978. On his marriage certificate >> he gives >> his father's details as Louis LEWIS, a Master tailor. >> >> The thing is all his life he said he had been born in London, >> considered >> himself a cockney and said that he had been born within the sound of Bow >> Bells. >> He certainly sounded like a cockney! He was Jewish, kept Kosher food all >> his >> life and always said he had no other family. My own mother (his >> sister-in >> law ) registered his death and she had never said that he was from >> Edinbugh. >> >> I am trying to find his birth. I have looked on Scotland's People and >> have >> not found anything which could be a possible birth record, I have also >> searched for him under the name of Bernard LEVY as I know that a lot of >> Jews >> changed their names around that time. >> >> I should say that I can't find details of him in London either and so >> far >> my >> best hope is the impending 1911 census release next yaar and look for >> him >> there. >> >> Does anyone have any other ideas as to where I should search, not having >> done any searching in Scotland before I am new to this area. >> >> Thank you >> Jas in Devon >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

NB there are places called Holland in England. this is 1881, a possible family Dwelling: 3 Spital St Census Place: Mile End New Town, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341095 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0439 Folio 122 Page 8 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Harris LEWIS M 42 M Poland Rel: Head Occ: Tailor Miriam LEWIS M 41 F London, Middlesex, England Rel: Wife Occ: Tailor Samuel LEWIS U 20 M London, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Tailor Cutter Julia LEWIS U 17 F London, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: School Teacher Lewis LEWIS U 13 M London, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Humphrey LEWIS U 12 M London, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Solomon LEWIS 10 M London, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Peizer LEWIS 9 M London, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Phineas LEWIS 6 M London, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Jacob LEWIS 4 M London, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Woolf LEWIS 2 M London, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Rosetta LEWIS 5 m F London, Middlesex, England Rel: Daughter Louisa JACOBY U 30 F London, Middlesex, England Rel: Servant Occ: General Domestic Servt kind regards Marg Port Stephens, NSW, Australia One name study - S.K.E.A.D, S.K.E.D TOMAREE FAMILY HISTORY - (Port Stephens NSW) http://www.tomareefamilyhistory.com/index.html Tone's art web site http://www.tonesart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] LEWIS, Jewish Tailor, Edinburgh > > Hi, > > I submitted this yesterday but it seems to have disappeared into the > ether. > Appologies if it is now a duplicate. > > I am new to this list and am trying to find answers to big family puzzle. > > My uncle by marriage Bernard LEWIS was born in March 1903 in Edinburgh, > according to his death certificate in 1978. On his marriage certificate > he gives > his father's details as Louis LEWIS, a Master tailor. > > The thing is all his life he said he had been born in London, considered > himself a cockney and said that he had been born within the sound of Bow > Bells. > He certainly sounded like a cockney! He was Jewish, kept Kosher food all > his > life and always said he had no other family. My own mother (his > sister-in > law ) registered his death and she had never said that he was from > Edinbugh. > > I am trying to find his birth. I have looked on Scotland's People and > have > not found anything which could be a possible birth record, I have also > searched for him under the name of Bernard LEVY as I know that a lot of > Jews > changed their names around that time. > > I should say that I can't find details of him in London either and so far > my > best hope is the impending 1911 census release next yaar and look for him > there. > > Does anyone have any other ideas as to where I should search, not having > done any searching in Scotland before I am new to this area. > > Thank you > Jas in Devon > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Death certs are unreliable as it depends who supplied the information - eg my husband would totally fail telling any official where any of us were born or when. He isnt even too sure about himself. I have a death cert for one ancestor which says she was born cork, Ireland. but her wedding cert, says she was born in London. This is backed up by the 1841 census. I fancy she spoke a lot in her old age of her family being from Cork, her mother perhaps, and that is how her friend supplied the information for the death cert. kind regards Marg Port Stephens, NSW, Australia One name study - S.K.E.A.D, S.K.E.D TOMAREE FAMILY HISTORY - (Port Stephens NSW) http://www.tomareefamilyhistory.com/index.html Tone's art web site http://www.tonesart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] LEWIS, Jewish Tailor, Edinburgh > > Hi, > > I submitted this yesterday but it seems to have disappeared into the > ether. > Appologies if it is now a duplicate. > > I am new to this list and am trying to find answers to big family puzzle. > > My uncle by marriage Bernard LEWIS was born in March 1903 in Edinburgh, > according to his death certificate in 1978. On his marriage certificate > he gives > his father's details as Louis LEWIS, a Master tailor. > > The thing is all his life he said he had been born in London, considered > himself a cockney and said that he had been born within the sound of Bow > Bells. > He certainly sounded like a cockney! He was Jewish, kept Kosher food all > his > life and always said he had no other family. My own mother (his > sister-in > law ) registered his death and she had never said that he was from > Edinbugh. > > I am trying to find his birth. I have looked on Scotland's People and > have > not found anything which could be a possible birth record, I have also > searched for him under the name of Bernard LEVY as I know that a lot of > Jews > changed their names around that time. > > I should say that I can't find details of him in London either and so far > my > best hope is the impending 1911 census release next yaar and look for him > there. > > Does anyone have any other ideas as to where I should search, not having > done any searching in Scotland before I am new to this area. > > Thank you > Jas in Devon > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You order it through a latter day Saints centre and can do it by phone and credit card. The Scottish 1881 consists of two discs. If you want a look up, I have the discs. kind regards Marg Port Stephens, NSW, Australia One name study - S.K.E.A.D, S.K.E.D TOMAREE FAMILY HISTORY - (Port Stephens NSW) http://www.tomareefamilyhistory.com/index.html Tone's art web site http://www.tonesart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Kennedy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] ALEXANDER KETCHIN- MARY ANN SUTHERLAND OWENS. > Hi Ella > Can we get the 1881 Scottish census CD here in Australia or do we send > overseas for it. > Regards > Beth > beautiful northern NSW > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ella Ross" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] ALEXANDER KETCHIN- MARY ANN SUTHERLAND OWENS. > > >> Hi Janet >> I've got a copy of the 1881 Census on CD. >> It says Alexander was Married and that the One-year old child was born in >> Edinburgh. >> It can be very hard to read some of the original writing on Census >> records. >> The mistake in Alexander's age and Owens/Ovens names may be due to >> illegibilty or the census taker made a mistake. >> >> Here is a copy of the details. >> Dwelling: 73 Pleasance >> Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland >> Source: FHL Film 0224008 GRO Ref Volume 685-5 EnumDist 6 >> Page >> 4 >> Marr Age Sex Birthplace >> Alexander KETCHIN M 32 M Penicuick, Edinburgh, Scotland >> Rel: Head >> Occ: Vanman >> Mary Ann KETCHIN M 43 F Edinburgh, Scotland >> Rel: Wife >> John OVENS U 21 M Edinburgh, Scotland >> Rel: Stepson >> Occ: Letter Sorter >> Alexander KETCHIN 1 M Edinburgh, Scotland >> >> Regards >> Ella Ross, Sydney >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Janet Miller" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:14 AM >> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] ALEXANDER KETCHIN- MARY ANN SUTHERLAND OWENS. >> >> >>> Hi fellow researchers, >>> My problem... the 1881 census for 73 Pleasance. Edinburgh St Cuthberts >>> lists my ancestor Alexander Ketchin aged 32(should be 39) Bachelor. >>> his wife Mary Ann Ketchin aged 43. Marriage 1874, says she was Mary Ann >>> Sutherland once married to Roberts Owens., Widow. >>> John Ovens age 21 and (should be Owens) >>> ALEXANDER KETCHIN Aged 1 grandson born Carrington. >>> I have been on Scotlands People, and Family Search and can find no >>> Alexander Ketchin (Kitchin, Kitchen) born 1880. 1881. >>> I can find no children to Alexander which would have had to have been >>> born before his marriage in 1874, but then I do not have a wifes name. >>> Scotland's People can get a bit expensive when you live in New Zealand >>> and are searching without great direction. >>> Any suggestions most welcome >>> Cheers >>> Janet >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: >>> 6/02/2008 8:14 PM >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ella Can we get the 1881 Scottish census CD here in Australia or do we send overseas for it. Regards Beth beautiful northern NSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ella Ross" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] ALEXANDER KETCHIN- MARY ANN SUTHERLAND OWENS. > Hi Janet > I've got a copy of the 1881 Census on CD. > It says Alexander was Married and that the One-year old child was born in > Edinburgh. > It can be very hard to read some of the original writing on Census > records. > The mistake in Alexander's age and Owens/Ovens names may be due to > illegibilty or the census taker made a mistake. > > Here is a copy of the details. > Dwelling: 73 Pleasance > Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland > Source: FHL Film 0224008 GRO Ref Volume 685-5 EnumDist 6 Page > 4 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Alexander KETCHIN M 32 M Penicuick, Edinburgh, Scotland > Rel: Head > Occ: Vanman > Mary Ann KETCHIN M 43 F Edinburgh, Scotland > Rel: Wife > John OVENS U 21 M Edinburgh, Scotland > Rel: Stepson > Occ: Letter Sorter > Alexander KETCHIN 1 M Edinburgh, Scotland > > Regards > Ella Ross, Sydney > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Miller" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:14 AM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] ALEXANDER KETCHIN- MARY ANN SUTHERLAND OWENS. > > >> Hi fellow researchers, >> My problem... the 1881 census for 73 Pleasance. Edinburgh St Cuthberts >> lists my ancestor Alexander Ketchin aged 32(should be 39) Bachelor. >> his wife Mary Ann Ketchin aged 43. Marriage 1874, says she was Mary Ann >> Sutherland once married to Roberts Owens., Widow. >> John Ovens age 21 and (should be Owens) >> ALEXANDER KETCHIN Aged 1 grandson born Carrington. >> I have been on Scotlands People, and Family Search and can find no >> Alexander Ketchin (Kitchin, Kitchen) born 1880. 1881. >> I can find no children to Alexander which would have had to have been >> born before his marriage in 1874, but then I do not have a wifes name. >> Scotland's People can get a bit expensive when you live in New Zealand >> and are searching without great direction. >> Any suggestions most welcome >> Cheers >> Janet >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: >> 6/02/2008 8:14 PM >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sheena, Thanks for confirming my thinking. Think that 1891 Census also confirms it. garet Regards, Margaret

Ancestry's transcribers can be a bit creative sometimes; I agree it looks like "Fanny" - it's not even like the way that enumerator writes his Rs. If the dob wasn't quite accurate then FreeBMD has a couple of possibilities for Bernard's birth, given that the district of West Ham is probably within earshot of the Bow bells! Best wishes, Sheena Ireland -----Original Message----- From: "Margaret Woodford" <[email protected]> Sorry, should have mentioned in case I'm wrong. Wife's name looks like Fanny to me but has been transcribed on Ancestry as Tarry !

Another Census Entry from 1891. No mention of England after Holland, unlike 1901where Eng. was added in different (faint) handwriting. Since his niece's place of birth was given as Holland and she had a foreign name, I tend to think that he was in fact born in that country, and possibly changed his surname, perhaps even to that of his wife. Louis Lewis Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Fanny Gender: Male Where born: Holland Civil Parish: Paddington Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Tailor Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View Image Registration district: Paddington Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Mark Andrews 19 - Apprentice Tailor Fanny Lewis 24 - Tailoress Louis Lewis 25 - Tailor Regards Margaret

----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Ireland" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] LEWIS, Jewish Tailor, Edinburgh > Ancestry's transcribers can be a bit creative sometimes; I agree it looks > like "Fanny" - it's not even like the way that enumerator writes his Rs. I agree. To me, it most certainly looks like Fanny on the original. I could understand more if the F had been transcribed a T, but not as R. Toni

Sorry, should have mentioned in case I'm wrong. Wife's name looks like Fanny to me but has been transcribed on Ancestry as Tarry ! Margaret

Hi Jas, Don't know whether it is much help, but in 1901 Census for Paddington, the following appears: Age Occ. Status P.O.Birth Lewis Louis 35 Tailor Employer At Home Holland Wife Fanny 32 London Daughters; Dolly 8 " Elsie 6 " Neice Dentecher Esther 25 Tailoress Holland poss. your Bernard's family? Cheers Margaret

Hi, I submitted this yesterday but it seems to have disappeared into the ether. Appologies if it is now a duplicate. I am new to this list and am trying to find answers to big family puzzle. My uncle by marriage Bernard LEWIS was born in March 1903 in Edinburgh, according to his death certificate in 1978. On his marriage certificate he gives his father's details as Louis LEWIS, a Master tailor. The thing is all his life he said he had been born in London, considered himself a cockney and said that he had been born within the sound of Bow Bells. He certainly sounded like a cockney! He was Jewish, kept Kosher food all his life and always said he had no other family. My own mother (his sister-in law ) registered his death and she had never said that he was from Edinbugh. I am trying to find his birth. I have looked on Scotland's People and have not found anything which could be a possible birth record, I have also searched for him under the name of Bernard LEVY as I know that a lot of Jews changed their names around that time. I should say that I can't find details of him in London either and so far my best hope is the impending 1911 census release next yaar and look for him there. Does anyone have any other ideas as to where I should search, not having done any searching in Scotland before I am new to this area. Thank you Jas in Devon

As far as them telling you how many pages, the documents usually have the pages numbered so it is no problem. They did tell me how many pages the record was and the charge per page plus total charge. If it is a bound volume there are restrictions as to copy methods for conservation reasons, which was what made the record I wanted very expensive. I think it involved filming and then printing - yes, an alternative would be a digitised copy on CD to save postage, but I don't think it reduces copy costs much. They wouldn't however list contents or assess which pages might be most useful - you would have to pay a researcher for that. The NAS staff will however supply copies of identified documents on request. I have also requested from them post-1901 wills by supplying details of the name and date of death. I didn't have to hire a researcher, just paid the NAS direct by credit card and they mailed it to me. It is not cheap, but nor is hiring a researcher at £18 an hour or so. As to the difficulties with the catalogue, I haven't had any, although I think there is currently a note on the website saying they have had issues with it. Perhaps as it gets more popular it is getting overloaded. Good to hear they are getting an enhanced search facility Catherine On 7/02/2008, at 12:46 PM, [email protected] wrote: > et="US-ASCII" > > Janet, > > I've also had trouble getting details. I only have 2 hits, and > when I hit > "details" I could never get anything to come up. I finally did get > one, but > still trying on the other. > > Now I have to figure out how (or if) to order the full records. > > Do they tell you in advance how many pages? > > Irene, in Michigan > > >

Hi Listers Thanks to all those who responded re searching on the NAS site. It is nice to know it is not me or my computer and will keep plugging away. Good hunting to all. Only a genealogist regards a step backwards as progress Cheers Janet New Zealand M&M wrote: >I have tried searching too, and got apparents results over 32 pages, and >then it never get past the loading stage........and then it times out. >Margaret in Australia >On 7/2/08 6:58 AM, "Janet Miller" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>Hi Catherine >>Re the On line catalogue >>The number of times I have tried both your options for search you >>suggested I just can't count .It never gets past saying there are 58 >>Ketchen records over two pages but they never load. >>Is this a common problem? or just because I live in New Zealand. >>Don't think I will be lucky enough to have another trip back to do the >>research, but found them very helpful. >>Cheers >>Janet >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Janet wrote: >>> My problem... the 1881 census for 73 Pleasance. Edinburgh St Cuthberts >>> lists my ancestor Alexander Ketchin aged 32(should be 39) Bachelor. >>> his wife Mary Ann Ketchin aged 43. Marriage 1874, says she was Mary Ann >>> Sutherland once married to Roberts Owens., Widow. >>> John Ovens age 21 and (should be Owens) >>> ALEXANDER KETCHIN Aged 1 grandson born Carrington. >>> >> I can find no children to Alexander which would have had to have been >>> born before his marriage in 1874, but then I do not have a wifes name. >>> Scotland's People can get a bit expensive when you live in New Zealand >>> and are searching without great direction. Hi Janet, You didn't mention the 1871 census, so I wondered if you had the following? Looks as though the first may be your elder Alexander KETCHIN. Hope it does help you. I couldn't find an obvious Alexander with a wife Mary (Ann) in 1891. Nor could I find a Roberts OWENS in 1871. Toni ~ Ontario 1871 Scotland Census Name: Alexander Ketchin Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Relationship: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Renwick, Edinburgh Registration Number: 685/3 Registration district: Canongate Civil Parish: Edinburgh Canongate County: Midlothian Address: 21 Macdowall Street Occupation: Vauman [ Vanman on 1881 census ] ED: 68 Household schedule number: 87 Line: 22 Roll: CSSCT1871_161 Household Members: Name Age Alexander Ketchin 29 John Ovans 22 [shopman] Charles Roans 6 Jane Roans 13 John Roans 10 John Roans 8 Mary Roans 25 [green grocer - born Edinburgh] 1871 Scotland Census Name: Alexander Ketchin Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1839 Relationship: Son Father's Name: James Gender: Male Where born: Temple, Edinburgh Registration Number: 687 Registration district: Glencross Civil Parish: Glencross County: Midlothian Address: Easter Bush Occupation: Forrester ED: 3 Page: 8 Household schedule number: 39 Line: 8 Roll: CSSCT1871_167 Household Members: Name Age Alexander Ketchin 32 George Ketchin 25 James Ketchin 73

Does anyone know if you can use a digital camera? Margaret On 7/2/08 9:55 AM, "Fionnghal" <[email protected]> wrote: > I don;t recall there being any mention of how many > pages were involved. The just quoted a total price > incl. post. i do recall being surprised at the > number i found when i did go. > > You have to take a chance or find someone to look at > them for you. till then, you'll not know what pages > you'd want. Once i saw what was there i wanted the > lot, but mine was a criminal case with precognition > papers. Yours may not be quite the same sort. Try > writing to them and see. I've always found them very > helpful. I doubt though if they'd be prepared to > count pages and make a decision on which would be the > most desirable to have. > > Tricky one! > le durachd > fionnghal > >> >> Now I have to figure out how (or if) to order the >> full records. >> >> Do they tell you in advance how many pages? > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it > now. > http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Janet In the free search in Scotlandspeople I found ONE Alexander Ketchin born 1879-1881 in Edinburgh. Looks very possible to be your lad. Ella Ross I have been on Scotlands People, and Family Search and can find no >> Alexander Ketchin (Kitchin, Kitchen) born 1880. 1881. > >> Hi fellow researchers, >> My problem... the 1881 census for 73 Pleasance. Edinburgh St Cuthberts >> lists my ancestor Alexander Ketchin aged 32(should be 39) Bachelor. >> his wife Mary Ann Ketchin aged 43. Marriage 1874, says she was Mary Ann >> Sutherland once married to Roberts Owens., Widow. >> John Ovens age 21 and (should be Owens) >> ALEXANDER KETCHIN Aged 1 grandson born Carrington. >> >> I can find no children to Alexander which would have had to have been >> born before his marriage in 1874, but then I do not have a wifes name. >> Scotland's People can get a bit expensive when you live in New Zealand >> and are searching without great direction. >> Any suggestions most welcome >> Cheers >> Janet >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: >> 6/02/2008 8:14 PM >> >> >

Hi Janet I've got a copy of the 1881 Census on CD. It says Alexander was Married and that the One-year old child was born in Edinburgh. It can be very hard to read some of the original writing on Census records. The mistake in Alexander's age and Owens/Ovens names may be due to illegibilty or the census taker made a mistake. Here is a copy of the details. Dwelling: 73 Pleasance Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224008 GRO Ref Volume 685-5 EnumDist 6 Page 4 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Alexander KETCHIN M 32 M Penicuick, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Vanman Mary Ann KETCHIN M 43 F Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Wife John OVENS U 21 M Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Stepson Occ: Letter Sorter Alexander KETCHIN 1 M Edinburgh, Scotland Regards Ella Ross, Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:14 AM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] ALEXANDER KETCHIN- MARY ANN SUTHERLAND OWENS. > Hi fellow researchers, > My problem... the 1881 census for 73 Pleasance. Edinburgh St Cuthberts > lists my ancestor Alexander Ketchin aged 32(should be 39) Bachelor. > his wife Mary Ann Ketchin aged 43. Marriage 1874, says she was Mary Ann > Sutherland once married to Roberts Owens., Widow. > John Ovens age 21 and (should be Owens) > ALEXANDER KETCHIN Aged 1 grandson born Carrington. > I have been on Scotlands People, and Family Search and can find no > Alexander Ketchin (Kitchin, Kitchen) born 1880. 1881. > I can find no children to Alexander which would have had to have been > born before his marriage in 1874, but then I do not have a wifes name. > Scotland's People can get a bit expensive when you live in New Zealand > and are searching without great direction. > Any suggestions most welcome > Cheers > Janet > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: > 6/02/2008 8:14 PM > >