Hi: You know when I put the names in something in the back of my mind said that it wasn't necessary, and I almost took that out. Then something made me continue. I definitely think we have a match. William Laing (son of David and Elizabeth) and Mary Manson are the parents of Robert Laing, who married my great aunt Cecilia Dempster Aitken in 1921, Portobello Scotland. Robert would be her second husband. Their child(ren), and I think I have found one, would be my father's first cousin(s). I never really knew Cecilia existed until I started this, my dad and all his family are gone now, I have no one to ask. My dad never spoke of family in Scotland and my grandmother only spoke of one Dempster in Scotland and one here in Canada. I was hoping that the one son to Cecilia and Robert, and I am positive it would be correct, Lauchlan John Laing, (all my grandfathers were named Lauchlan John Dempster) would still be alive. His birth date was one year after my dad, and unfortunately I found a death record dated one year after my dad. So no luck there but....there could be second cousins floating around. I have only just started on William and Mary, have birth records eight children, David is the second eldest. What would your connection be? Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob McEwan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] OPR birth records > Hi Liz > > What is your connection to William Laing? I am researching David Laing > born > 1857 I believe your William, George and Elizabeth's brother the dates > match > my David's Parents were David Laing and Elizabeth Stevenson do we have a > match? > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Liz Dempster [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: February 11, 2008 9:23 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] OPR birth records > > I thought this would interest some who are searching for OPR birth > records. > > I just downloaded, from Scotlandspeople, a birth record for William Laing, > 09 May 1848. I started searching for the eldest son in this family, and I > did indeed find him. I also found his brother George, 19Feb1851 and > sister > Elizabeth, 09May1854, all were recorded at the same time. The rest of > the > page had several families with 2, 3, 5 and 6 children registered at the > same > time. Birth years ranged from 1844 - 1854. > > The longest period I have found between birth and registration has been 15 > years, but that was only one child in the family. > > This last one was worth 5 credits! > > Liz Dempster > Ontario Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello John, You are right about everything not in its place. I am constantly surprised and amazed when I find something right out of the blue! I only wish I had the time to spend all day tracking down records. But, that would entail winning the big lottery to quit my job and spend time in Scotland until I think I am done. But would I ever be done? Just when I think I have gone as far as I can, another surprise pops up and I am off again. Knowing what might now be in those later records, I am on the trail again of some gggreats! Thanks Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Stevenson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] OPR birth records > Good afternoon Liz, > There is often a simple explanation for this . > Yesterday I was checking the OPR film for births in Sanquar Parish > 1850/1854.( At SGS) > Amongst the 1850 births were a number of records from 1840/45 > Being long enough working at FH research I can remember the days when we > had > to consult the original documents ( books) at NRH > Many pages were badly watermarked./damaged and the Session Clerk then > rewrote them when he had time and where he could find space.. > I have seen many instances of a page - rewritten- in a slot 5/10 years out > of its normal position ( later) > It applies obviously to B,D & M alike and I have found a number of > instances over thr years. > This is another case where one has to accept that "patience is a virtue " > where FH research is concerned !! > We have no god given right , unfortunately , to everything being in its > place as we would like it !! (WINK) > That's one of the things that helps to make FH so compelling and > interesting > !! > > Good luck with your searches > Regards > John > > John D. Stevenson > Edinburgh > Scotland > > > >>I thought this would interest some who are searching for OPR birth >>records. >> >> I just downloaded, from Scotlandspeople, a birth record for William >> Laing, >> 09 May 1848. I started searching for the eldest son in this family, and >> I >> did indeed find him. I also found his brother George, 19Feb1851 and >> sister Elizabeth, 09May1854, all were recorded at the same time. The >> rest of the page had several families with 2, 3, 5 and 6 children >> registered at the same time. Birth years ranged from 1844 - 1854. >> >> The longest period I have found between birth and registration has been >> 15 >> years, but that was only one child in the family. >> >> This last one was worth 5 credits! >> >> Liz Dempster >> Ontario Canada >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Liz What is your connection to William Laing? I am researching David Laing born 1857 I believe your William, George and Elizabeth's brother the dates match my David's Parents were David Laing and Elizabeth Stevenson do we have a match? Bob -----Original Message----- From: Liz Dempster [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: February 11, 2008 9:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] OPR birth records I thought this would interest some who are searching for OPR birth records. I just downloaded, from Scotlandspeople, a birth record for William Laing, 09 May 1848. I started searching for the eldest son in this family, and I did indeed find him. I also found his brother George, 19Feb1851 and sister Elizabeth, 09May1854, all were recorded at the same time. The rest of the page had several families with 2, 3, 5 and 6 children registered at the same time. Birth years ranged from 1844 - 1854. The longest period I have found between birth and registration has been 15 years, but that was only one child in the family. This last one was worth 5 credits! Liz Dempster Ontario Canada

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Good afternoon Liz, There is often a simple explanation for this . Yesterday I was checking the OPR film for births in Sanquar Parish 1850/1854.( At SGS) Amongst the 1850 births were a number of records from 1840/45 Being long enough working at FH research I can remember the days when we had to consult the original documents ( books) at NRH Many pages were badly watermarked./damaged and the Session Clerk then rewrote them when he had time and where he could find space.. I have seen many instances of a page - rewritten- in a slot 5/10 years out of its normal position ( later) It applies obviously to B,D & M alike and I have found a number of instances over thr years. This is another case where one has to accept that "patience is a virtue " where FH research is concerned !! We have no god given right , unfortunately , to everything being in its place as we would like it !! (WINK) That's one of the things that helps to make FH so compelling and interesting !! Good luck with your searches Regards John John D. Stevenson Edinburgh Scotland >I thought this would interest some who are searching for OPR birth records. > > I just downloaded, from Scotlandspeople, a birth record for William Laing, > 09 May 1848. I started searching for the eldest son in this family, and I > did indeed find him. I also found his brother George, 19Feb1851 and > sister Elizabeth, 09May1854, all were recorded at the same time. The > rest of the page had several families with 2, 3, 5 and 6 children > registered at the same time. Birth years ranged from 1844 - 1854. > > The longest period I have found between birth and registration has been 15 > years, but that was only one child in the family. > > This last one was worth 5 credits! > > Liz Dempster > Ontario Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Searching for contacts who may share history of the Bowland estate where my 2nd great grandmother Janet Low was born c1788. The main property located at NT 446400 on Landranger 73. Her father, my GGG grandfather Peter Low was a gardner at Bowland and my GGG Grandmother Marion Acthison family were tenant farmers in Stow. Regards, Hugh

Thanks Ron, that answers the question I posed to the list when I found a family member registered in 1855 - 15 years after his birth. I had asked if maybe there was a reason to rush to get all the parish records up to date for the new statutory registrations. I have been trying to find another birth that has not yet been found so I think I will now make a concerted effort to find my gg grandmother's birth and her mother and her aunts. Starting with 1855..........lots of late nights coming, I can see that now. Liz Cold cold southern Ontario.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Blank" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] OPR birth records > Hello Listers & Liz, > > Just prior to Scotland Civil Registration coming into effect in 1st > January > 1855, many families registered their children with church. The cost of > Civil Registration was higher then the cost of registering/baptizing with > the Parish Minister. Hence, when reviewing Old Parish Register Films, > (OPR) > you must also consult 1855 as this is when many families were registered. > > Ron > Nanaimo, BC, CAN > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I thought this would interest some who are searching for OPR birth records. I just downloaded, from Scotlandspeople, a birth record for William Laing, 09 May 1848. I started searching for the eldest son in this family, and I did indeed find him. I also found his brother George, 19Feb1851 and sister Elizabeth, 09May1854, all were recorded at the same time. The rest of the page had several families with 2, 3, 5 and 6 children registered at the same time. Birth years ranged from 1844 - 1854. The longest period I have found between birth and registration has been 15 years, but that was only one child in the family. This last one was worth 5 credits! Liz Dempster Ontario Canada

Hello Listers & Liz, Just prior to Scotland Civil Registration coming into effect in 1st January 1855, many families registered their children with church. The cost of Civil Registration was higher then the cost of registering/baptizing with the Parish Minister. Hence, when reviewing Old Parish Register Films, (OPR) you must also consult 1855 as this is when many families were registered. Ron Nanaimo, BC, CAN

Hi Julie -their father John Hurrel William Payne was bap 14/1/1816 St Clement Norwich Norfolk and died 9/12/1847 Laurieston, Glasgow. (married 27/1/1841 Gorbals Lanark) This of course leads to the question if the 3 children were born outside Scotland - I have also tried this route but may be missing something. The 1851 claims they were born in Scotland but I accept this may also be incorrect? kindest regards Mark Barker ----- Original Message ----- From: "julie tyrell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] SCOTLANDSPEOPLE / ORIGINS (SCOTS) > Hi Mark > I am not sure either why their births are not available apart from the > reasons given by other listers. > Do you have John H W Payne birth?? > > regards Julie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Barker" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:47 AM > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] SCOTLANDSPEOPLE / ORIGINS (SCOTS) > > >> Hi Julie - their parents were John Hurrel William Payne and Elizabeth >> Lamond. >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> Mark Barker >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "julie tyrell" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] SCOTLANDSPEOPLE / ORIGINS (SCOTS) >> >> >>> Who were their parents? >>> >>> Julie >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mark Barker" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:13 PM >>> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] SCOTLANDSPEOPLE / ORIGINS (SCOTS) >>> >>> >>>> Could someone tell me, if I cannot find a birth/baptism on >>>> Scotlandspeople, will I find it on Origins (Scots). I do not want to >>>> waste >>>> money joining Origins if they do not have data that Scotlands people >>>> have? >>>> (Very expensive from South Africa due to exchange rate!) >>>> >>>> >>>> I am looking for the birth of my great, great grandmother, Elizabeth >>>> Maxwell Irvine Payne abt 1847 - we believe Scotland, and or her two >>>> sisters, Jemima Harrison Lamond Payne abt 1843 - Catherine Hathie >>>> Lamond >>>> Payne abt 1845. Their parents were married 1841 Gorbals, Lanark. >>>> Elizabeth >>>> was married 1869 Tradestone Glasgow. >>>> >>>> I can not seem to find them on Scotlandspeople, or I am doing something >>>> wrong? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> kindest regards from South Africa >>>> >>>> >>>> MARK A BARKER >>>> >>>> MARK A BARKER >>>> P R E T O R I A >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1267 - Release Date: >>> 2008/02/08 08:12 PM >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: > 2008/02/09 11:54 AM >

Hi John Stevenson. Hi , excellent explanation, best I have seen yet. In my case there is no baptism record of my gg grandfather b abt 1803. Neither was there of his father b. abt 1759, nor of his three sons b abt 1837(my g grandfather) , 1839 and 1847 and yet three girls born before them all had their baptisms recorded. By the way my g grandfather, gg grandfather and ggg grandfather were all named Robert. Perhaps there was a special tax on individuals named Robert(?) - no just Alberta Canada humour. However was there a larger tax on males than females? Thank you Frank -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Stevenson Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] SCOTLANDSPEOPLE / ORIGINS (SCOTS) Snip > I am not sure either why their births are not available apart from the > reasons given by other listers. > Do you have John H W Payne birth?? Good morning Julie, I have worked , for eleven years ,as a "Volunteer Helper" at Scottish Genealogy Library and Family History Centre, Edinburgh and this is the question that causes more problems , than any other, for the Family Historian who visits us. As you know the one word that does not appear in the FH's vocabulary is "ASSUME" but so many people I meet slot in a name/date , possibly through frustration, without substantiating the information . That is a recipe for disastor !! This is where boards like this come into their own - sharing information can be so productive !! The fact is that it is not in Scotland's People's interests to "advertise" there are a large number of births and marriages which were never registered. ( wink) I.E. When the tax on registrations was introduced in 1783 the number of B,D & M registrayions fell dramativally . In one Highland parish it fell to around 20%.. The Act was repealed in 1794 but it was up to ten years in some parishes before things got back to "normal" If you check Births in Parish of Braemar for 1803 you will find pages of entries by the local JP asking the Session to enter details of births which took place between 1784 and 1793 and had never been formally registered Please accept there is nothing sinister about B M & D's not being registerd in OPR's - doesn't help the FH but there are other roads to try !! Regards John John D. Stevenson Edinburgh Scotland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Snip > I am not sure either why their births are not available apart from the > reasons given by other listers. > Do you have John H W Payne birth?? Good morning Julie, I have worked , for eleven years ,as a "Volunteer Helper" at Scottish Genealogy Library and Family History Centre, Edinburgh and this is the question that causes more problems , than any other, for the Family Historian who visits us. As you know the one word that does not appear in the FH's vocabulary is "ASSUME" but so many people I meet slot in a name/date , possibly through frustration, without substantiating the information . That is a recipe for disastor !! This is where boards like this come into their own - sharing information can be so productive !! The fact is that it is not in Scotland's People's interests to "advertise" there are a large number of births and marriages which were never registered. ( wink) I.E. When the tax on registrations was introduced in 1783 the number of B,D & M registrayions fell dramativally . In one Highland parish it fell to around 20%.. The Act was repealed in 1794 but it was up to ten years in some parishes before things got back to "normal" If you check Births in Parish of Braemar for 1803 you will find pages of entries by the local JP asking the Session to enter details of births which took place between 1784 and 1793 and had never been formally registered Please accept there is nothing sinister about B M & D's not being registerd in OPR's - doesn't help the FH but there are other roads to try !! Regards John John D. Stevenson Edinburgh Scotland

Hi Mark I am not sure either why their births are not available apart from the reasons given by other listers. Do you have John H W Payne birth?? regards Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Barker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] SCOTLANDSPEOPLE / ORIGINS (SCOTS) > Hi Julie - their parents were John Hurrel William Payne and Elizabeth > Lamond. > > > Kind regards > > Mark Barker > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "julie tyrell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:53 PM > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] SCOTLANDSPEOPLE / ORIGINS (SCOTS) > > >> Who were their parents? >> >> Julie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark Barker" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:13 PM >> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] SCOTLANDSPEOPLE / ORIGINS (SCOTS) >> >> >>> Could someone tell me, if I cannot find a birth/baptism on >>> Scotlandspeople, will I find it on Origins (Scots). I do not want to >>> waste >>> money joining Origins if they do not have data that Scotlands people >>> have? >>> (Very expensive from South Africa due to exchange rate!) >>> >>> >>> I am looking for the birth of my great, great grandmother, Elizabeth >>> Maxwell Irvine Payne abt 1847 - we believe Scotland, and or her two >>> sisters, Jemima Harrison Lamond Payne abt 1843 - Catherine Hathie >>> Lamond >>> Payne abt 1845. Their parents were married 1841 Gorbals, Lanark. >>> Elizabeth >>> was married 1869 Tradestone Glasgow. >>> >>> I can not seem to find them on Scotlandspeople, or I am doing something >>> wrong? >>> >>> >>> >>> kindest regards from South Africa >>> >>> >>> MARK A BARKER >>> >>> MARK A BARKER >>> P R E T O R I A >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1267 - Release Date: >> 2008/02/08 08:12 PM >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Julie - their parents were John Hurrel William Payne and Elizabeth Lamond. Kind regards Mark Barker ----- Original Message ----- From: "julie tyrell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] SCOTLANDSPEOPLE / ORIGINS (SCOTS) > Who were their parents? > > Julie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Barker" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:13 PM > Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] SCOTLANDSPEOPLE / ORIGINS (SCOTS) > > >> Could someone tell me, if I cannot find a birth/baptism on >> Scotlandspeople, will I find it on Origins (Scots). I do not want to >> waste >> money joining Origins if they do not have data that Scotlands people >> have? >> (Very expensive from South Africa due to exchange rate!) >> >> >> I am looking for the birth of my great, great grandmother, Elizabeth >> Maxwell Irvine Payne abt 1847 - we believe Scotland, and or her two >> sisters, Jemima Harrison Lamond Payne abt 1843 - Catherine Hathie Lamond >> Payne abt 1845. Their parents were married 1841 Gorbals, Lanark. >> Elizabeth >> was married 1869 Tradestone Glasgow. >> >> I can not seem to find them on Scotlandspeople, or I am doing something >> wrong? >> >> >> >> kindest regards from South Africa >> >> >> MARK A BARKER >> >> MARK A BARKER >> P R E T O R I A >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1267 - Release Date: > 2008/02/08 08:12 PM >

On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 20:13:12 +0200, you wrote: >Could someone tell me, if I cannot find a birth/baptism on Scotlandspeople, will I find it on Origins (Scots). I do not want to waste money joining Origins if they do not have data that Scotlands people have? (Very expensive from South Africa due to exchange rate!) > > You have had good advice from other posters. I personally stay away from Origins in all its varieties. David

Could someone tell me, if I cannot find a birth/baptism on Scotlandspeople, will I find it on Origins (Scots). I do not want to waste money joining Origins if they do not have data that Scotlands people have? (Very expensive from South Africa due to exchange rate!) I am looking for the birth of my great, great grandmother, Elizabeth Maxwell Irvine Payne abt 1847 - we believe Scotland, and or her two sisters, Jemima Harrison Lamond Payne abt 1843 - Catherine Hathie Lamond Payne abt 1845. Their parents were married 1841 Gorbals, Lanark. Elizabeth was married 1869 Tradestone Glasgow. I can not seem to find them on Scotlandspeople, or I am doing something wrong? kindest regards from South Africa MARK A BARKER MARK A BARKER P R E T O R I A

Snip > Could someone tell me, if I cannot find a birth/baptism on > Scotlandspeople, will I find it on Origins (Scots). I do not want to waste > money joining Origins if they do not have data that Scotlands people have? > (Very expensive from South Africa due to exchange rate!) Good evening Mark, Don't mean to be negative but there are many gaps in the OPR's ( pre 1855 registrations) The Old Parish Registers (OPR's) comprise the records of births & baptisms, banns & marriages and deaths & burials kept by individual parishes of the Established Church (Church of Scotland) before the introduction of civil registration in 1855. The parish minister or the session clerk usually assumed responsibility for maintaining the registers, but since there was no standard format employed, record keeping varied enormously from parish to parish and also from year to year. Registration in Church of Scotland's registers was costly and unpopular, so many people did not bother to register events at all. One has to take this into consideration along with religeon of the person sought. I.E. A few RC Birth's and Marriages turn up . I often refer to the "Kirk Session Minutes " for the Church of Scotland & Secession Churches , There are also some records of other denominations, such as the Congregational, Methodist, Unitarian churches, as well as records of Quakers. The Kirk Session Minutes contain records of fornication, poor rolls, mortcloth accounts (good for finding deaths) and some baptisms and marriages not entered in the Old Parish Registers Unfortunately ,while most are now digitised at NAS , they are not (yet) available on SP .. Regards John John D. Stevenson Edinburgh Scotland.

On the 1851 census it states that all three girls were born in Glasgow. regards Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Barker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:13 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] SCOTLANDSPEOPLE / ORIGINS (SCOTS) > Could someone tell me, if I cannot find a birth/baptism on > Scotlandspeople, will I find it on Origins (Scots). I do not want to waste > money joining Origins if they do not have data that Scotlands people have? > (Very expensive from South Africa due to exchange rate!) > > > I am looking for the birth of my great, great grandmother, Elizabeth > Maxwell Irvine Payne abt 1847 - we believe Scotland, and or her two > sisters, Jemima Harrison Lamond Payne abt 1843 - Catherine Hathie Lamond > Payne abt 1845. Their parents were married 1841 Gorbals, Lanark. Elizabeth > was married 1869 Tradestone Glasgow. > > I can not seem to find them on Scotlandspeople, or I am doing something > wrong? > > > > kindest regards from South Africa > > > MARK A BARKER > > MARK A BARKER > P R E T O R I A > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Who were their parents? Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Barker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:13 PM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] SCOTLANDSPEOPLE / ORIGINS (SCOTS) > Could someone tell me, if I cannot find a birth/baptism on > Scotlandspeople, will I find it on Origins (Scots). I do not want to waste > money joining Origins if they do not have data that Scotlands people have? > (Very expensive from South Africa due to exchange rate!) > > > I am looking for the birth of my great, great grandmother, Elizabeth > Maxwell Irvine Payne abt 1847 - we believe Scotland, and or her two > sisters, Jemima Harrison Lamond Payne abt 1843 - Catherine Hathie Lamond > Payne abt 1845. Their parents were married 1841 Gorbals, Lanark. Elizabeth > was married 1869 Tradestone Glasgow. > > I can not seem to find them on Scotlandspeople, or I am doing something > wrong? > > > > kindest regards from South Africa > > > MARK A BARKER > > MARK A BARKER > P R E T O R I A > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Toni out there in Ontario Thank you for the 1871 Census and the info on my Alexander which is the first of the ones you listed. It also shows how one could be misled by wrong spellings. The name Owens shows on one certificate as Ovens, which was the name I started out perusing. The 1871 also shows the John Ovans, Mary's brother and no doubt the connection between the two families. I appreciate your time and effort. Have a great day and thanks again. Cheers Janet in a very dry hot New Zealand.