----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] LAING > Hi Toni, > > I think I am throwing a monkey wrench in this theory, but my > gg-grandfather > was Alexander Baptie who was Elizabeth Laing's 2nd husband after the death > of > Robert Archibald. I guess that would still make us cousins, but if you > would, > could you explain this relationship to me. I guess I ought to have asked this first, but never thought of it (sorry) ... Is Elizabeth LAING your 2 x great-grandmother as well, or is she your step- 2 x great-grandmother? [From the above, it sounds as if you do not descend from Elizabeth.] If step-2 x g-gm, then you share _ no _ blood relationship with Jean. As you don't descend from Robert whose brother (hoping I have this bit correct) also married a LAING sister, you wouldn't be related on that side anyway. Sorry for the confusion! Toni

----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Dempster" Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] All the Laing's > Toni? Where do you fit in. I don't at all. > Are you related? or were you just kindly > explaining the relationship to Gretchen? Was just trying to explain to Gretchen and Jean, as originally they weren't sure how they were related to one another. Toni ~ Also in Ontario

Re; JOHN EDWARD GILL, Could any one have any information about JOHN EDWARD GILL & His brother WILLIAM GILL, being born maybe in Perth, or Midlothian, between 1715 to 1720, As JOHN EDWARD GILL and his brother WILLIAM GILL, fought in the battle of Cauldron at Preston Pan, were married on the 1st June 1746, then sailed to Barbados, JOHN EDWARD GILL, married one JANNET STEWART, WILLIAM , married one MARGARET ???? they both were married in Midlothian, Edinburgh , Parish , Church, the same day, they were either Immigrated or Banished , from Scotland , for fighting with Bonnie PRINCE CHARLES, went to Barbados, had their children there, as those, Especially JOHN EDWARD GILL Are my Ancestors, If possible any one has any information on them I would Appreciate it for any help, or how can I get a Census done for about 10 years before that time or coming up to 1746, so that I can find WHO were JOHN EDWARD GILL & JANNET STEWART parents, Would Appreciate any help that can be given, I have JOHN EDWARD GILL , children in Barbados also WILLIAM GILL own down the line to my grand mother, Most THANKFUL to any one , who can point me in the right directions PLEASE MANY THANKS TO ALL Rita Henry MURPHY ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 10:13 PM Subject: MIDLOTHIAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 47 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: LAING (Jean Campbell) > 2. Re: Charles Gillies and Catherine Gray ([email protected]) > 3. Re: Elizabeth Laing (Bob McEwan) > 4. Re: Elizabeth Laing (Liz Dempster) > 5. Re: Elizabeth Laing (Bob McEwan) > 6. Re: Elizabeth Laing (Bob McEwan) > 7. Re: LAING (Trena) > 8. Re: Elizabeth Laing (Liz Dempster) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:11:16 +1100 > From: Jean Campbell <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] LAING > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hello Liz, Bob and Gretchen > Yes, we're all connected to the same family. I was at the GROS in > Edinburgh last year and have the earliest as- > William LAING married Elizabeth FINLAY 1777 irregularly in Edinburgh and > recorded Inveresk p. > Children, all born Inveresk p. were David 1778, Jean 1781, William 1783, > Janet 1785, William 1788. I have exact birth dates, baptism dates and > witnesses. > There may have been a child named Pringle, as there is a death of a > Pringle LAING in 1821 in Inveresk, (aged 32yrs) with father William LAING. > William b 1788 married Jean / Jane ADAMSON 1807 Newton p. > > Gretchen, your Elizabeth LAING first married Robert ARCHIBALD. Her > sister Christian LAING married James ARCHIBALD, who were my gg > grandparents. Two sisters married two brothers. > > Liz, it is wet with wild storms in Sydney, Australia but very humid and > hot when the sun shines. > > Jean > > > > [email protected] wrote: >> Hi Liz, Bob, and Jean, >> >> I think that I too am connected way back there someplace. My >> gggrandfather >> Alexander BAPTIE married Elizbeth LAING whose parents were William LAING >> and >> Jean/Jane ADAMSON. Same family??? They had three children, William >> (1853), >> George(1860) and Charles(1856). >> >> gretchen >> Michigan >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:26:36 EST > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Charles Gillies and Catherine Gray > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hello, I am searching for a Charles Gillies and his wife (no marriage > record > located)) Catherine Gray. They are the parents of Catherine Mc Rae nee > Gillies > (from her death certificate) born circa 1813, said to be born (census > record) > in Edinburgh. Does anyone have knowledge of them or where to look beside > Scotland's People and The Latter Day Saint (LDS i.e. Mormon site)? > I would also like to pursue the Poor Records in Leith (both North and > South > in the late 1880's. Where can I write for a search of the records? > Thank you for your assistance. > Best Wishes, > Pat Blend > > > ************** > Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL > Living. > > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:39:48 -0500 > From: Bob McEwan <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Marie & Gretchen > > I don't have a James born to David And Elizabeth Stevenson maybe connected > to one of the other brothers. > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: February 15, 2008 9:40 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing > > Hi Marie, > > If I am reading your info correctly, your James LAING is a descendent of > David LAING. David is the brother of Elizabeth LAING whose second > marriage > was to > Alexander BAPTIE who was my great-great grandfather, making Elizabeth my > great-great grandmother. I don't know what that makes you to me, but it > sure does > make us related somehow.........grin!!!! > > gretchen > Michigan > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:51:28 -0500 > From: "Liz Dempster" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, Bob, Gretchen, Marie, Jean and Faye: > > I have attached a report for William Laing and Jean Adamson. The children > were found on Family search, and also sent by Jean Campbell from the list. > > So far for the researchers we have myself, Bob, Gretchen, Marie, and Jean > and Faye. Then as soon as I have contact again with the two others I have > encountered we will have 8 decendants of this Laing family, related to > different decendants or William and Jean Adamson. > > Jean has also listed an Andrew from the 1851 census, but I have not found > him listed with the family and am asking her through this email which > Andrew > it was found. I found one, but only he was listed... > > William and Jean's children were probably all married or moved on by the > 1841 census so it may be hard to catch a picture of the entire family > living > together. We may have to wait until we find death records which will > prove > the parents. > > The LDS has had someone research this family as all of the records > indicate > the records had been extracted, or submitted by a church member, but on > line > I don't know how to find the ancestral file to find out who the submitter > was, and hope that there is a contact (i.e. email?) that would be current. > > Do any of you use the FHC centres near you. I have a cousin who is a > researcher in a city near a large FHC and may be able to do a search for > me. > Your thoughts? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob McEwan" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing > > >> Hi Marie & Gretchen >> >> I don't have a James born to David And Elizabeth Stevenson maybe >> connected >> to one of the other brothers. >> >> Bob >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: February 15, 2008 9:40 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing >> >> Hi Marie, >> >> If I am reading your info correctly, your James LAING is a descendent of >> David LAING. David is the brother of Elizabeth LAING whose second >> marriage >> was to >> Alexander BAPTIE who was my great-great grandfather, making Elizabeth my >> great-great grandmother. I don't know what that makes you to me, but it >> sure does >> make us related somehow.........grin!!!! >> >> gretchen >> Michigan >> >> >> >> **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy >> Awards. Go to AOL Music. >> (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:24:02 -0500 > From: Bob McEwan <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Hi > Do you know where the Robertson comes from? > Also do you know William and Jane's Parents? > > Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: February 14, 2008 9:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing > > I read your e-mail. I have a William Laing married to a Jane Adamson. > They have 8 children and one of them is named Elizabeth born October 20, > 1820, in Newton Midlothian. > > My connection with the family is the eldest brother of Elizabeth - James > Robertson Laing. I have some marriages of Elizabeth brothers and > sisters. > > I also have to birth dates and places of the brothers and sisters. > > If this is any heltp to you. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:58:54 -0500 > From: Bob McEwan <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Jean > > A couple of questions > > Are you sure about William and Elizabeth Finlay as parents as some of the > naming patterns seem to be off? > I think Liz already asked you about Andrew b1830 in the 1851 census I cant > find any trace of him. He is not with the family in 1841. > > Bob > > Hello Liz, Bob and Gretchen > Yes, we're all connected to the same family. I was at the GROS in > Edinburgh last year and have the earliest as- > William LAING married Elizabeth FINLAY 1777 irregularly in Edinburgh and > recorded Inveresk p. > Children, all born Inveresk p. were David 1778, Jean 1781, William 1783, > Janet 1785, William 1788. I have exact birth dates, baptism dates and > witnesses. > There may have been a child named Pringle, as there is a death of a > Pringle LAING in 1821 in Inveresk, (aged 32yrs) with father William LAING. > William b 1788 married Jean / Jane ADAMSON 1807 Newton p. > > Gretchen, your Elizabeth LAING first married Robert ARCHIBALD. Her > sister Christian LAING married James ARCHIBALD, who were my gg > grandparents. Two sisters married two brothers. > > Liz, it is wet with wild storms in Sydney, Australia but very humid and > hot when the sun shines. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jean Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: February 15, 2008 6:41 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing > > Hello Laing researchers. > I have the following as children of William Laing and Jean / Jane Adamson. > 1. James Laing b 1807 m Jane King > 2. William Laing b 1809 m Jane Heugh > 3. Christian Laing b 1811 m James Archibald > 4. Jean Laing b 1814 > 5. Nancy Laing b 1816 m George McGill > 6. Alexander Laing b 1819 m Helen Tyrie /Terry > 7. Elizabeth Laing b 1820 m 1. Robert Archibald 2. Alexander Baptie > 8. David Laing b 1823 m Elizabeth Stevenson > All of the above is from the Parish Register of Newton, obtained from > GROS in Edinburgh. The registers did not record witnesses. > > 9. John Laing b 1827 (from 1851census) possibly married Catherine Gilroy > 10. Margaret Laing b 1829 m Robert Vass (Margaret died 1901 Inveresk p.) > 11. Andrew Laing bc 1830 (from 1851 census) > 12. Catherine Laing bc 1833 (Not sure of this one. Didn't get a chance > to check.) > > Jean > Liz, if you want more details, please contact me off list. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:50:21 -0500 > From: "Trena" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] LAING > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean Campbell" > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:11 AM > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] LAING > > >> Gretchen, your Elizabeth LAING first married Robert ARCHIBALD. Her >> sister Christian LAING married James ARCHIBALD, who were my gg >> grandparents. Two sisters married two brothers. > > Jean, > > In this case, you and Gretchen are full 4th cousins (4C) as you share the > same 3 x g-grandparents. As their two daughters married two brothers, the > brothers' parents would also be your 3 x g-grandparents. "Double 4C"? I > don't think there is an 'official' designation of the 'double' part. > > Toni > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:14:49 -0500 > From: "Liz Dempster" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Bob; > Not yet on either question. There is a death date for William, but it is > before the statutory registration so we probably won't find that in > Scotlandspeople just yet. I think that came from a prior researcher. > > I have seen Jean/Jane listed for Williams wife. > > We just have to keep plugging away! > > Liz > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob McEwan" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 3:24 PM > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing > > >> >> Hi >> Do you know where the Robertson comes from? >> Also do you know William and Jane's Parents? >> >> Bob >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: February 14, 2008 9:43 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing >> >> I read your e-mail. I have a William Laing married to a Jane Adamson. >> They have 8 children and one of them is named Elizabeth born October 20, >> 1820, in Newton Midlothian. >> >> My connection with the family is the eldest brother of Elizabeth - James >> Robertson Laing. I have some marriages of Elizabeth brothers and >> sisters. >> >> I also have to birth dates and places of the brothers and sisters. >> >> If this is any heltp to you. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MIDLOTHIAN list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the MIDLOTHIAN mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MIDLOTHIAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 47 > ***************************************** >

Hello, Thanks Toni for the rundown on the cousins. I have always used the first, second third cousin terminology, but when I started using the Family Tree Maker software it sort of confused me with the first cousin 4 times removed on one of the charts. Thoroughly threw me off. I had at one point thought that we should take all our figurings off list, then thought that we would miss out on anymore "cousins" joining in. I have never had so much contact from the list in my 7 years researching. And this is not a direct line for me, but a branch connected to my Dempsters. I am having so much fun with this one. This is the line that I think will help me with the Dempsters my grandparents left behind when they emmigrated to Canada. The Dempsters they seldom spoke about, save for one brother who kept in touch. I knew my dad had a few relatives left behind, but not who they were. So anymore Laings out there? Feel free to identify yourselves. And Toni, in my Dempsters, and this took me some time to figure out, my grandfather's sister, married my grandmother's brother. Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trena" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] LAING > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 9:40 PM > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] LAING > > >>> Gretchen, your Elizabeth LAING first married Robert ARCHIBALD. Her >>> sister Christian LAING married James ARCHIBALD, who were my gg >>> grandparents. Two sisters married two brothers. >> >> Jean, >> >> In this case, you and Gretchen are full 4th cousins (4C) as you share the >> same 3 x g-grandparents. As their two daughters married two brothers, >> the >> brothers' parents would also be your 3 x g-grandparents. "Double 4C"? >> I >> don't think there is an 'official' designation of the 'double' part. >> >> Toni >> >> Hi Toni, >> >> I think I am throwing a monkey wrench in this theory, but my >> gg-grandfather >> was Alexander Baptie who was Elizabeth Laing's 2nd husband after the >> death >> of >> Robert Archibald. I guess that would still make us cousins, but if you >> would, >> could you explain this relationship to me. >> >> Thanks, >> gretchen > > Forget the husbands for the moment. > > Elizabeth LAING (your 2 x g-gm) and Christian LAING (Jean's 2 x g-gm) were > sisters. > > If they were sisters, the common ancestor(s) to you and Jean are their > parents ~ your 3 x great-grandparents. > > 1) Elizabeth's and Christian's children were 1C to each other (at least > one > from each sister was your's and Jean's 1 x g-grandparent). > > 2) The children of the 1C were 2nd cousins to each other (you and Jean > have > a grandparent in the 2C group). > > 3) The children of the the 2C are 3C to each other (your Mum or Dad and > Jean's Mum or Dad are 3C). > > 4) The children of the 3C are 4C to each other (you and Jean). > > I find it rather more easy than others to figure it out, for I grew up > (almost next door) with 2nd cousins. One of them has grandchildren, as do > I. Our grandchildren are 4C to each other. Plus back home we had close > contact with cousins ranging from my father's and her mother's 2C to our > own > 4C and all the relationships in between (the 'removeds' I mean). I'm now > part of a private Yahoo Group where our 25 members range (relationships to > me) from my 1C to 4C with all the 'removeds' in each main cousin group > (i.e. > my Dad's 1C is one, so he is my 1C1R. Their 2C is also in the group, so > she > is 2C1R to me). It's loads of fun for the rest of us when a 'new found > cousin' comes along and they try to keep each relationship straight! Some > of my cousins in Glasgow on my Mum's side are often confused with these > relationships, but <vbg> they become totally confused when the "half" is > included; our grandfather had 3 wives, with 6, 1 & 5 children from the 3 > ... and some are now great-grandparents (1 x G-GP)! > > There are a number of good relationship charts on the net. > http://www.islandregister.com/cousin.html Print off and keep handy, > remembering to begin with the common ancester (in the case with you and > Jean, it would be your 3 x g-grandparents. Confusion often arises too, > when > you use GGG etc. Hard to keep count/track with all those Gs. > > Hope this has helped you understand how you relate to Jean. I don't know > who the common ancestor is to the others who have this same family > grouping, > so I don't know how they relate to you and Jean. Have been following all > the messages ... although I'm in no way connected myself, but I'm finding > it > all so very interesting (and am excited for all of you), so I hope you > won't > take your conversations off-list!! Also, remember nothing will be in the > archives if you do - so won't be available for anyone else who may happen > along months down the road. > > Good Luck to each of you researching this LAING Family! > Toni > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have been putting all the information in my tree to see how it all fits. I would just like to confirm whose who in the modern day Laing line up. Marie is in Alberta and is connected to James Laing/Barbara Brant. Marie who were James parents? Jean is in Australia and is connected to Christian b 1811 daughter of William Laing and Jean Adamson Bob is in Ontario and is doing research for his sister-in-law and she is connected to David Laing, c1857 Faye is in Canada, the sympatico.ca indicates that, and is related to Elizabeth and James Robertson Laing b 1807 Gretchen is in Michigan and is connected to Elizabeth Laing Archibald, b. 1820 through second marriage to Alexander Baptie I am in Ontario, connected to Robert Laing, b 1877 who married my great aunt Cecilia Dempster Aitken in 1921 Toni? Where do you fit in. Are you related? or were you just kindly explaining the relationship to Gretchen? Does this look ok to everyone? Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 12:34 AM Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing > Hi Liz; > > I think that all of this 'Laing Clan' must say Thank You! for your offer > of working on our tree branches. Yes, we do have a holiday on Monday. > > Marie in Alberta > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] LAING >> Gretchen, your Elizabeth LAING first married Robert ARCHIBALD. Her >> sister Christian LAING married James ARCHIBALD, who were my gg >> grandparents. Two sisters married two brothers. > > Jean, > > In this case, you and Gretchen are full 4th cousins (4C) as you share the > same 3 x g-grandparents. As their two daughters married two brothers, the > brothers' parents would also be your 3 x g-grandparents. "Double 4C"? I > don't think there is an 'official' designation of the 'double' part. > > Toni > > Hi Toni, > > I think I am throwing a monkey wrench in this theory, but my > gg-grandfather > was Alexander Baptie who was Elizabeth Laing's 2nd husband after the death > of > Robert Archibald. I guess that would still make us cousins, but if you > would, > could you explain this relationship to me. > > Thanks, > gretchen Forget the husbands for the moment. Elizabeth LAING (your 2 x g-gm) and Christian LAING (Jean's 2 x g-gm) were sisters. If they were sisters, the common ancestor(s) to you and Jean are their parents ~ your 3 x great-grandparents. 1) Elizabeth's and Christian's children were 1C to each other (at least one from each sister was your's and Jean's 1 x g-grandparent). 2) The children of the 1C were 2nd cousins to each other (you and Jean have a grandparent in the 2C group). 3) The children of the the 2C are 3C to each other (your Mum or Dad and Jean's Mum or Dad are 3C). 4) The children of the 3C are 4C to each other (you and Jean). I find it rather more easy than others to figure it out, for I grew up (almost next door) with 2nd cousins. One of them has grandchildren, as do I. Our grandchildren are 4C to each other. Plus back home we had close contact with cousins ranging from my father's and her mother's 2C to our own 4C and all the relationships in between (the 'removeds' I mean). I'm now part of a private Yahoo Group where our 25 members range (relationships to me) from my 1C to 4C with all the 'removeds' in each main cousin group (i.e. my Dad's 1C is one, so he is my 1C1R. Their 2C is also in the group, so she is 2C1R to me). It's loads of fun for the rest of us when a 'new found cousin' comes along and they try to keep each relationship straight! Some of my cousins in Glasgow on my Mum's side are often confused with these relationships, but <vbg> they become totally confused when the "half" is included; our grandfather had 3 wives, with 6, 1 & 5 children from the 3 ... and some are now great-grandparents (1 x G-GP)! There are a number of good relationship charts on the net. http://www.islandregister.com/cousin.html Print off and keep handy, remembering to begin with the common ancester (in the case with you and Jean, it would be your 3 x g-grandparents. Confusion often arises too, when you use GGG etc. Hard to keep count/track with all those Gs. Hope this has helped you understand how you relate to Jean. I don't know who the common ancestor is to the others who have this same family grouping, so I don't know how they relate to you and Jean. Have been following all the messages ... although I'm in no way connected myself, but I'm finding it all so very interesting (and am excited for all of you), so I hope you won't take your conversations off-list!! Also, remember nothing will be in the archives if you do - so won't be available for anyone else who may happen along months down the road. Good Luck to each of you researching this LAING Family! Toni

In a message dated 2/16/2008 4:26:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Gretchen, your Elizabeth LAING first married Robert ARCHIBALD. Her > sister Christian LAING married James ARCHIBALD, who were my gg > grandparents. Two sisters married two brothers. Jean, In this case, you and Gretchen are full 4th cousins (4C) as you share the same 3 x g-grandparents. As their two daughters married two brothers, the brothers' parents would also be your 3 x g-grandparents. "Double 4C"? I don't think there is an 'official' designation of the 'double' part. Toni Hi Toni, I think I am throwing a monkey wrench in this theory, but my gg-grandfather was Alexander Baptie who was Elizabeth Laing's 2nd husband after the death of Robert Archibald. I guess that would still make us cousins, but if you would, could you explain this relationship to me. Thanks, gretchen **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Hi Liz, We have a FHC about 7-8 miles from here. I use it regularly, but it is only open on Wednesday and Thursday for me. I will definitely try to see what I can find out next Wednesday. gretchen **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

In a message dated 2/16/2008 2:10:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I don't have a James born to David And Elizabeth Stevenson maybe connected to one of the other brothers. Hi Bob, I think that was my fault. I misread what Marie wrote and saw David Laing at the bottom of her letter and just assumed that this was the father . Sorry about that, gretchen **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Bob; Not yet on either question. There is a death date for William, but it is before the statutory registration so we probably won't find that in Scotlandspeople just yet. I think that came from a prior researcher. I have seen Jean/Jane listed for Williams wife. We just have to keep plugging away! Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob McEwan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing > > Hi > Do you know where the Robertson comes from? > Also do you know William and Jane's Parents? > > Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: February 14, 2008 9:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing > > I read your e-mail. I have a William Laing married to a Jane Adamson. > They have 8 children and one of them is named Elizabeth born October 20, > 1820, in Newton Midlothian. > > My connection with the family is the eldest brother of Elizabeth - James > Robertson Laing. I have some marriages of Elizabeth brothers and > sisters. > > I also have to birth dates and places of the brothers and sisters. > > If this is any heltp to you. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

With reference to "Batch Numbers" used in the LDS system, visit the following URL set up by Hugh Wallis. He has links to the batch number files held by the LDS. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#PageTitle or TinyURL for same: http://tinyurl.com/8dkr Batch Number explanation etc via Google: http://tinyurl.com/2kwkpo Bob Cdn ===================================

Hi Jean A couple of questions Are you sure about William and Elizabeth Finlay as parents as some of the naming patterns seem to be off? I think Liz already asked you about Andrew b1830 in the 1851 census I cant find any trace of him. He is not with the family in 1841. Bob Hello Liz, Bob and Gretchen Yes, we're all connected to the same family. I was at the GROS in Edinburgh last year and have the earliest as- William LAING married Elizabeth FINLAY 1777 irregularly in Edinburgh and recorded Inveresk p. Children, all born Inveresk p. were David 1778, Jean 1781, William 1783, Janet 1785, William 1788. I have exact birth dates, baptism dates and witnesses. There may have been a child named Pringle, as there is a death of a Pringle LAING in 1821 in Inveresk, (aged 32yrs) with father William LAING. William b 1788 married Jean / Jane ADAMSON 1807 Newton p. Gretchen, your Elizabeth LAING first married Robert ARCHIBALD. Her sister Christian LAING married James ARCHIBALD, who were my gg grandparents. Two sisters married two brothers. Liz, it is wet with wild storms in Sydney, Australia but very humid and hot when the sun shines. -----Original Message----- From: Jean Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: February 15, 2008 6:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing Hello Laing researchers. I have the following as children of William Laing and Jean / Jane Adamson. 1. James Laing b 1807 m Jane King 2. William Laing b 1809 m Jane Heugh 3. Christian Laing b 1811 m James Archibald 4. Jean Laing b 1814 5. Nancy Laing b 1816 m George McGill 6. Alexander Laing b 1819 m Helen Tyrie /Terry 7. Elizabeth Laing b 1820 m 1. Robert Archibald 2. Alexander Baptie 8. David Laing b 1823 m Elizabeth Stevenson All of the above is from the Parish Register of Newton, obtained from GROS in Edinburgh. The registers did not record witnesses. 9. John Laing b 1827 (from 1851census) possibly married Catherine Gilroy 10. Margaret Laing b 1829 m Robert Vass (Margaret died 1901 Inveresk p.) 11. Andrew Laing bc 1830 (from 1851 census) 12. Catherine Laing bc 1833 (Not sure of this one. Didn't get a chance to check.) Jean Liz, if you want more details, please contact me off list.

Hi Do you know where the Robertson comes from? Also do you know William and Jane's Parents? Bob -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: February 14, 2008 9:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing I read your e-mail. I have a William Laing married to a Jane Adamson. They have 8 children and one of them is named Elizabeth born October 20, 1820, in Newton Midlothian. My connection with the family is the eldest brother of Elizabeth - James Robertson Laing. I have some marriages of Elizabeth brothers and sisters. I also have to birth dates and places of the brothers and sisters. If this is any heltp to you.

Hi, Bob, Gretchen, Marie, Jean and Faye: I have attached a report for William Laing and Jean Adamson. The children were found on Family search, and also sent by Jean Campbell from the list. So far for the researchers we have myself, Bob, Gretchen, Marie, and Jean and Faye. Then as soon as I have contact again with the two others I have encountered we will have 8 decendants of this Laing family, related to different decendants or William and Jean Adamson. Jean has also listed an Andrew from the 1851 census, but I have not found him listed with the family and am asking her through this email which Andrew it was found. I found one, but only he was listed... William and Jean's children were probably all married or moved on by the 1841 census so it may be hard to catch a picture of the entire family living together. We may have to wait until we find death records which will prove the parents. The LDS has had someone research this family as all of the records indicate the records had been extracted, or submitted by a church member, but on line I don't know how to find the ancestral file to find out who the submitter was, and hope that there is a contact (i.e. email?) that would be current. Do any of you use the FHC centres near you. I have a cousin who is a researcher in a city near a large FHC and may be able to do a search for me. Your thoughts? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob McEwan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing > Hi Marie & Gretchen > > I don't have a James born to David And Elizabeth Stevenson maybe connected > to one of the other brothers. > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: February 15, 2008 9:40 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing > > Hi Marie, > > If I am reading your info correctly, your James LAING is a descendent of > David LAING. David is the brother of Elizabeth LAING whose second > marriage > was to > Alexander BAPTIE who was my great-great grandfather, making Elizabeth my > great-great grandmother. I don't know what that makes you to me, but it > sure does > make us related somehow.........grin!!!! > > gretchen > Michigan > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Marie & Gretchen I don't have a James born to David And Elizabeth Stevenson maybe connected to one of the other brothers. Bob -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: February 15, 2008 9:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing Hi Marie, If I am reading your info correctly, your James LAING is a descendent of David LAING. David is the brother of Elizabeth LAING whose second marriage was to Alexander BAPTIE who was my great-great grandfather, making Elizabeth my great-great grandmother. I don't know what that makes you to me, but it sure does make us related somehow.........grin!!!! gretchen Michigan **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

Hello, I am searching for a Charles Gillies and his wife (no marriage record located)) Catherine Gray. They are the parents of Catherine Mc Rae nee Gillies (from her death certificate) born circa 1813, said to be born (census record) in Edinburgh. Does anyone have knowledge of them or where to look beside Scotland's People and The Latter Day Saint (LDS i.e. Mormon site)? I would also like to pursue the Poor Records in Leith (both North and South in the late 1880's. Where can I write for a search of the records? Thank you for your assistance. Best Wishes, Pat Blend ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Hello Laing researchers. I have the following as children of William Laing and Jean / Jane Adamson. 1. James Laing b 1807 m Jane King 2. William Laing b 1809 m Jane Heugh 3. Christian Laing b 1811 m James Archibald 4. Jean Laing b 1814 5. Nancy Laing b 1816 m George McGill 6. Alexander Laing b 1819 m Helen Tyrie /Terry 7. Elizabeth Laing b 1820 m 1. Robert Archibald 2. Alexander Baptie 8. David Laing b 1823 m Elizabeth Stevenson All of the above is from the Parish Register of Newton, obtained from GROS in Edinburgh. The registers did not record witnesses. 9. John Laing b 1827 (from 1851census) possibly married Catherine Gilroy 10. Margaret Laing b 1829 m Robert Vass (Margaret died 1901 Inveresk p.) 11. Andrew Laing bc 1830 (from 1851 census) 12. Catherine Laing bc 1833 (Not sure of this one. Didn't get a chance to check.) Jean Liz, if you want more details, please contact me off list. Liz Dempster wrote: > Again, amazed at the action this name has created! > > I have done some more checking and according to familysearch.org, in the > IGI, William and Jane had 11 children. > > The following are records of births and christenings, and a death record for > David Laing: > Each one of these records were submitted by a member of the LDS church, or a > record has been extracted, and some indicated they were submitted after > 1991. There is possibly a way, I think, to find out through films at the > FHC who may have submitted. I don't use the FHC centre so I am not really > sure how that works. .........................

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Campbell" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] LAING > Gretchen, your Elizabeth LAING first married Robert ARCHIBALD. Her > sister Christian LAING married James ARCHIBALD, who were my gg > grandparents. Two sisters married two brothers. Jean, In this case, you and Gretchen are full 4th cousins (4C) as you share the same 3 x g-grandparents. As their two daughters married two brothers, the brothers' parents would also be your 3 x g-grandparents. "Double 4C"? I don't think there is an 'official' designation of the 'double' part. Toni

No, her maiden name is Dempster. The family tree program always uses the maiden names when running reports. She was my grandfather's sister. Robert is acutally her second husband, she lost one in WWI. I have found a birth record for a male, and I cannot confirm as it is past 1906, but his name is Lauchlan John Laing, born in 1925. I am possitive that he is their son, as all my grandfathers were named Lauchlan John. Then I found Robert's death, and the informant was Lauchlan J. Laing, son. So that confirmed that. If you get to any point where you are putting all this in your tree, contact me off line for all the particulars. Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] Elizabeth Laing > Hi Liz, > > Now I am really confused!!!! If Cecilia Dempster is the wife of grandson > Robert, then Robert must be a Dempster, son of one of William's daughter's > who > married a Dempster????? If this is the case, which daughter?? I have a > list of > some of William & Jean's children and who they married compliments of > Jean, > and I don't see a Dempster in them. Help!!!!! > > gretchen > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Again Liz, Sorry, I am having a brain freeze!! Yes, Alexander BAPTIE is the son in law of William LAING and I meant to tell you that somewhere in my messy genealogy pile, I have a relationship chart on paper. I will see how far back it goes. g **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)