Thanks Nivard. I know that Tryphenia had a brother Frederick who married the Patience Sparks who was the other witness on the certificate. He was a widower then and it is possible he is the Frederick Robert mentioned but I haven't been able to connect them. I think I will have to apply for both Tryphenia's and Frederick's birth certificates and see if they come up with the same parents. unless anybody can suggest a better way cheers Sheila -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MDX] Birth certificates and Ancestry.com Hi Sheila The marriage is the actual one as signed so you will not get any more from the GRO or local copy Our marriage registrations do not include the mother except on very odd occasions for an illegitimite childs marriage The way to get the parents would be to obtain the birth certificate England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Tryphenia Sparrow Name: Tryphenia Sparrow Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1863 Registration district: Clerkenwell Inferred County: London Volume: 1b Page: 561 The Frederick SPARROW as a witness fits in with the right family as Ephraim & Elizabeth had a son Frederick Robert in 1849 Frederick appears to follow his fathers footsteps for occupation in 1881 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/10/2012 12:04, Sheila and Brian Longden wrote: > It is the marriage between Tryphenia Sparrow(b 1863) and Edward Wright (b > 1862) on 29 Jun 1880 at Clerkenwell St Paul. I was hoping for a bit more > information about her parents as although It tells me her father is > Ephrain > (m) Sparrow I can't find any information to link her to the Ephraim > Sparrow > I find in the census lists. > > > > cheers Sheila ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message