This "could" put Bridget Hyland the widow in this marriage as the "sister in Law" rather than sister of John Hyland in the 1861 census. This would mean that John had a brother that married Bridget Maloy prior to the 1861 census. If Bridget Hyland was aged 40 at this 1877 marriage then that would make her about 23/24 year of age in the 1861 census approximately the same age as Bridget Hyland shown as sister in the household of John Hyland. Maybe she is meant to be shown as sister in law in the 1861 census but the in law part got missed out. If John Hyland could not write, as shown in his marriage certificate that Coleen has, then maybe someone else filled out the household schedule for him and thought that Bridget was his sister not his sister in law. This is just an idea that she could be John's sister in law rather than his sister and would need some work to prove one way or another. Regards Jenny DeAngelis. <<>From Ancestry: London England, Marriages and Banns 1754 - 1921 Bridget HYLAND aged 40yrs Widow married Edward STRETTON aged 55yrs Widower at St.Jude Church, Chelsea on March 26th 1877 Bride and Groom both made their mark 'X' Bridgets father : Bartholomew MALOY (deceased) occupation: Labourer Address of bride: 1 Little College Street, Chelsea The HYLAND's, including Bridget, were living at 6 Little College Street, Chelsea in the 1861 census.>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "COLEEN COLEMAN" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: [MDX] Marriages for Bridget Hyland > How do I locate the right marriage record for the lady named Bridget > Hyland age 23 in 1861 Middlesex with John, Mary and their (2) two > children w/would like ordering all (7) seven certificates? > I would like to find one with her parents possibly being listed as > Thomas and Catherine. > DATES: > Dec 1861 Vol.8d pg.847 > June 1864 vol.6b pg.927 > Sept 1864 6d pg.396 > June 1866 Vol.8e pg.84 > Dec 1866 Vol.8c pg.243 > Dec 1867 vol.8b pg.410 > Mar 1869 vol.6c pg.228 > If someone could get me a quick check on these records and let me > know which one I need to order for my records as I am almost positive > this is my family. > John and Mary came to the US after 1861 (Hence not found in 1860 IL USA > Census) where they were at when oldest daughter Margaret born 1862, > followed by Elizabeth in 1863. > Thanks so much for your help with this family. Coleen in WY USA > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in > CAPITAL letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Jenny - re the Census - what you say makes sense Just a thought In that time frame - Did citizens - fill in the census form themselves ? Or - did an Enumerator come door to door - and request the information - filling in the details in his own hand.? Some may not always - enter complete or absolutely accurate information. as well - the informant/family - may not always give the correct info cheers, Stella At 02:48 PM 07/08/2012, you wrote: >This "could" put Bridget Hyland the widow in this marriage as the "sister in >Law" rather than sister of John Hyland in the 1861 census. This would mean >that John had a brother that married Bridget Maloy prior to the 1861 census. >If Bridget Hyland was aged 40 at this 1877 marriage then that would make her >about 23/24 year of age in the 1861 census approximately the same age as >Bridget Hyland shown as sister in the household of John Hyland. > >Maybe she is meant to be shown as sister in law in the 1861 census but the >in law part got missed out. If John Hyland could not write, as shown in his >marriage certificate that Coleen has, then maybe someone else filled out the >household schedule for him and thought that Bridget was his sister not his >sister in law. > >This is just an idea that she could be John's sister in law rather than his >sister and would need some work to prove one way or another. > >Regards >Jenny DeAngelis. > > ><<>From Ancestry: London England, Marriages and Banns 1754 - 1921 > >Bridget HYLAND aged 40yrs Widow married Edward STRETTON aged 55yrs Widower >at St.Jude Church, Chelsea on March 26th 1877 Bride and Groom both made >their mark 'X' >Bridgets father : Bartholomew MALOY (deceased) occupation: Labourer >Address of bride: 1 Little College Street, Chelsea >The HYLAND's, including Bridget, were living at 6 Little College Street, >Chelsea in the 1861 census.>> > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "COLEEN COLEMAN" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 4:20 PM >Subject: [MDX] Marriages for Bridget Hyland > > > > How do I locate the right marriage record for the lady named Bridget > > Hyland age 23 in 1861 Middlesex with John, Mary and their (2) two > > children w/would like ordering all (7) seven certificates? > > I would like to find one with her parents possibly being listed as > > Thomas and Catherine. > > DATES: > > Dec 1861 Vol.8d pg.847 > > June 1864 vol.6b pg.927 > > Sept 1864 6d pg.396 > > June 1866 Vol.8e pg.84 > > Dec 1866 Vol.8c pg.243 > > Dec 1867 vol.8b pg.410 > > Mar 1869 vol.6c pg.228 > > If someone could get me a quick check on these records and let me > > know which one I need to order for my records as I am almost positive > > this is my family. > > John and Mary came to the US after 1861 (Hence not found in 1860 IL USA > > Census) where they were at when oldest daughter Margaret born 1862, > > followed by Elizabeth in 1863. > > Thanks so much for your help with this family. Coleen in WY USA > > ************************************** > > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > > superfluous old messages in replies. > > > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in > > CAPITAL letters** > > > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >************************************** >Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM >AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > >**MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES >in CAPITAL letters** > >List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Stella The English census was (and is) taken via a paper form (schedule) delivered to each household in advance of census day. The head of the household was required to fill in the form prior to its collection by the enumerator who then copied the information from the form into his summary book for onward transmission to the Registrar General. It is always worth reminding ourselves of this fact before we set too much store in the information we see in those enumerators' books. Our ancestors' handwriting must have often been a real challenge for the hard-pressed and underpaid enumerators. Although they could (and should) have attempted to clarify uncertain entries and "helped" where the form was incomplete, census information can be very unreliable, particularly for families such as this where the head was illiterate. Caroline > > > Hi Jenny - re the Census - what you say makes sense Just a thought In > that time frame - Did citizens - fill in the census form themselves ? > Or - did an Enumerator come door to door - and request the information > - filling in the details in his own hand.? > Some may not always - enter complete or absolutely accurate > information. as well - the informant/family - may not always give the > correct info cheers, Stella >
Free BMD has Marriages Jun 1852 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Chown Charles Westminster 1a 486 Hill Eliza Westminster 1a 486 Hyland Patrick Westminster 1a 486 Mullory Bridget Westminster 1a 486 Which suggests that Patrick Hyland was the brother of John. Also if Bridget was the sister then you would expect to find one of the children of John and Mary named after her. Marilyn http://www.familyhistorynorthants.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Jenny De Angelis > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 2:49 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MDX] Marriages for Bridget Hyland > > > This "could" put Bridget Hyland the widow in this marriage as > the "sister in > Law" rather than sister of John Hyland in the 1861 census. > This would mean > that John had a brother that married Bridget Maloy prior to > the 1861 census. > If Bridget Hyland was aged 40 at this 1877 marriage then that > would make her > about 23/24 year of age in the 1861 census approximately the > same age as > Bridget Hyland shown as sister in the household of John Hyland. > > Maybe she is meant to be shown as sister in law in the 1861 > census but the > in law part got missed out. If John Hyland could not write, > as shown in his > marriage certificate that Coleen has, then maybe someone else > filled out the > household schedule for him and thought that Bridget was his > sister not his > sister in law. > > This is just an idea that she could be John's sister in law > rather than his > sister and would need some work to prove one way or another. > > Regards > Jenny DeAngelis. > > > <<>From Ancestry: London England, Marriages and Banns 1754 - 1921 > > Bridget HYLAND aged 40yrs Widow married Edward STRETTON aged > 55yrs Widower at St.Jude Church, Chelsea on March 26th 1877 > Bride and Groom both made their mark 'X' Bridgets father : > Bartholomew MALOY (deceased) occupation: Labourer Address of > bride: 1 Little College Street, Chelsea The HYLAND's, > including Bridget, were living at 6 Little College Street, > Chelsea in the 1861 census.>> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "COLEEN COLEMAN" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 4:20 PM > Subject: [MDX] Marriages for Bridget Hyland > > > > How do I locate the right marriage record for the lady > named Bridget > > Hyland age 23 in 1861 Middlesex with John, Mary and their (2) two > > children w/would like ordering all (7) seven certificates? > > I would like to find one with her parents possibly being > listed as > > Thomas and Catherine. > > DATES: > > Dec 1861 Vol.8d pg.847 > > June 1864 vol.6b pg.927 > > Sept 1864 6d pg.396 > > June 1866 Vol.8e pg.84 > > Dec 1866 Vol.8c pg.243 > > Dec 1867 vol.8b pg.410 > > Mar 1869 vol.6c pg.228 > > If someone could get me a quick check on these records and let me > > know which one I need to order for my records as I am > almost positive > > this is my family. John and Mary came to the US after 1861 > (Hence not > > found in 1860 IL USA > > Census) where they were at when oldest daughter Margaret born 1862, > > followed by Elizabeth in 1863. Thanks so much for your > help with this > > family. Coleen in WY USA > > ************************************** > > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always > **TRIM AWAY** > > superfluous old messages in replies. > > > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with > SURNAMES in > > CAPITAL letters** > > > > List Admin can be contacted at: > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always > **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with > SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2196 / Virus Database: 2425/5183 - Release > Date: 08/07/12 >