ok John and Mary (Dwyer) Hyland married 1853 Stepney Middlesex England, 2 children born to these two people, JOhn born 1855 and Margaret born 1859. Apparently the children stayed behind and lived with Malachy and Bridget Hyland. I found a John Hyland matching his date of birth on a Google Search saying he married Julia Charlotte Brown in Kensington Chelsea Middlesex. Also found a Margaret living with Malachy and Bridget and married either Joseph MILTON or James MAYLER. Apparently it was decided that the children stay with their family rather than travel with their parents to the US where they settled in Iowa in the US. Who was Malachy|? Who was Bridget prior to her becoming Mrs. Malachy Hyland? Was Malachy a brother to my John born Ireland? Mary Dwyer who married John apparently born in Edinburgh Scotland in Midlothia but need an 1851 census index check. Posted to [email protected] and [email protected]

I'm going to break this down. COLEEN COLEMAN wrote: > ok John and Mary (Dwyer) Hyland married 1853 Stepney Middlesex > England, Is this the marriage you are referring to: Marriages Jun 1853 DWYER Mary Stepney 1c 1033 HYLAND John Stepney 1c 1033 Do you have the marriage certificate to confirm John did marry Mary and not Johannah GOULD? Stepney is the *registration* district. It does not necessarily mean the parish or district of London or Middlesex known as Stepney. You would need the parish registers on Ancestry or the marriage certificate to confirm the actual place. There is another marriage: Marriages Dec 1854 HYLAND John Stepney 1c 1046 One bride is Sarah KENT but the other one is not shown There are two other marriages in the same general area of London for a John HYLAND. > 2 children born to these two people, JOhn born 1855 and Margaret > born 1859. Apparently the children stayed behind and lived with > Malachy and Bridget Hyland. *Where* were John and Margaret born? Births Mar 1854 Hyland John Chelsea 1a 139 The above is most likely the John who married in Kensington. Births Jun 1856 HYLAND John James Stepney 1c 439 He subsequently married Sarah SHALL/SHOLL/SHELL in Hackney Registration District Births Dec 1856 Hyland John Stepney 1c 440 One of these two Johns is most likely the son of the John who married in Stepney. There are no birth registrations at all for a Margaret in your time frame. That doesn't mean there weren't any. It means the GRO has no entry for a Margaret either because there isn't one or the local registrar missed it out of the return or the GRO missed it out of their index. > I found a John Hyland matching his date of birth on a Google Search > saying he married Julia Charlotte Brown in Kensington Chelsea > Middlesex. These all seem to have been posted by you. Do you have any evidence, such as a marriage certificate, to say that John HYLAND and Julia Charlotte BROWN did marry each other? A man born in the East End of London isn't very likely to have married a girl from the more upmarket West End of London. Kensington wasn't wholly upmarket then but it was generally of a higher social level than the East End. That is also not to say the whole of the East End was poor. Also Kensington and Chelsea are two different districts of London, not one. > Also found a Margaret living with Malachy and Bridget and married > either Joseph MILTON or James MAYLER. Where did you find this? As I have already said the James MAYLER marriage is unlikely because it is in totally the wrong part of England. Why do you think this is a possible marriage? What reasons do you have for thinking Margaret travelled to the opposite end of the country to marry? There is a birth registration for a Margaret in the right area (December quarter 1860 Chorlton Registration District) for the marriage to James MAYLER but it's not likely to be the Margaret you are looking for. I think you should forget about James MAYLER. For a girl who was apparently born in the east part of London, the marriage in Poplar Registration District possibly to Joseph MILTON *or Matthew AKINS*. > Who was Malachy|? Who was Bridget prior to her becoming Mrs. > Malachy Hyland? Was Malachy a brother to my John born Ireland? Again, you have NOT given a source for this information and no other information. These are questions you will have to answer yourself. There's no marriage that I can see on FreeBMD for a Malachi or Malachy HYLAND between 1840 and 1860. Bridget generally regarded as an Irish name. If you want people to help you, you must give names, dates, places and, most importantly, the source of your information. The reasons why you believe you have the right connections is also helpful. You know what and who you are talking about but the list doesn't. Connie in London