COLEEN COLEMAN wrote: > I have a marriage record for John and Mary Hyland in 1853 giving > his parents as Thomas and Catherine Hyland. Where are you getting the idea Catherine was John's mother????? You are *NOT* getting this from an English marriage cert because it is not given. Was there is a witness to John's marriage who was called Catherine? If so, she *might* be his mother but it's equally possible she *could* be his grandmother, his sister, his aunt, his cousin, his sister in law or any other female relative. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk