Elaine Jefferson wrote: > I appreciate your input on the French kids but as most were born pre civil > registration and I will never know who the kids were or place of birtht, > They could have been born anywhere in United Kingdom, not just London as > the father being a Tailor he must have moved around along with his spouse > and kids This so rings a bell with me!! :)) My maternal great great grandfather's brother was also a tailor who apparently never married. He turns up in the 1901 census with a grandson and a wife and in the 1911 with another grandson and claiming *15* children; yet in no census did he have a single child with him let alone up to any up to that many! It turned out Great Great Uncle Alex had got friendly with his brother's next door neighbour's wife and had run off with her and all the children were HERS, not his at all. > Checked Free BMD indexes to the point I do not know. Sure there are some > familiar names in the Deaths but no ages shown which is a pity Pancras > covers a fair bit of ground and it does contain Regents Park, which to me > is a clue, but I stll do not know anymore today than 20 year ago, Just the > 1841 Census shows some of the kids and the 1851 no kids at all to me that > is surprising. But I shall keep on looking and perhaps one day the family > might appear or, they could be there and I just don't know it, Have you tried www.freereg.org.uk ? They are part of FreeUK to which FreeBMD and FreeCen also belong. What about the new FamilySearch and also Ancestry's parish registers? FindMyPast has a growing number of parish registers for Westminster and Ancestry are continuing to index the registers they've digitised for London. Don't forget that as the children got old enough to work they would have been sent out to work as domestic servants or been apprenticed. Some could have been visiting relatives at the time of the census. You can find out whether any of those who died before 1866 are of the family in question by ordering the certificates *without* the reference and checking the box to say you don't have it. This will allow you to add reference checking points. If it matches, then you'll get the cert. If it doesn't, you'll get a full refund. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk