Hi Jenny Thanks for the info on JOHN HENRY PAYNE my Gt Grandfather. A bit of a mystery with him, I did find a document with his, what I thought was his Masters No. but it turned out to belong to another chap. Maybe he didn't sit for his Masters cetrificate? His grandmothers name was HOWMAN not Hensman as Ancestry has it down as. I haven't got Ancestry I use Find My Past for my research. My biggest headache is looking for my grandfather Albert Thompson, according to my Mum he was German and at some point sailed on the same ship as John. You seem to me, like myself on a few lists, I have seen you on the Norfolk list. Thanks once again for the information Anne On 18/07/2012 15:31, Jenny De Angelis wrote: > Hi Anne, > > I expect you have found this 1861 entry but thought I would send you the > reference for it so that you can find it for yourself if you haven't already > seen it. > > The entry is for JOhn Payne aged 19 Able Seaman, born Cromer. He is on the > vessel Wenslydale, (transcribed on Ancestry as Wensbydale). The ref. for > the entry is RG9 piece 4514 folio 25 there is no page number as each ship > has it's own schedule which is handed to the master just before he sets sail > on the voyage that will take him and his crew away over census night, in > this case 7th april 1861. The master was responsible for filling out the > schedule for his crew, any passengers he might be carrying, and the details > of his vessel. Each vessel is counted as an enumeration district in it's own > right. The schedule duly completed was to be handed in to the Registrar of > shipping at the next port of call that the vessel made or to the British > Consul in that place if no registrar was available, otherwise it was to be > handed in to the registrar of shipping once the ship returned home. > > In case you are not aware you can view the description of the vessel on the > Ancestry site, this appears on the front page of the schedule which you can > find by going to this entry then clicking on the name of the ship at the top > of the page. This takes you to a page showing an alphabetical list of all > vessel names and you can scroll down to find Wensbydale. Once there click > on the link to the right of the name, View description of Enumeration > District, and this will bring up the front page of the schedule for this > vessel giving her home port, here official number, her trade and tonnage and > her compass position etc., at midnight on census night. You will see that > the Wensleydale was in West Hartlepool on census night. All of this helps > to put together a picture of a man's life at sea. > > Hope this helps > Regards > Jenny DeAngelis > > > <<In particular CHARLOTTE CLARA SCHRODER nee PAYNE. Charlotte was born in > October 1872 in Cromer Norfolk. She married RICHARD WILLIAM LEOPOLD > Schroder in 1899 in West Hartlepool. The couple has to my knowledge 3 > children RICHARD born 1901, Leopold born 1902 and died September 1908, > and LILY born 1904. Lily married THOMAS TOMLINSON from Greatham and had > seveal children including Ronald and Alice. In the early 40's late 30's > the family moved to Brentford Middlesex and after Charlottes husband > died she moved to Brentford (Basildene Rd) where Charlotte died in 1947. > Any information on Charlotte would be gratefully appreciated and what > happened to her grandchildren>> > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >