I too have been frustrated with the records with the online records from the archive. Here's what I'm looking for. My gr gr gr grandfather, Frederick Grant, was born in December 1839. His baptism is recorded a month later in St. John Evangelist, Smith Square. His parents were John & Anne Grant. John was a messenger for the Exchequer. As far as I can tell, there was no registered birth record. I would love to be shown that I was wrong! I can't find them in the 1841 or 1851 censes. In 1855 he joins the Royal Marines in Woolwich. His records after this are good - military, census and marriage records. In 1863 he marries in Yorkshire. The marriage record states that his father was Frederick Grant, lawyer. His military records state that his mother was Anne Grant. One of his military records states that he had been training to be a grocer. Not all of St. John's records are online at ancestry or at findmypast. Don't know where to turn next. any help appreciated Stephen Pegler check out my blog! http://peglermusings.blogspot.com/ I shall rise from the dead.... I shall see the Son of God, the Sun of Glory, and shine myself as that sun shines. I shall be united to the Ancient of Days, to God Himself, who had no morning, never began.... No man ever saw God and lived. And yet, I shall not live till I see God; and when I have seen him, I shall never die. John Donne

Stphen, There is a Frederick Grant age one in the 1841 Census in Robinson's Place Lambeth Surrey. He is in the household of George & Jane Underwood and their 3 children. Could he be with an Uncle / Aunt? Regards, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Pegler" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 12:08 AM Subject: [MDX] advice/help appreciated on deadend >I too have been frustrated with the records with the online records from >the archive. > > > Here's what I'm looking for. > > > My gr gr gr grandfather, Frederick Grant, was born in December 1839. His > baptism is recorded a month later in St. John Evangelist, Smith Square. > His parents were John & Anne Grant. John was a messenger for the > Exchequer. > > > As far as I can tell, there was no registered birth record. I would love > to be shown that I was wrong! > > > I can't find them in the 1841 or 1851 censes. > > > In 1855 he joins the Royal Marines in Woolwich. His records after this > are good - military, census and marriage records. > > > In 1863 he marries in Yorkshire. The marriage record states that his > father was Frederick Grant, lawyer. > > > His military records state that his mother was Anne Grant. > > > One of his military records states that he had been training to be a > grocer. > > > Not all of St. John's records are online at ancestry or at findmypast. > > > Don't know where to turn next. > > > any help appreciated > > > Stephen Pegler > check out my blog! > http://peglermusings.blogspot.com/ > > I shall rise from the dead.... I shall see the Son of God, the Sun of > Glory, and shine myself as that sun shines. I shall be united to the > Ancient of Days, to God Himself, who had no morning, never began.... No > man ever saw God and lived. And yet, I shall not live till I see God; and > when I have seen him, I shall never die. John Donne > > > > > > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in > CAPITAL letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

HI Stephen I found that family of frederick Grant with the son Frederick in the 1841 census, the wife of Frederick senior is called Frances and he is a Solicitor. The son Frederick was born around 1835 and is aged 6 in the 1841 census. The family are in the Hamlet of Brompton Kensington and the ref is HO107 piece 690 Book/ED10 folio 3 page 1 I have pointed out this 1841 entry to show you that there was another Grant family with a son Frederick and that matches the details of the father on the marriage you have. You need to be aware of this family if you haven't come across them in the census before. Other children in this family are Charles, Robert & Fanny. Are you sure you have the right marriage of your Frederick Grant in 1863 Yorkshire? You haven't got your wires crossed have you? Maybe the baptism you have found is not for your Frederick but the marriage is? In the 1871 census I found what I think must be your Frederick Grant with wife Emma living at Rochester Kent. Frederick's occupation is as a Mate born Middlesex London. His wife Emma was born in Kent so why would they marry in Yorkshire? Ancesty have indexed Frederick's birth place as Longham Middlesex but on the image it is shown as Middlesex, London. I have put the ref for this entry below to make it easy for you to find it if you don't already have it. I looked on FreeBMD for the 1863 marriage you mentioned for Frederick in Yorkshire. I found the marriage in the Dec. Qtr. 1863 and the names of the two females on the same page are Ann Eliza Goudlass & Mary Ann Norton, not sign of an Emma on that page of marriages. On FreeBMD I did find a more suitable marriage Dec. Qtr. 1869 Medway registration district volume 2a page 684 where an Emma Tull is shown on the same page. Medway is an area of Kent so this really does fit with Emma's home county and where they were in 1871. I think in the 1871 that you might find Emma's parents are living in the same building as the Grants because there is just a single / between the Grant household and that of the Tull household indicating the same house different households within it. That household begins with Robert Tull and wife Sarah A. the ref. for this 1871 census entry is RG10 piece 903 folio 30 page 10. Maybe Frederick Grant was not born in the Westminster area but elsewhere in the country but his parents may have either moved into Westminster just prior to his baptism there or else they were living elsewhere but chose to have him baptised at Westminster. Maybe one or other of the parents had family living in the Westminster area or had lived there for a time their self and chose to have their son baptised there. I hope something here helps you to get re-started on your research of Frederick Grant's family. Regards Jenny DeAngelis <<I too have been frustrated with the records with the online records from the archive. Here's what I'm looking for. My gr gr gr grandfather, Frederick Grant, was born in December 1839. His baptism is recorded a month later in St. John Evangelist, Smith Square. His parents were John & Anne Grant. John was a messenger for the Exchequer. As far as I can tell, there was no registered birth record. I would love to be shown that I was wrong! I can't find them in the 1841 or 1851 censes. In 1855 he joins the Royal Marines in Woolwich. His records after this are good - military, census and marriage records. In 1863 he marries in Yorkshire. The marriage record states that his father was Frederick Grant, lawyer. His military records state that his mother was Anne Grant. One of his military records states that he had been training to be a grocer. Not all of St. John's records are online at ancestry or at findmypast.>>