Hello again, As I have posted, I am searching for information about the parents of my great great grandfather, Samuel Rawlins, who was baptized with is brother Alfred and sister Mary at St. Barnabas Finsbury in October of 1845. Samuel's birthdate was given as May 3, 1839, his brother was born in 1842 and his sister born in 1844. Samuel's father was also a Samuel Rawlins whose trade was "watch finisher". His mother's name was Mary (?). They were living on Rahere Street at the time of the baptism. I have searched all online English Census records for these people to no avail. There do not seem to be records in the BMD for any of the children mentioned. I have often thought that these may not have been the only children in the family. The one US census record found for my ancestor (1880) states that Samuel Rawlins (Jr) was born in Ireland and his parents were born in England. Where in England is the question!! Samuel Jr left Ireland in 1867 for the US. He worked in the shipping trade for several years in the States before establishing permanent residence in 1875, Samuel obviously returned to England sometime between 1871 and 1872 because there is another passenger record for him leaving Liverpool again in 1872 with a watch maker, James Marshea and his sister, Ellen, from Wolverhampton. Needless to say, James Marshea was the son of a Jeweler/Watchmaker, James D. Marshea who was born in Birmingham but grew up in Clerkenwell. James D. Marshea appears to have been a contemporary of my Samuel Rawlins Sr. and the two may have worked together. The Marshea family also traveled from town to town but can be tracked in the census records. It appears that my Rawlins ancestors traveled to Ireland and back again. I have examined all of the English online directories on Ancestry and on other online sites and find no trace of my family. I have also searched both FMP and Ancestry for birth, marriage and death records for Samuel Sr. and wife Mary. I spent four years working with a researcher in Ireland trying to find a "trace" of these folks. I do think I found a mention of my great great grandfather, Samuel jr. working in Belfast in 1858 in a pawn shop in article found on the new British Newspaper Archive site. Again, I have found no direct information on the family in the Irish sites online. I should say, I have ordered quite a few Birth, Marriage and Death records in hopes of making a connection. I believe that my ancestor, Samuel Rawlins Sr., was one of the "working' poor in the 19th century. Owning no property, working for others, and probably traveling around quite a bit makes him difficult to track. One thing we do know, is that he waited to baptize his children in Islington. There are other Rawlins families in Middlesex and a few earlier records at St. Lukes Old Street for them which might have significance. I am just not certain. Perhaps there are other resources that can be checked at the LMA that would connect the dots? Information for this line of my family has come in bits and pieces. I am hopeful that one day, I will discover just who Samuel and Mary Rawlins were. Thanks for listening again.... Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Caroline Bradford <[email protected]> To: middlesex_county_uk <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 11:36 pm Subject: Re: [MDX] London Metropolitan Archives Hi Bev As has already been said, the staff at the LMA are extremely knowledgeable and helpful and the research service is fairly priced. However, to make the most of the time you pay for it is important to have some idea what you are looking for. We are now so used to online sites where most of the material has been transcribed or indexed that it can be a shock to realise that archive staff cannot simply "look up" our ancestors and that a catalogue is just that - a structured list of the holdings, not an index of its contents. I would recommend that you post some details of your puzzle here so that experienced London researchers can offer suggestions about the types of documentary records that may exist to help solve it. Best wishes Caroline > I am wondering if anyone has ever used the research service at LMA? I > have taken a look at catalog but haven't gotten very far. If you have > had experience with using the catalog or the service I would be > interested in your opinion and iinsights (off list if you would like). > I understand that the LMA has a relationship with Ancestry but that > there is much that isn't online at this time. > > Thanks, > > Bev W ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Rahere Street at that time had numerous tradesmen in the watch and jewellery trade, as a glance at the street section of a contemporary "Post Office London Directory" will show. Marshea strikes me as an unusual name, at least in England. In a 1839 directory (Pigot's) I see there was a watch movement maker by the name of James Marsh, at 22 Tysoe Street, Clerkenwell, which may be worth considering. You could check that address on the 1841 census, for example. With best wishes, John Townsend Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [MDX] London Metropolitan Archives > Hello again, > > > As I have posted, I am searching for information about the parents of my > great great grandfather, Samuel Rawlins, who was baptized with is brother > Alfred and sister Mary at St. Barnabas Finsbury in October of 1845. > Samuel's birthdate was given as May 3, 1839, his brother was born in 1842 > and his sister born in 1844. Samuel's father was also a Samuel Rawlins > whose trade was "watch finisher". His mother's name was Mary (?). They > were living on Rahere Street at the time of the baptism. > > > I have searched all online English Census records for these people to no > avail. There do not seem to be records in the BMD for any of the children > mentioned. I have often thought that these may not have been the only > children in the family. > > The one US census record found for my ancestor (1880) states that Samuel > Rawlins (Jr) was born in Ireland and his parents were born in England. > Where in England is the question!! Samuel Jr left Ireland in 1867 for the > US. He worked in the shipping trade for several years in the States > before establishing permanent residence in 1875, Samuel obviously returned > to England sometime between 1871 and 1872 because there is another > passenger record for him leaving Liverpool again in 1872 with a watch > maker, James Marshea and his sister, Ellen, from Wolverhampton. > > Needless to say, James Marshea was the son of a Jeweler/Watchmaker, James > D. Marshea who was born in Birmingham but grew up in Clerkenwell. James D. > Marshea appears to have been a contemporary of my Samuel Rawlins Sr. and > the two may have worked together. The Marshea family also traveled from > town to town but can be tracked in the census records. > > It appears that my Rawlins ancestors traveled to Ireland and back again. > I have examined all of the English online directories on Ancestry and on > other online sites and find no trace of my family. I have also searched > both FMP and Ancestry for birth, marriage and death records for Samuel Sr. > and wife Mary. I spent four years working with a researcher in Ireland > trying to find a "trace" of these folks. I do think I found a mention of > my great great grandfather, Samuel jr. working in Belfast in 1858 in a > pawn shop in article found on the new British Newspaper Archive site. > Again, I have found no direct information on the family in the Irish > sites online. I should say, I have ordered quite a few Birth, Marriage > and Death records in hopes of making a connection. > > > I believe that my ancestor, Samuel Rawlins Sr., was one of the "working' > poor in the 19th century. Owning no property, working for others, and > probably traveling around quite a bit makes him difficult to track. One > thing we do know, is that he waited to baptize his children in Islington. > > There are other Rawlins families in Middlesex and a few earlier records at > St. Lukes Old Street for them which might have significance. I am just > not certain. Perhaps there are other resources that can be checked at the > LMA that would connect the dots? > > Information for this line of my family has come in bits and pieces. I am > hopeful that one day, I will discover just who Samuel and Mary Rawlins > were. > > > Thanks for listening again.... > > Bev W > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Caroline Bradford <[email protected]> > To: middlesex_county_uk <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 11:36 pm > Subject: Re: [MDX] London Metropolitan Archives > > > Hi Bev > > As has already been said, the staff at the LMA are extremely knowledgeable > and helpful and the research service is fairly priced. However, to make > the > most of the time you pay for it is important to have some idea what you > are > looking for. We are now so used to online sites where most of the > material > has been transcribed or indexed that it can be a shock to realise that > archive staff cannot simply "look up" our ancestors and that a catalogue > is > just that - a structured list of the holdings, not an index of its > contents. > > I would recommend that you post some details of your puzzle here so that > experienced London researchers can offer suggestions about the types of > documentary records that may exist to help solve it. > > Best wishes > > Caroline > >> I am wondering if anyone has ever used the research service at LMA? I >> have taken a look at catalog but haven't gotten very far. If you have >> had experience with using the catalog or the service I would be >> interested in your opinion and iinsights (off list if you would like). >> I understand that the LMA has a relationship with Ancestry but that >> there is much that isn't online at this time. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bev W > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in > CAPITAL > letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in > CAPITAL letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Rahere Street at that time had numerous tradesmen in the watch and jewellery trade, as a glance at the street section of a contemporary "Post Office London Directory" will show. Marshea strikes me as an unusual name, at least in England. In a 1839 directory (Pigot's) I see there was a watch movement maker by the name of James Marsh, at 22 Tysoe Street, Clerkenwell, which may be worth considering. You could check that address on the 1841 census, for example. With best wishes, John Townsend Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk