I must thank the folk who have tried to offer help, but it seems to me that the family will stay in the dark for a long time yet. John French died 1848 5 Gloucester Place Regents Park and his son Thomas was born at 5 Gloucester Place Regents Park, 1844 and with this in mind, perhaps all the other kids were born there too. I can get hold of the Pancras registers but there are many to trawl thru There is a little more on Ann French nee Cruse. In her 2nd marriage here in Melbourne she added GRANVILLE and when she died the 2nd spouse added the name on the Death Cert With his extra name I then checked Free BMD for any French kids with this Granville and up popped a female so, I ordered the DEATH for this Charlotte Granville French and it turned out NOT to be related to Ann or John, but really who knows. Re looking at Thomas French (son) kids born Sydney & Melbourne OZ he named one of his kids Henry French ( after his brother ) but this one died aged 12 months, and he had another son Sydney and he lived for many years,and another son he named Thomas Charles James French, Alfred Edward, so Thomas must have known his siblings and now I am beginning to think mother left her kids just taking her son Thomas to Australia along with her niece Sarah who married Donald Fraser, I have found a descendant of this family (Fraser) but unfortunately she doesn't know very much just mostly on the Fraser which I don't want to become involved with Just FRENCH!!!! What a pity there isn't 1831 around today, I know it would only show head of household. but anything would help.and I have seen and printed the 1851 Census showing Thomas French as being a nephew to Richard BAND or Bend as it looks like. This person born Berkshire?? and she Hertfordshire Will try and follow this man to his grave if possible!! Thank you for all Elaine in still cold Melbourne sun is out from under the clouds for a little while