Definitely Feb 21 1) all those listed without the year are 1802 2) can't be Mar 21, as that's the date of the burial 3) isn't January because the after the next one (28th) they have actually entered January for the next one   Paul Eggleton ________________________________ From: sylvia <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:12 PM Subject: [MDX] Help with Date on Image Hi:  Can anyone with ancestry look at Harriot Higgs, baptized 21 March 1802, St. George Hanover Square (this exactly), please help me understand what the date of birth is.  I can't quite figure out what the date is as the months and days and years keep changing in the "born" column.  Thx ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree on the date of 21st Feb 1802, but its not quite as simple as all those listed without the year are 1802. Charlotte Hicks for example, also baptized on the 21st March 1802 is given the birth date of Oct 8th, so clearly not 1802. I think for that example the year 1801 is inferred. Only if the child is a year or more old is the year given to avoid ambiguity. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Paul Eggleton Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 4:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MDX] Help with Date on Image Definitely Feb 21 1) all those listed without the year are 1802 2) can't be Mar 21, as that's the date of the burial 3) isn't January because the after the next one (28th) they have actually entered January for the next one Paul Eggleton ________________________________ From: sylvia <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:12 PM Subject: [MDX] Help with Date on Image Hi: Can anyone with ancestry look at Harriot Higgs, baptized 21 March 1802, St. George Hanover Square (this exactly), please help me understand what the date of birth is. I can't quite figure out what the date is as the months and days and years keep changing in the "born" column. Thx ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters** List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Personally I would not infer much at all from the Bishops Transcripts. BTs in general are notorious for mistranscriptions. Unless the PRs can be referenced I would treat these dates, specifically the dates of birth, with extreme caution. Just to add to the debate I would draw attention to the baptism of Harriott (note different spelling, 2 Ts) daughter of James and Sarah Higgs in the same place on 30th November 1801 with a birth date of Oct 22 (probably 1801, the "customary" 5 or 6 weeks from birth to baptism). I find it difficult to believe that this is not the same couple and maybe the same daughter. I say maybe unless Harriott died between 30 Nov 1801 and 21 Mar 1802 and they re-used the name, common practice in the 18th/19th centuries. If this were the case then it would certainly imply also that Harriot (1 T) was born in 1802, not 1799. As I said though, believe nothing without reference to the PRs. Regards Jon Baker -----Original Message----- I agree on the date of 21st Feb 1802, but its not quite as simple as all those listed without the year are 1802. Charlotte Hicks for example, also baptized on the 21st March 1802 is given the birth date of Oct 8th, so clearly not 1802. I think for that example the year 1801 is inferred. Only if the child is a year or more old is the year given to avoid ambiguity. Steve

Right, I did see that first birth Jon. I had supposed also that this first Harriott might possibly have died - one reason for trying to figure out what the second Harriot dates were about. Very confusing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Baker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [MDX] Help with Date on Image > Personally I would not infer much at all from the Bishops Transcripts. BTs > in general are notorious for mistranscriptions. Unless the PRs can be > referenced I would treat these dates, specifically the dates of birth, > with > extreme caution. > > Just to add to the debate I would draw attention to the baptism of > Harriott > (note different spelling, 2 Ts) daughter of James and Sarah Higgs in the > same place on 30th November 1801 with a birth date of Oct 22 (probably > 1801, > the "customary" 5 or 6 weeks from birth to baptism). I find it difficult > to > believe that this is not the same couple and maybe the same daughter. I > say > maybe unless Harriott died between 30 Nov 1801 and 21 Mar 1802 and they > re-used the name, common practice in the 18th/19th centuries. If this were > the case then it would certainly imply also that Harriot (1 T) was born in > 1802, not 1799. > > As I said though, believe nothing without reference to the PRs. > > Regards > > Jon Baker > > -----Original Message----- > > > I agree on the date of 21st Feb 1802, but its not quite as simple as all > those listed without the year are 1802. Charlotte Hicks for example, also > baptized on the 21st March 1802 is given the birth date of Oct 8th, so > clearly not 1802. I think for that example the year 1801 is inferred. Only > if the child is a year or more old is the year given to avoid ambiguity. > > Steve > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > **MEANINGFUL Subject Lines - who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in > CAPITAL letters** > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >