Hi Eve, Thankyou for the message and for the piece you found on the Genealogist site regarding Edward Michshel. I have never found others, of other families, by this surname on the Ancestry site in any of the records there. I will have to keep both Alsace and Switzerland in mind. If only I could find a record for George arriving in England, but never have yet. I guessed that George would have served the gentry with his modelling in plaster. I have always imagined him modelling the cornices and ceiling roses etc., that you find in 18th. & 19th. century houses. I certainly agree with you about how easy it would be to become bankrupt when clients didn't pay for work done. We once bought an 2nd. hand van which had belonged to a plasterer, it took three goes with a hose pipe to wash all the dust out of the interior before we could use the thing without getting mucky, so you would certainly need plenty to drink when working with plaster I imagine, why not have a beer instead of risking the water. Does anyone know where I might find a record of the bankruptcy court case for George Frederick Michshel. All I have to date if an item from the newspapers announcing that he and others were to appear in the Court of insolvency on a certain date. I don't know what happened once George appeared, or whether or not he did appear or absconded or something Regards, and Happy New Year to all Jenny DeAngelis <<For what it is worth, when he married, George could not write his name, but Charlotte could. The vicar has spelled out the surname very clearly indeed, presumably at Charlotte's dictation.* All the entries in that surname (bar one) are members of their family in 2-3 generations. George was registered as Moschellers when he died. IT was extraordianrily easy to become bankrupt, if you were in a trade providing goods to the gentry (and plaster modelling would have been aimed at fairly wealthy customers.) You had to give credit, they didn't pay, and if you chased them for money they bad-mouthed you to other potetnial clienmts. Plaster is dry, dusty stuff, needing copiuos draughts of liquid to keep the mouth and throat lubricated. George could have used water - but all the medical men were beginnibng to agree that water was not very safe in London, full of sewage fall-out. What was a man to do but drink beer? Not, presumably, that George would have regarded that as a hardship :-) * Was Mich- shell really Michelle with a hiccup in it? And (courtesy of 'The Genealogist' site,) I have found one non-descendant - a later Edward Michshel, in that very uncommon spelling, and he is living in St Pancras, a waiter at an inn, b 1878, and 'born Switzerland, Swiss' - so that is worth trying too.>>

I would imagine the case would be in the London Gazette, but that might not give details. Jeanette -----Original Message----- From: Jenny De Angelis via Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 3:36 AM To: eve@varneys.org.uk ; middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] Home Fires,surnames MICHSHEL/L+ vars. and VINCENT London/Middx. Hi Eve, Thankyou for the message and for the piece you found on the Genealogist site regarding Edward Michshel. I have never found others, of other families, by this surname on the Ancestry site in any of the records there. I will have to keep both Alsace and Switzerland in mind. If only I could find a record for George arriving in England, but never have yet. I guessed that George would have served the gentry with his modelling in plaster. I have always imagined him modelling the cornices and ceiling roses etc., that you find in 18th. & 19th. century houses. I certainly agree with you about how easy it would be to become bankrupt when clients didn't pay for work done. We once bought an 2nd. hand van which had belonged to a plasterer, it took three goes with a hose pipe to wash all the dust out of the interior before we could use the thing without getting mucky, so you would certainly need plenty to drink when working with plaster I imagine, why not have a beer instead of risking the water. Does anyone know where I might find a record of the bankruptcy court case for George Frederick Michshel. All I have to date if an item from the newspapers announcing that he and others were to appear in the Court of insolvency on a certain date. I don't know what happened once George appeared, or whether or not he did appear or absconded or something Regards, and Happy New Year to all Jenny DeAngelis <<For what it is worth, when he married, George could not write his name, but Charlotte could. The vicar has spelled out the surname very clearly indeed, presumably at Charlotte's dictation.* All the entries in that surname (bar one) are members of their family in 2-3 generations. George was registered as Moschellers when he died. IT was extraordianrily easy to become bankrupt, if you were in a trade providing goods to the gentry (and plaster modelling would have been aimed at fairly wealthy customers.) You had to give credit, they didn't pay, and if you chased them for money they bad-mouthed you to other potetnial clienmts. Plaster is dry, dusty stuff, needing copiuos draughts of liquid to keep the mouth and throat lubricated. George could have used water - but all the medical men were beginnibng to agree that water was not very safe in London, full of sewage fall-out. What was a man to do but drink beer? Not, presumably, that George would have regarded that as a hardship :-) * Was Mich- shell really Michelle with a hiccup in it? And (courtesy of 'The Genealogist' site,) I have found one non-descendant - a later Edward Michshel, in that very uncommon spelling, and he is living in St Pancras, a waiter at an inn, b 1878, and 'born Switzerland, Swiss' - so that is worth trying too.>> . ************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* all previous messages EXCEPT the one to which you are replying. *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie name or topic, date and place with surnames only in CAPS. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com The List Archive, containing all messages posted, can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message