George CLEAVER's age and birth place differ on the 1851 and 1871 census, as does his name. In 1851 he's Richard, b abt 1821, in Marylebone. In 1871 he's George b abt 1825 in Bayswater. He died either in St Pancras June qtr 1871 age 46 (b abt 1825 or in St Giles Dec qtr 1878 age 57 (b abt 1821). I have found on Ancestry two possible baptisms but I'm not sure either of them is correct. The first is the son of Archibald William and Sarah CLEAVER, b 29 May, bapt 10 July 1821, St Luke's, Chelsea. Archibald is a shopkeeper. The second is the son of George and Elizabeth CLEAVER, b 13 Aug, bapt 9 Sept 1827, St Matthew's Bethnal Green. George snr is a shoemaker. They also had a son Thomas George born 1 Sept, bapt 9 Oct 1825. George snr is given as a cordwainer. What are the chances of the son of a shopkeeper or shoemaker/cordwainer becoming a tailor? -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

> George CLEAVER's age and birth place differ on the 1851 and 1871 > census, as does his name. > > In 1851 he's Richard, b abt 1821, in Marylebone. In 1871 he's George > b abt 1825 in Bayswater. He died either in St Pancras June qtr 1871 > age 46 (b abt 1825 or in St Giles Dec qtr 1878 age 57 (b abt 1821). Of the two George Cleavers in 1851 who are tailors, one b Devizes Wilts c 1811 apparently emigrates to Hobart, Tasmania, Australia in 1854. He is married to an Emma from Henley and their children Rosaline, James,Henry, Edwin, Frederick are also annotated as having emigrated in 1854. The other b c1823/5 Bayswater> is first married to Ann (??OHara) b Chelsea and living in St Pancras with nephew John aged 2. By 1871, next sighting, Ann is dead and has been replaced in 1864 July 8 by Emma Crane At marriage, George is said to be son of Thomas, a tailor, Emma of William, a shoemaker. George is nowhere obvious in 1861 and I have tried a fair number of permutations. In 1871 the couple have (George's) son Richard 18,(porter to ginger beer manufacturer) Emma 13, Frederick 11, Alice 4 Elizabeth 4 Frederick b 25 Jan 1861 and the twins b 1868 are jointly baptised in 1869 as children of George and Emma, though this could be an oversight, as she is mother to the twins. George son of Thomas and Charlotte was a tailor is 17 in 1841, plus John aged 15..(St Giles) In 1851 John is married to Louisa, with son George aged 1. Thomas is still alive in 1861,, aged 73, a tailor, b Banbury, with Charlotte and also in the household is their younger son, John 35, his wife Louisa and grandchildren Charlotte 14, John 12, Charles 6, Rosina 4, Henry 11 months EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

Thank you very much for having a look and finding additional data and for finding George's parents. I'll follow up on them. I think George is on one of the pages I understand are missing from the 1861 census. It would certainly make more sense for him to have been the son of a tailor. I did find a marriage of an Emma CRANE to a Richard TROWER. She's given as the daughter of William, a farmer, and Richard is given as the son of Richard, both of whom were smiths. I haven't been able to find either of George's marriages on Ancestry yet. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/ On 18/04/2014 17:11, eve@varneys.org.uk wrote: > Of the two George Cleavers in 1851 who are tailors, one b Devizes Wilts c > 1811 apparently emigrates to Hobart, Tasmania, Australia in 1854. He is > married to an Emma from Henley and their children Rosaline, James,Henry, > Edwin, Frederick are also annotated as having emigrated in 1854. > > The other b c1823/5 Bayswater> is first married to Ann (??OHara) b > Chelsea and living in St Pancras with nephew John aged 2. > By 1871, next sighting, Ann is dead and has been replaced in 1864 July 8 by > Emma Crane > At marriage, George is said to be son of Thomas, a tailor, Emma of William, > a shoemaker. > George is nowhere obvious in 1861 and I have tried a fair number of > permutations. > In 1871 the couple have (George's) son Richard 18,(porter to ginger beer > manufacturer) Emma 13, Frederick 11, Alice 4 Elizabeth 4 > Frederick b 25 Jan 1861 and the twins b 1868 are jointly baptised in 1869 as > children of George and Emma, though this could be an oversight, as she is > mother to the twins. > > George son of Thomas and Charlotte was a tailor is 17 in 1841, plus John > aged 15..(St Giles) > In 1851 John is married to Louisa, with son George aged 1. > > Thomas is still alive in 1861,, aged 73, a tailor, b Banbury, with Charlotte > and also in the household is their younger son, John 35, his wife Louisa and > grandchildren > Charlotte 14, John 12, Charles 6, Rosina 4, Henry 11 months -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/