On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 12:57:55 +0000 Emscote <emscote82@gmail.com> wrote: Hello Emscote, >But Ireland WAS part of the same governmental organisation (like Wales >and Scotland) until 1920s, therefore if one is looking for records You and I, plus many others here, know that, but do you expect the world at large to know? I certainly don't. I acknowledge what you go on to say (regarding separate sites & cost plans) but I don't think that's the only reason for separating Irish records in this way. As an example of what the rest of the world may think; A British group of musicians (Gang of Four, for those that wish to know) are currently on tour in the USA. One of their number is a Scot. Three nights ago, they had cause to get a cab. The driver asked the Scot where he's from. "Scotland" came the answer. "You speak pretty good English", said the driver. The driver's comment /could/ have been a dig at the Scottish accent, but it's more likely that he had no idea that the mother tongue of Scotland is English. After all, to many foreigners, the distinction between England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and The United Kingdom is non-existent. It's all "England" to them. The point being, foreigners are unlikely to know, understand or even care about the UK's history enough to distinguish what records should be where based on political, rather than geographic, divisions in the past and present. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" When I say ugly, I don't mean rough looking, I mean hideous Ugly - The Stranglers

Your points are valid and correct, BUT surely anyone doing historical research must learn the history of the region in which they have an interest? Otherwise how come some of the Aussies know they need to look at UK or Ireland records for their families? Indeed many Aussies have roots in different parts of Europe with no connection at all to UK or Ireland. The information providers (Ancestry/FMP/S&N etc) should not assume that all their users are beginners. Some of us have been doing this research for decades - long before they came into the picture - and even relative newcomers, encouraged by the existence of those providers, become experienced fairly quickly. The onus here is for companies to provide easy and simple access to all their records regardless of the expertise of their users. One of my several black marks against FMP is their inability to understand the records they have - Derbyshire Registrars Index provided by Derbyshire FHS is NOT parish records but the local GRO 1837+ records - putting them in with parish records just because the index was produced by an FHS is foolish and ignorant. I keep hoping FMP will learn ... As for your story about the taxi driver - maybe he wasn't interested in researching family history? Andy Murray had a similar problem with a reporter some time ago - again not a family history interview. Just because some folks are ignorant is no excuse for ignorance when one is researching in a particular geographical area - the onus there is on the researcher to learn about that area. Gen On 15 Mar 2015, at 13:24, Brad Rogers via wrote: > On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 12:57:55 +0000 > Emscote <emscote82@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Emscote, > >> But Ireland WAS part of the same governmental organisation (like Wales >> and Scotland) until 1920s, therefore if one is looking for records > > You and I, plus many others here, know that, but do you expect the world > at large to know? I certainly don't. > > I acknowledge what you go on to say (regarding separate sites & cost > plans) but I don't think that's the only reason for separating Irish > records in this way. > > As an example of what the rest of the world may think; > > A British group of musicians (Gang of Four, for those that wish to know) > are currently on tour in the USA. One of their number is a Scot. Three > nights ago, they had cause to get a cab. The driver asked the Scot > where he's from. > "Scotland" came the answer. > "You speak pretty good English", said the driver. > The driver's comment /could/ have been a dig at the Scottish accent, but > it's more likely that he had no idea that the mother tongue of Scotland > is English. After all, to many foreigners, the distinction between > England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and The United Kingdom > is non-existent. It's all "England" to them. > > The point being, foreigners are unlikely to know, understand or even > care about the UK's history enough to distinguish what records should be > where based on political, rather than geographic, divisions in the past > and present. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent" > When I say ugly, I don't mean rough looking, I mean hideous > Ugly - The Stranglers > . > ************************************** > Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* all previous messages EXCEPT the one to which you are replying. > > *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie name or topic, date and place with surnames only in CAPS. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > > The List Archive, containing all messages posted, can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk > > . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So how do all these ignorant people come to terms with having to go to Scotland's People? Scottish records generally unavailable on either Ancestry or FMP. Jay On 15 Mar 2015, at 13:24, Brad Rogers via wrote: > On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 12:57:55 +0000 > Emscote <emscote82@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Emscote, > >> But Ireland WAS part of the same governmental organisation (like Wales >> and Scotland) until 1920s, therefore if one is looking for records > > You and I, plus many others here, know that, but do you expect the world > at large to know? I certainly don't. > > I acknowledge what you go on to say (regarding separate sites & cost > plans) but I don't think that's the only reason for separating Irish > records in this way. > > As an example of what the rest of the world may think; > > A British group of musicians (Gang of Four, for those that wish to know) > are currently on tour in the USA. One of their number is a Scot. Three > nights ago, they had cause to get a cab. The driver asked the Scot > where he's from. > "Scotland" came the answer. > "You speak pretty good English", said the driver. > The driver's comment /could/ have been a dig at the Scottish accent, but > it's more likely that he had no idea that the mother tongue of Scotland > is English. After all, to many foreigners, the distinction between > England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and The United Kingdom > is non-existent. It's all "England" to them. > > The point being, foreigners are unlikely to know, understand or even > care about the UK's history enough to distinguish what records should be > where based on political, rather than geographic, divisions in the past > and present. > > -- > Regards _

On 15/03/2015 14:28, Clensham via wrote: > So how do all these ignorant people come to terms with having to go > to Scotland's People? Scottish records generally unavailable on > either Ancestry or FMP. Scotland's People is owned by BrightSolid* who also own FMP, so those records are unlikely to be on Ancestry for a long time. I would imagine they aren't on FMP for economic reasons. They make more money by having two sites, esp as Scotland's People doesn't offer a sub the way FMP does. I'd like to see both sites sharing the data they have but that's as likely to happen as there being harmony and no fighting anywhere on the planet for a decade - and that is NOT a topic for discussion folks :) At least not here :) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk