Could be about to get even more confusing :) St Ann's Church, Tottenham Gertrude Edith BIRD born 9 Dec 1888 baptised on 14 Apr 1889, parents John Thomas & Sarah Elizabeth BIRD, 11 Clifton Terrace, St Ann's Road, Father's occupation Telegraphist St Mary's Church, Lewisham Percy Clive BIRD baptised on 21 June 1894 age 4 years, parents John Thomas & Sarah Elizabeth (Dec?)* BIRD, residence 6 Linden** Road, Brockley, Father's occupation Telegraph clerk immediately followed by Charles Sydney BIRD baptised on 21 June 1894, born May 16, parents John Thomas & Sarah Jane BIRD, residence 6 Linden** Road, Brockley, Father's occupation Telegraph clerk * this is exactly as it appears in the baptism entry **really hard to make out street name so don't take this as gospel! John Thomas BIRD appears to have married again and the likely bride is Sarah Jane REDSHAW whom he married in Boston Reg District in 1893 1901 census 41 Monivea Road, Beckenham, Kent RG13 Piece 687/folio 29/page 49 John Thos BIRD* Head Married, M,48, Telegraph Clerkb St Marylebone, London Sarah J BIRD Wife M F 43 b Frampton Lincolnshire Gertrude BIRD Daughter F 12 b Tottenham Middlesex Percy Clive BIRD Son M 10 b Tottenham, Middlesex Ida May BIRD Daughter F 8 b East Ham, Essex Lilian Phoebe BIRD Daughter 4 b Beckenham, Kent *Transcribed by Ancestry as BESEL 1911 census: Glinton, Peterborough, Northamptonshire RG14/8707/451 John Thomas BIRD Head Married M 58 Post Office Pensioner b St Marylebone Middx Sarah Jane BIRD Wife F 52 b Frampton, Lincs Lilian Phoebe BIRD Daughter F 14 School b Beckenham, Kent married 17 years - 2 children born alive 1 still living 1 dead Hope this helps :) Paula On 09/10/2010 12:18, Elaine Jefferson wrote: > Hi to all from Australia, Iam in need of help regarding a family of BIRD that lived in and around EDMONTON > I have Percy Bird aged 20 years in the 1911 Census living or visiting his auunt& uncle William& Ann Jones > They were born Pill, Somerset, whilst Percy was born in the surroundings of Edmonton / Tottenham > His parents John Thomas BIRD and Sarah Elizabeth nee Jones > Cannot locate this John Thomas Bird in the 1911 he was born c.1853 Marylebone and from the 1901 he had fathered Gertrude Edith 1888 and this Percy > My questions are, > where the heck is John Thomas Bird and his spouse sarah Elizabeth (1860 Bristol) in the later census, and did Ancestry scan the baptism register for Tottenham& Edmonton, and if so, could some help me out by checking to see if this Percy was baptised to John Thomas Bird and Sarah Elizabeth???? about 1891 and its not the Percy Edward Bird Ithink it could be Percy Clive BIRD?? 1890 > He has me going around in circles as I don't know anything on this part of the family, or rather any BIRD lines