Hi Shannon Whilst waiting for your details I had a look using that marriage as a starter Assuming the marriage is the right one, Emma and one of the witnesses Ellen SPITTLES are at the home of Joseph and his father Charles in Streatham (so theres no doubt these are the same people as on the marriage) In 1871 there is :- RG10; Piece: 41; Folio: 69; Page: 26 Kensington 8 Mary Place ???my ARNOLD widow 33 Pig Feeder Kensington William ARNOLD son 23 Fulham Emma ARNOLD dau 14 Kensington Henry ARNOLD son 11 Kensington Sarah ARNOLD dau 8 Kensington George ARNOLD son 6 Kensington Francis BARRATT nephew 14 Kensington =========================== Ancestry have the above head of household as "Henry" (which in fairness you might think it was in passing) but the age is in the female column and she is enumerated under relation to HOH as wife, which is then crossed out The age as 33 is either for a second wife for Thomas or its been misread by the enumerator and should be 53, this would marry up with the 1851 census where a Thomas has a wife Emily however the birthplace of the 1851 Emily is Herts Collar? ========================== I also found Deaths Dec 1870 Arnold Thomas 60 Kensington 1a 91 =========================== Going back to 1861 I found that number 8 Mary Place is a known missing part of the census =========================== Going back to 1851 1851 HO107 1471 307 30 5 Bone Sheds Thomas ARNOLD head mar 40 Pig Dealer Glos Paradise Emily ARNOLD wife mar 33 Herts Collar? Thomas ARNOLD son 11 scholar London Marylebone Eliza ARNOLD dau 9 scholar Middx Paddington Charles ARNOLD son 7 scholar Middx Paddington William ARNOLD son 3 Middx Paddington =========================== And Baptism St Marylebone Westminster 1840 19 January Thomas son of Thomas & Emily Ann ARNOLD 20 Park St Fish Monger Born 15th Dec 1839 Baptisms St James Paddington Westminster All May 10 Eliza Maria born Aug 11 1842 Charles born May 4 1844 Emily born Feb 23 1846 All children of Thomas & Emily ARNOLD Westbourne Cottages Labourer Baptism Holy Trinity Paddington Westminster 1848 July 23 William son of Thomas Charles & Emily ARNOLD 40 Bridge Row Labourer Burial St Mary Paddigton Green Westminster 1849 Emily ARNOLD Bridge Row Paddington Aug 23 3 years Any of this match any data you have Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > HI, > > > I have found a marriage record Emma Arnold / Joseph Hammond in ancestry > under the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 > > If I order a marriage certificate from records office would there likely > be > any different information on it? > > I thought I had Emma Arnold sorted to census records, but having ordered > the > mother's death certificate, I think I have the wrong family. > > I know I have it correct from 1881 census. Cannot seem to match things up > nicely with the earlier 1871 or 1861 census. > > I like the look of Kensington born and still need to order that birth > cert - > just hope it is correct having just paid and anxiously waited for the > arrival of one that seems unrelated :) > > Thanks > Shannon

I have yet to pop all thoughts onto paper, I too saw this line and it is the most likely I think. I was starting to follow the leads from it when I was sidetracked with another line :) this is very addictive and convoluted stuff!!! Thank you for your help - I was initially put off because of the occupation of the father and the fact it does not have deceased after his name, which led me thinking he was still alive in 1881. I will try to tease out the links and see what comes of it all. Thanks again! -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 9:22 AM To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] Question about certificates and ARNOLD family Hi Shannon Whilst waiting for your details I had a look using that marriage as a starter Assuming the marriage is the right one, Emma and one of the witnesses Ellen SPITTLES are at the home of Joseph and his father Charles in Streatham (so theres no doubt these are the same people as on the marriage) In 1871 there is :- RG10; Piece: 41; Folio: 69; Page: 26 Kensington 8 Mary Place ???my ARNOLD widow 33 Pig Feeder Kensington William ARNOLD son 23 Fulham Emma ARNOLD dau 14 Kensington Henry ARNOLD son 11 Kensington Sarah ARNOLD dau 8 Kensington George ARNOLD son 6 Kensington Francis BARRATT nephew 14 Kensington =========================== Ancestry have the above head of household as "Henry" (which in fairness you might think it was in passing) but the age is in the female column and she is enumerated under relation to HOH as wife, which is then crossed out The age as 33 is either for a second wife for Thomas or its been misread by the enumerator and should be 53, this would marry up with the 1851 census where a Thomas has a wife Emily however the birthplace of the 1851 Emily is Herts Collar? ========================== I also found Deaths Dec 1870 Arnold Thomas 60 Kensington 1a 91 =========================== Going back to 1861 I found that number 8 Mary Place is a known missing part of the census =========================== Going back to 1851 1851 HO107 1471 307 30 5 Bone Sheds Thomas ARNOLD head mar 40 Pig Dealer Glos Paradise Emily ARNOLD wife mar 33 Herts Collar? Thomas ARNOLD son 11 scholar London Marylebone Eliza ARNOLD dau 9 scholar Middx Paddington Charles ARNOLD son 7 scholar Middx Paddington William ARNOLD son 3 Middx Paddington =========================== And Baptism St Marylebone Westminster 1840 19 January Thomas son of Thomas & Emily Ann ARNOLD 20 Park St Fish Monger Born 15th Dec 1839 Baptisms St James Paddington Westminster All May 10 Eliza Maria born Aug 11 1842 Charles born May 4 1844 Emily born Feb 23 1846 All children of Thomas & Emily ARNOLD Westbourne Cottages Labourer Baptism Holy Trinity Paddington Westminster 1848 July 23 William son of Thomas Charles & Emily ARNOLD 40 Bridge Row Labourer Burial St Mary Paddigton Green Westminster 1849 Emily ARNOLD Bridge Row Paddington Aug 23 3 years Any of this match any data you have Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > HI, > > > I have found a marriage record Emma Arnold / Joseph Hammond in > ancestry under the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 > > If I order a marriage certificate from records office would there > likely be any different information on it? > > I thought I had Emma Arnold sorted to census records, but having > ordered the mother's death certificate, I think I have the wrong > family. > > I know I have it correct from 1881 census. Cannot seem to match things > up nicely with the earlier 1871 or 1861 census. > > I like the look of Kensington born and still need to order that birth > cert - just hope it is correct having just paid and anxiously waited > for the arrival of one that seems unrelated :) > > Thanks > Shannon ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message