The parish book of St. Mary at Hill appears to have been reproduced in its entirety on Ancestry UK. It appears to be rather tightly bound into a greenish volume, complete with a leather strap to close it. The pages themselves are not numbered. Christenings go from image 1-106, and cover 1558-1803. Marriages of 1558-1741 start on image 107 and end abruptly at image 130 in 1741. Images 131-135 are christenings from 1805-1812. From 136 to the end are burials. I have been through the volume page by page and the missing marriages do not appear. It may be that there is an addendum to to this book that Ancestry simply didn't pick up. So I am very curious as to where the records for these marriages went, and somewhat dubious that they will appear on, e.g., a Family History library microfilm. As I mentioned earlier, they also do not appear in St. Andrew Hubbard with which St. Mary merged in 1690. So now I guess I am asking: what would be the reason these marriages were not recorded in the original parish book; where might they be recorded, and how would we know that sources that purport to contain St. Mary at Hill registers have actually included these "missing marriages" wherever they might have been found? [The marriage I am looking for is not on Britishorigins, sadly.] Santa T.

Hi Santa, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Santa Traugott" <strau@umich.edu> > The parish book of St. Mary at Hill appears to have been reproduced in its entirety on Ancestry > UK. It appears to be rather tightly bound into a greenish volume, complete with a leather strap > to close it. The pages themselves are not numbered. > Christenings go from image 1-106, and cover 1558-1803. Marriages of 1558-1741 start on image 107 > and end abruptly at image 130 in 1741. Images 131-135 are christenings from 1805-1812. From 136 > to the end are burials. I have been through the volume page by page and the missing marriages do > not appear. > It may be that there is an addendum to to this book that Ancestry simply didn't pick up. > So I am very curious as to where the records for these marriages went, and somewhat dubious that > they will appear on, e.g., a Family History library microfilm. > As I mentioned earlier, they also do not appear in St. Andrew Hubbard with which St. Mary merged > in 1690. > So now I guess I am asking: what would be the reason these marriages were not recorded in the > original parish book; where might they be recorded, and how would we know that sources that > purport to contain St. Mary at Hill registers have actually included these "missing marriages" > wherever they might have been found? > [The marriage I am looking for is not on Britishorigins, sadly.] > Santa T. According to the online catalogue of the LMA at http://search.lma.gov.uk/scripts/mwimain.dll/547?ADVANCEFORM&DATABASE=LMA_DESCRIPTION they have for St.Mary at Hill Register of marriages. Reference Code:P69/MRY4/A/006/MS04548 Level of description:File Parent Reference:P69/MRY4/A Site Location:London Metropolitan Archives Former Reference:MS 04548 Dates of Creation:1813 - 1837 Extent:1 volume and Registers of marriages 1754-1812 and banns 1754-1813 of the united parishes of St Mary at Hill and St Andrew Hubbard. Reference Code:P69/MRY4/A/005 Level of description:Series Parent Reference:P69/MRY4/A Site Location:London Metropolitan Archives Former Reference:MS 04547 Dates of Creation:1754 - 1813 Extent:2 volumes Scope - Content:Vol.2 includes one marriage dated September 1783 and Register of baptisms 1558-1812, marriages 1558/9-1754 and burials 1558-1812. Includes baptisms and burials from St Andrew Hubbard 1742-1812. Reference Code:P69/MRY4/A/001/MS04546 Level of description:File Parent Reference:P69/MRY4/A Site Location:London Metropolitan Archives Former Reference:MS 04546 Dates of Creation:1558 - 1812 Extent:1v, vellum Scope - Content:Baptisms 1805-12 have been entered after the marriage registrations It looks as if this last is what you examined at Ancestry, and for some reason the post 1741 marriages have not been picked up. It might be worth an e-mail to the LMA to check that this is, in fact, the case, and that the marriages are present in the original volume. The writing showing through on image 130 does *not* match that on Image 131!! REgards John Henley

Marriages from 1754 onwards are in the other database "London Marriages & Banns 1754..." (searchable and browsable). So the gap on Ancestry would appear to be 1741-1753. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Santa Traugott Sent: 15 September 2010 14:36 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDX] further to St. Mary at Hill marriages The parish book of St. Mary at Hill appears to have been reproduced in its entirety on Ancestry UK. It appears to be rather tightly bound into a greenish volume, complete with a leather strap to close it. The pages themselves are not numbered. Christenings go from image 1-106, and cover 1558-1803. Marriages of 1558-1741 start on image 107 and end abruptly at image 130 in 1741. Images 131-135 are christenings from 1805-1812. From 136 to the end are burials. I have been through the volume page by page and the missing marriages do not appear. It may be that there is an addendum to to this book that Ancestry simply didn't pick up. So I am very curious as to where the records for these marriages went, and somewhat dubious that they will appear on, e.g., a Family History library microfilm. As I mentioned earlier, they also do not appear in St. Andrew Hubbard with which St. Mary merged in 1690. So now I guess I am asking: what would be the reason these marriages were not recorded in the original parish book; where might they be recorded, and how would we know that sources that purport to contain St. Mary at Hill registers have actually included these "missing marriages" wherever they might have been found? [The marriage I am looking for is not on Britishorigins, sadly.] Santa T.