My 3G grandfather Robert NEWMAN was probably born around or just before 1785. I can't do better than that at present. He married first in 1802 to Mary BARNFATHER at St. George's Hanover Sq. I don't believe there was any issue. She died 1803-04 I understand. Robert married again in 1807, to Mary MAZEMORE, at St Luke, Old Street (Finsbury). They had three children. 1.Philip Robert (my GG grandfather), b. 1807, St. Marylebone St. Mary, Mary Ann b, 1812. He married Margaret Eliza BARNFATHER (possibly a niece of Mary BARNFATHER (above)in 1836 in Lambeth, Surrey at St. John The Evangelist. They had six children (5 s, 1 d). I have quite a lot of information on these children, particularly the eldest, Philip Harry, my G grandfather. These children are mostly Middlesex born. I have a lot of information on the eldest, considerably less on the remainder. 2.Mary Ann, b. 1812, m. Henry TURTON 1824 Lambeth, St. John The Evangelist. They had three children and without going into all the details, I have a fair bit of info which runs out at most with the 1901 census. 3. Robert, b 1810, St Mary, Marylebone Road. Not much other than the 1881 census yet. I would be interested in communicating with anyone who has any of these folks in their sites or is descendent from. I know I have a lot of work to do but assistance or direction to look is always appreciated. Sincerely Philip Johnson Edmonton, Alberta