Hi Coleen I do not see either of your names with their parents in 1841 or 1851 I see John & Mary HYLAND in 1861, John is enumerated as born Ireland but his wife Mary and Johns sister Bridget have no birthplace shown, you might assume they were all born in Ireland? Unless you have more information you have not posted Your last request makes me think you are under the impression that English death certificates give more information than they in fact do There would be no mention of parents, spouse or children unless one of them registered the death For information on what you might find on an English certificate see :- http://www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/indexbd.htm As to Obits , unless they were very well to do (1861 suggests otherwise) they would be highly unlikely to have an Obit (I would say the chances are nil) there might have been a funeral notice in the papers if there were enough people to tell to warrant placing the notice, chances are slightly higher than nil but only just Is it not possible both came over from Ireland just after 1851? And that their parents were in Ireland and most likely died there? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Looking for census pages for 1841 and > 1851 HYLAND, Thomas & Catherine, son > John age 8 (1841) and 18 (1851), > > DWYER, John spouse unk, daughter Mary > age 8 (1841) and 18 (1851). > Anyone in the Middlesex area that can look up this for me or can make a > trip to > the Catholic Church in the District of > Stepney and Co of Middlesex to see if there are any further records on > these > families. > > had been said that John was Irish Catholic and Mary was of a Protestant > family but they would not have been married in the Catholic Church as it > states > on the record of the marriage which took > place 18 may 1853 recorded June quarter > of the year 1853. > > Residence at the time of the marriage for > both of these were School House Lam? > Ratcliff and for him was floor (written above the (#3) Floor House _iddr > Ratcliff. > Thanks so much for your help with this. > Also would be nice to get a copy of a > death record for Thomas Hyland and John > Dwyer to see if there were other children > for either of them and who John Dwyers' > spouse was. Obits would be nice as well. > I can pay in US dollars in an International > Postal Money Order