Thanks to both Vivian Simmonds and Keith Jacobs who deciphered the marriage record (21 June 1765, St Giles, Camberwell, Southwark, Middlesex) for me and confirmed that both John and Elizabeth were widowed before their marriage to each other. I am now going to search for their respective 'first' marriages and hopefully find a way to get back to the earlier generation. Regards and thanks, Libby ------------------------------ Elizabeth K McMillan - ekmcm@me.com