It's just occurred to me that if he was on the Wellington as a mariner, he might have been part of the crew. In which case, you might be able to find the crew list at the Maritime Museum in Greenwich. http://www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/archive/catalogue/ Anne South Australia Anne Chapman wrote: > Hello Nivard, > The William John Horne who married Louisa Anna Wilson and who died > at Bibbenluke in 1899, was definitely the son of Swithin& Eliza Horne. > We have original letters written by his younger brother in London in > 1885 to William here in Australia. > William John Horne definitely came to Australia sometime in the > 1850's. The family have a story about "Sea Shanties" he used to sing. > We are just trying to find some sort of proof of his travel to Australia. > Maybe he was in the Merchant navy in the 1851 Census, but unless he > was in port at the time, I am not sure where else to turn for that info > either. > Thank you also to Anne for her reply as well. Anne > > Nivard Ovington wrote: >> Hi Anne >> >> If he is not with his family in 1841 is it not more likely that he died ? >> >> When you say "He married Louisa Anna Wilson" I am not sure if you mean the >> man who arrived in Australia or your man ? >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Thank you Anne, I have had a look at the website, nothing came up for Wm Horne, or variants, the Wellington Crew List 1853 brought up many things but I was timed out by the time I got to Page 3. I was just skimming over the options to see what was most appropriate. Seems like a good place to start, Thank you for that. Anne Anne Chambers wrote: > It's just occurred to me that if he was on the Wellington as a mariner, he might have been part of the crew. > In which case, you might be able to find the crew list at the Maritime Museum in Greenwich. > > http://www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/archive/catalogue/ > > Anne > South Australia > >

HI Anne, Firstly I apologise for the length of this mail but I wanted to help as much as I could from my own experience with researching mariners. I agree with others that if William Horne showed himself on records as a mariner then he was very likely in the Merchant Navy and not the Royal Navy. If he was a master mariner then you have more chance of finding records for him as Master Mariners had to gain a certificate as a Master Mariner. Ordinary seaman didn't have to do so. Master mariners also signed on to ships at times as 1st Mate because the 1st mate would take over command of the vessel if the master was taken ill or was just resting. This is what I have found with my own master mariners at least. Up until about 1845 a man could become a master going on his past experience at sea, he had to fill out a testimonial giving a list of ships sailed on, date of signing on and off to each vessel. After about 1845 they brought in Examinations, but men could still get their certificate on their past experience at that time too. A little later on a man had to sit the exam in order to gain his master's certificate and also fill out the testimonial with the list of vessels sailed on and the position held on board each one, with dates of signing on and off from each one. I have 2 master mariners in my ancestry, father and then his son, I have both of their copy certificates and testimonials which I obtained from the Nat. Maritime Museum Greenwich London. The elder man gained his certificate in 1851 going on his past experience and without sitting the examination that his son later sat in 1871. The same father had his youngest son apprenticed to him on board his ship in the 1861 census, that youngest son became a Boatswain/Bosun, he too would have had to pass an exam to show he was capable of doing the job though I have not researched him to date. The man who became a master in 1871 had a son who later became a 2nd. Class Engineer, later to become a 1st class engineer, who went to sea. He too had to pass exams, first to become a 2nd. class engineer and then to become a 1st class engineer, I have both of his testimonials and certificate copies, again supplied by the NMM at Greenwich. Those testimonials not only show ships sailed on but also time spent on shore working in shipyards learning his trade. These records can be very useful, if they exist for your mariner, it all depends on what job he did on board the ships he sailed on and if he worked his way up to become a master, bosun or engineer or some such position on board where he needed to gain a certificate. The only problem is that you do need the man's certificate number before you can order a copy of his record from the NMM. But if your man had been a master mariner then his number should appear on the crew lists for the ships he sailed on. This is where I found my oldest mariners cert. number, on a crew list for his ship in 1860. The following might be worth a try if you are looking for Crew Lists. Go to the Mariners website, which you will probably find useful anyway. http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/ Click on the link for the UK, then, ignoring the links on the yellow background, read the paragraph about the Nat. Archives holdings for Mariners records and how many of them have been filmed by the LDS. Then follow the link and the instructions for the Short Cut to finding the section of the catalogue, of the LDS. Do exactly as the instructions say in order to get to the page number 260 where you will see a short list of British Crew Lists etc., that can be hired on LDS film. Follow the links to find the page giving Film Numbers which you need to place your order for a film by. If you can get to an LDS centre it is well worth ordering a film or two, for a reasonable fee. You can search the whole of the LDS catalogue via the familysearch site by clicking on the link at the top of the page Search Record and then clicking on the link for Library Catalogue, make a place search putting in the name of the place that interests you to see what is available for that place or parish. I have done a lot of my research using LDS films at the centre here in Barcelona, so saving me lots of flights to the UK. You might also find the Mariners mailing list helpful, see the link on the above Mariners website. The Mariners list only deals with ships and the men who sailed them and not with passengers etc. I found the list very helpful when I was researching my mariners above. The subscribers seem to be a lot of ex mariner and some still serving I believe. They helped me with details of some of the vessels whose names I had in the testimonials for my 3 mariners so that I could build up a picture of each mans marine career quite a bit. Many of the British ship crew lists are not held at the Nat. Archives any longer, they were all going to be destroyed by the, then, PRO who had decided to only keep a sample and saving those for years ending in 5 or something like that. Fortunately the Maritime History Archive at Newfoundland bought up a great number of these crew lists and saved them from destruction. The Maritime History Archives site is at http://www.mun.ca/mha/ and if you find the number of a particular vessel, the vessels official registration number, then you can search their site for that number to see if the hold crew lists for her. See the On Line Crew Lists link on the home page of the MHA site. If you find a crew list for the Wellington on an LDS film maybe, then that should give you her official reg. number and you could search the MHA crew lists online to see if they hold any further lists for her perhaps. they will supply copies I believe for a fee. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain.