>From The Standard ( London, England ), Monday, July 28, 1851; Issue 8412. DEATH. On the 20th inst., at Richmond-terrace, Islington, Mrs Ann FIVEASH , late of Northfleet, Kent, in her 61st year.

>From The Morning Post ( London, England ), Monday, September 26, 1859 ; pg. 8 ; Issue 26761. DEATH. FIVEASH - On the 22d inst., at Richmond Villas, Barnsbury- park, Islington, in his seventy - first year, Mr. John FIVEASH , late of Northfleet, Kent.

>From The Morning Post ( London, England ), Saturday, June 30, 1862; pg.7; Issue 27623. DEATH. FIVEASH - On the 25th inst., in her forty-eighth year, Jane Charlotte, wife of Mr. John FIVEASH , 146, Richmond - road, Dalston.

Hello April Sad news, I think. The burial registers of St Margaret, Uxbridge yield the following: Charlotta WOODMAN, aged 2, buried 30 December 1825 Mary WOODMAN, aged 5, buried 30 March 1827 Maria WOODMAN, aged 9, buried 25 July 1827 Best wishes Caroline > I am looking for anyone who may be researching the WOODMAN family in > Middlesex. > > I need help with JAMES WOODMAN who with OLIVE ?? had 4 of his children > baptised at ST. Margarets Church, Harmondsworth, Uxbridge where James > was baptised 14/2/1796. > > MARIA baptised 23/5/1819. > > MARY baptised 9/11/1821 > > CHARLOTTA baptised 18/1/1832 > > HENRY baptised 24/4/1825. > > I have JAMES WOODMAN death 12/12/1825 age 29 years and OLIVE > WOODMAN > burial 12/3/1828 Estimated birth 1793. > > It appears that both parents died early in life leaving their children orphaned. > I have info on HENRY'S marriage etc but not what happened to the other 3 > children. Maybe someone has them as their ancestor and maybe able to fill > in gaps for me? > > Regards. > > April. Hampshire. > > .

I am looking for anyone who may be researching the WOODMAN family in Middlesex. I need help with JAMES WOODMAN who with OLIVE ?? had 4 of his children baptised at ST. Margarets Church, Harmondsworth, Uxbridge where James was baptised 14/2/1796. MARIA baptised 23/5/1819. MARY baptised 9/11/1821 CHARLOTTA baptised 18/1/1832 HENRY baptised 24/4/1825. I have JAMES WOODMAN death 12/12/1825 age 29 years and OLIVE WOODMAN burial 12/3/1828 Estimated birth 1793. It appears that both parents died early in life leaving their children orphaned. I have info on HENRY'S marriage etc but not what happened to the other 3 children. Maybe someone has them as their ancestor and maybe able to fill in gaps for me? Regards. April. Hampshire.

Hi April: My great Grandmother was Sarah Woodman born Brentford, Middx. 1859. Sarah's father was Henry Woodman, born Brentford, Middx. 1837. He married Sarah Heath in Ealing, Middx. in 1857. Henry and Sarah's children were: Sarah Anne - Bap. 1859 St. George's Church, Brentford Emma Jane Bap. 1860 Henry William - Bap. 1865 Thomas George - Bap. 1866 Harriett Anne - Bap. 1868 Henry's father was William Woodman born Brentford, Middx. around 1803. Married Jane Faircloth in Isleworth in 1825. There appear to have been many Woodman's around Brentford from 1800 through 1950's. I know that Henry had some brothers as I was contacted a few years ago by someone in Australia researching the Woodman's of Brentford. Also you mention the village of Harmondsworth, where another of my family lines was quite prevalent. Most likely there is a connection between our families. I will be interested to learn more about your Woodman ancestral line. Best wishes Patricia California Email : trubrit176@verizon.net Subject: [MDX] WOODMAN I am looking for anyone who may be researching the WOODMAN family in Middlesex. I need help with JAMES WOODMAN who with OLIVE ?? had 4 of his children baptised at ST. Margarets Church, Harmondsworth, Uxbridge where James was baptised 14/2/1796. MARIA baptised 23/5/1819. MARY baptised 9/11/1821 CHARLOTTA baptised 18/1/1832 HENRY baptised 24/4/1825. I have JAMES WOODMAN death 12/12/1825 age 29 years and OLIVE WOODMAN burial 12/3/1828 Estimated birth 1793. It appears that both parents died early in life leaving their children orphaned. I have info on HENRY'S marriage etc but not what happened to the other 3 children. Maybe someone has them as their ancestor and maybe able to fill in gaps for me? Regards. April. Hampshire.

On 20/04/2014 19:00, Judy Lester wrote: > Connie, > > According to a report in the Morning Post (16 April 1874), he was aged 22 > and a stonemason. The the alleged offence (stealing tools) was committed in > Harrow. Say if you would like the newspaper extract sent. Thank you Judy. Unfortunately he's not the George I was after. Thank you for having a look. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

Connie, According to a report in the Morning Post (16 April 1874), he was aged 22 and a stonemason. The the alleged offence (stealing tools) was committed in Harrow. Say if you would like the newspaper extract sent. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Connie I have found an entry in Ancestry's Criminal Registers dataset for a George Cleaver who was charged with Larceny and Receiving in 1874. He was acquitted but is there anyway of finding out any more about him?

I have found an entry in Ancestry's Criminal Registers dataset for a George Cleaver who was charged with Larceny and Receiving in 1874. He was acquitted but is there anyway of finding out any more about him? -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

Try the London Metropolitan Archives. They often have photographs of the various churches within their area. St Stephen was closed in 1982, and the parish united with St Mary Hornsey Rise. The building was demolished in 1983. (see the National Archives a2a) Jay H On 19 Apr 2014, at 18:13, Michelle Connolly wrote: > > > Hi all > > Does anyone know where I could obtain or view a photograph of St Stephen's Church, Elthorne Road, Upper Holloway, Islington? I have recently discovered that one of my ancestors was married at this church during World War 1. > > Thank you. > > Michelle > > > . > ************************************** > Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* superfluous old messages in replies. Only include the one to which you are replying. > > *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > > The archives can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk > > . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 19/04/2014 18:13, Michelle Connolly wrote: > Does anyone know where I could obtain or view a photograph of St > Stephen's Church, Elthorne Road, Upper Holloway, Islington? I have > recently discovered that one of my ancestors was married at this > church during World War 1. Have you had a look on Google Maps? -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

Unfortunately it was demolished in the 1970s. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=074-p83ste2&cid=-1#-1 But if you google and also check google images you may get lucky and find a picture. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie" <connie.sparrer@gmail.com> To: "Michelle Connolly" <gene_queen45@yahoo.co.uk>; <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [MDX] St Stephen's Church, Upper Holloway, Islington > On 19/04/2014 18:13, Michelle Connolly wrote: > >> Does anyone know where I could obtain or view a photograph of St >> Stephen's Church, Elthorne Road, Upper Holloway, Islington? I have >> recently discovered that one of my ancestors was married at this >> church during World War 1. > > Have you had a look on Google Maps? > > -- > Connie > http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/ > . > ************************************** > Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* superfluous > old messages in replies. Only include the one to which you are replying. > > *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in > CAPITAL letters. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > > The archives can be found at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk > > . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all Does anyone know where I could obtain or view a photograph of St Stephen's Church, Elthorne Road, Upper Holloway, Islington?  I have recently discovered that one of my ancestors was married at this church during World War 1. Thank you. Michelle

Thank you very much for having a look and finding additional data and for finding George's parents. I'll follow up on them. I think George is on one of the pages I understand are missing from the 1861 census. It would certainly make more sense for him to have been the son of a tailor. I did find a marriage of an Emma CRANE to a Richard TROWER. She's given as the daughter of William, a farmer, and Richard is given as the son of Richard, both of whom were smiths. I haven't been able to find either of George's marriages on Ancestry yet. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/ On 18/04/2014 17:11, eve@varneys.org.uk wrote: > Of the two George Cleavers in 1851 who are tailors, one b Devizes Wilts c > 1811 apparently emigrates to Hobart, Tasmania, Australia in 1854. He is > married to an Emma from Henley and their children Rosaline, James,Henry, > Edwin, Frederick are also annotated as having emigrated in 1854. > > The other b c1823/5 Bayswater> is first married to Ann (??OHara) b > Chelsea and living in St Pancras with nephew John aged 2. > By 1871, next sighting, Ann is dead and has been replaced in 1864 July 8 by > Emma Crane > At marriage, George is said to be son of Thomas, a tailor, Emma of William, > a shoemaker. > George is nowhere obvious in 1861 and I have tried a fair number of > permutations. > In 1871 the couple have (George's) son Richard 18,(porter to ginger beer > manufacturer) Emma 13, Frederick 11, Alice 4 Elizabeth 4 > Frederick b 25 Jan 1861 and the twins b 1868 are jointly baptised in 1869 as > children of George and Emma, though this could be an oversight, as she is > mother to the twins. > > George son of Thomas and Charlotte was a tailor is 17 in 1841, plus John > aged 15..(St Giles) > In 1851 John is married to Louisa, with son George aged 1. > > Thomas is still alive in 1861,, aged 73, a tailor, b Banbury, with Charlotte > and also in the household is their younger son, John 35, his wife Louisa and > grandchildren > Charlotte 14, John 12, Charles 6, Rosina 4, Henry 11 months -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

Yes Nivard, it was 25051 and on 16.12.18 it says 'revert to previous rank as a Private' (does this mean he was demoted?!) but I cannot see anything that says what he was before. There is very little info on there (that I can understand!) . The sheet was started on 4.7.18 and the last entry was on 16.12.18. Beside one entry, under special comments, it says 'for disposal' - no idea what that means! I know I cannot attach a doc to rootsweb lists but am happy to send it to you off list if you would like to see it. The next page just says 'fit as pilot' 24.6.18 and the final page on 11.3.18 says 'Hastings' under unit to which. I think at the top of that page it says A/ L/Cpl 51st Br R Warwicks. At the top of the first page there is a letter in brackets between 51st & Br R Warwicks. Hope that helps Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 19 April 2014 15:40 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] Ancestry Military Records On the RFC/RAF record, did it give a service number or rank? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On the RFC/RAF record, did it give a service number or rank? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19/04/2014 14:31, Carolyn McCartney wrote: > Thanks Nivard - no, I don't think he did. The letter I have from the > appointments department is dated 24.1.19, advising the Commanding officer > that there is a vacancy at the National Mutual Life Assurance Co and asking > for his agreement for Moss to be released, which I believe then happened. > > Carolyn

Thanks Nivard - no, I don't think he did. The letter I have from the appointments department is dated 24.1.19, advising the Commanding officer that there is a vacancy at the National Mutual Life Assurance Co and asking for his agreement for Moss to be released, which I believe then happened. Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 19 April 2014 13:27 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] Ancestry Military Records Hi again Did he by chance serve past 1921? If so his service records would not be with the earlier ones but at Glasgow The earlier records should have been forwarded so they may all be together if he did serve later If he did serve past 1921 let me know and I will send details for obtaining them

Hi again Did he by chance serve past 1921? If so his service records would not be with the earlier ones but at Glasgow The earlier records should have been forwarded so they may all be together if he did serve later If he did serve past 1921 let me know and I will send details for obtaining them Thats a very sad tale regarding his death, that must have been extremely traumatic for her Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19/04/2014 10:04, Carolyn McCartney wrote: > Hi Nivard > > Thank you so much for your answers and link. So informative and helpful, as > always. I have downloaded the document - very few details on it and no > mention of the first regiment but that is fine. His daughter will be very > pleased just to have her memories clarified. Rather sadly, he died falling > down a mountain in 1946. He and his daughter went on a walking holiday to > Switzerland for her 21st birthday - she stumbled and he went to catch her > and slipped himself.

Hi Nivard Thank you so much for your answers and link. So informative and helpful, as always. I have downloaded the document - very few details on it and no mention of the first regiment but that is fine. His daughter will be very pleased just to have her memories clarified. Rather sadly, he died falling down a mountain in 1946. He and his daughter went on a walking holiday to Switzerland for her 21st birthday - she stumbled and he went to catch her and slipped himself. No, I have not managed to find his medal card either. I found his two reg numbers from firstly a postcard addressed to him from a friend and the second regiment number (which is the one on his records - 25051) on a letter from the appointments officer to the Commanding Officer of 51st Batt R Warwicks. His daughter never mentioned any medals but he must, at least, have had a service medal. With my thanks again for your kind help. Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 19 April 2014 09:00 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] Ancestry Military Records Hi Carolyn It was quite common to be moved from one regiment to another and get more than one number Generally the medals were issued in the last regiment they served in (ie that number was the one stamped on the medal rim) The order is generally the first on the medal card was the first served in Service numbers were issued from each regiment so could be duplicated one unit to another, hence why you find another man with the same regimental number, there would be no connection between the men The RFC, air force or rather the pilots, aircrew etc was under the Army until April 1918

Hi Carolyn I went to see if there was any more detail on his medal card but could not find it That could be a problem with Ancestry new search which still often baffles me with the results it produces (generally totally alien to the criteria searched for) Did you get his numbers from his card? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 18/04/2014 23:08, Carolyn McCartney wrote: > I am trying to find my grandfather's military army records on Ancestry but > have drawn a blank. He appears to have had two regimental numbers (is this > always the case when you moved regiments?) but when I omit all details > including his name and only put in his regimental number it comes up with > someone else's details - a Frederick Ham. My grandfather was George > Frederick MOSS b 1899 Stamford Hill, Hackney. He was L/Cpl 25051 51st Royal > Warwicks but also L/Cpl 535011 216th Infry Bdr, Signal Office. The > regimental number could possibly 538011. The first numeral one could