Hi Jeanette I suspect John already knows but for others, this is the listing for Westminster burials on findmypast Unfortunately not his Parish HANWELL CEMETERY 1867 1932 ST ANNE, SOHO 1686 1917 ST CLEMENT DANES 1558 1890 ST GEORGE, HANOVER SQUARE 1818 1874 ST GEORGE'S CHAPEL, ALBEMARLE ST 1894 1903 ST JAMES, PICCADILLY 1815 1853 ST JAMES, WESTMINSTER 1685 1956 ST JOHN THE EVANGELIST, SMITH SQ 1825 1855 ST JOHN, SMITH SQUARE 1783 1853 ST MARGARET, WESTMINSTER 1539 1996 ST MARK, NORTH AUDLEY ST 1828 1852 ST MARTIN IN THE FIELDS 1684 1856 ST MARY LE STRAND 1705 1853 ST MARY-LE-STRAND 1559 1853 ST PAUL, COVENT GARDEN 1653 1853 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/05/2014 10:36, J.M.de Montalk wrote: > Some Westminster records are on findmypast. > > Jeanette > > >> On 20/05/2014 10:05, J. Townsend wrote: >>> I need to search for a burial, 1736-1746, in the register (or B.T.'s) of >>> St. >>> Giles in the Fields. I didn't find an entry in the LMA catalogue. Can >>> anyone advise, please?

I need to search for a burial, 1736-1746, in the register (or B.T.'s) of St. Giles in the Fields. I didn't find an entry in the LMA catalogue. Can anyone advise, please? I recall using some St. Giles in the Fields registers on microfilm at the LMA a few years ago. Regards, John Townsend

THERE WASA CHILDRENS HOME IN MIDDLESEX, I'M MOT FAMILIARE WITH THE ARES OR WHERE, BUT A RELATIVE , PATRICK CARMODY AND WIFE AND CHILDREN WORKED /LIVED THERE FOR WUITE AWHILE IN LATE 1880'S, YOU CAN CHECK ON CENSUS. I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY HAVE THE NAMES OF THOSE IN CUSTODAY. THEY CLOSRD IN EALY 1900'S AND ENT TO WORK OTHER PLACES. YOU MAY FIND OUT THE AREA THRU CHECKING CENSUS OF CARMODY AND HIS WORK PLACE AS TO TOWN AND CHECK ON WORKHOUSE FROM THAT AREA.

Pauline, Most of the children at Ashford would have been chargeable to one of the Westminster or west London poor law unions, such as St George's, Paddington, Fulham etc. Unless Samuel Denton RUSSELL's place of settlement was in that area, a child of his is unlikely to have been sent to Ashford (though it is still possible). If Samuel's place of settlement was Bermondsey, his children would more probably have been at the South Metropolitan school in Sutton. In 1881 there is an Alfred RUSSELL, aged 8, boarding with a HOARE(?) family in Stoke Poges, Buckinghamshire (RG11/ 1462 folio 60 page 16). This Alfred is recorded as born in London. Not very helpful, but just another possibility. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pauline Taylor Sent: 14 May 2014 22:32 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDX] West London District School Following on from Judy's response to Connie's query does anyone know why my grandfather Alfred RUSSELL, born in Fosters Buildings, Whitecross Street in January 1874, would have been an inmate in the West London District School in 1881 when there is an Alfred RUSSELL aged 7 listed as an inmate at the school. This Alfred is the right age but his place of birth is recorded as unknown. There is no other Alfred RUSSELL in 1881 who could be him that I have found. My great grandfather, Samuel Denton RUSSELL was a widower in 1881, and he was living at 196 Whitecross Street with his eldest son, Arthur RUSSELL aged 16. There were two other children not living with him, a daughter, Jane RUSSELL, aged 14, who was I think in domestic service, and another son Samuel RUSSELL, aged 12, who is missing completely. It all seems very strange to me as my great grandfather was in employment as a butcher in 1881 so there was no workhouse connection to explain why my grandfather had been sent away to the residential school. By 1891 the family were together again. If anyone can help I would really appreciate it. Many thanks, Pauline Taylor. In Colchester Britain's First City.

Following on from Judy's response to Connie's query does anyone know why my grandfather Alfred RUSSELL, born in Fosters Buildings, Whitecross Street in January 1874, would have been an inmate in the West London District School in 1881 when there is an Alfred RUSSELL aged 7 listed as an inmate at the school. This Alfred is the right age but his place of birth is recorded as unknown. There is no other Alfred RUSSELL in 1881 who could be him that I have found. My great grandfather, Samuel Denton RUSSELL was a widower in 1881, and he was living at 196 Whitecross Street with his eldest son, Arthur RUSSELL aged 16. There were two other children not living with him, a daughter, Jane RUSSELL, aged 14, who was I think in domestic service, and another son Samuel RUSSELL, aged 12, who is missing completely. It all seems very strange to me as my great grandfather was in employment as a butcher in 1881 so there was no workhouse connection to explain why my grandfather had been sent away to the residential school. By 1891 the family were together again. If anyone can help I would really appreciate it. Many thanks, Pauline Taylor. In Colchester Britain's First City.

On 12/05/2014 11:02, Michael Allbrook wrote: > But perhaps he kept his birt name to emigrate Possibly but I've never found him under either his birth name or his stepfather's.I'm going to pop round to a friend's place and check some of the other ports of entry on Ancestry.com -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

But perhaps he kept his birt name to emigrate Michael -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Connie Sent: 12 May 2014 10:49 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] Children's Homes 1875-1880 On 11/05/2014 16:08, Michael Allbrook wrote: > A thought. If you discover details of his emigration it will tell you > the names of his fellow travellers. He might have been with another > family who had offered him a new life, with his parents agreement. > This was after all in the days before formal adoption was introduced. > This would not involve anybody except the two families Thank you for the thought. I've wondered about this as well. If his mother was persuaded to give up her son and his new family did emigrate in 1880, I'm unlikely to find him if he sailing under his new family's name. He knew his birth name, his mother's name and his stepfather's. I'm not sure a 5 year old would know that. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/ . ************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* superfluous old messages in replies. Only include the one to which you are replying. *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com The archives can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 11/05/2014 16:08, Michael Allbrook wrote: > A thought. If you discover details of his emigration it will tell > you the names of his fellow travellers. He might have been with > another family who had offered him a new life, with his parents > agreement. This was after all in the days before formal adoption > was introduced. This would not involve anybody except the two > families Thank you for the thought. I've wondered about this as well. If his mother was persuaded to give up her son and his new family did emigrate in 1880, I'm unlikely to find him if he sailing under his new family's name. He knew his birth name, his mother's name and his stepfather's. I'm not sure a 5 year old would know that. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

A thought. If you discover details of his emigration it will tell you the names of his fellow travellers. He might have been with another family who had offered him a new life, with his parents agreement. This was after all in the days before formal adoption was introduced. This would not involve anybody except the two families Michael Allbrook -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Connie Sent: 11 May 2014 13:19 To: Judy Lester; middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] Children's Homes 1875-1880 On 11/05/2014 11:43, Judy Lester wrote: > > It’s less a question of which institutions were in the vicinity of the > workhouse, but more of which institutions were actually used by the > relevant poor law union. These may have been outside the area, or even > outside London. For example, he could have been emigrated from the > West London School District at Ashford, via an intermediary > organisation (see http://www.workhouses.org.uk/WestLondonSD). > Whether or not he was > Catholic might also affect where he was cared > for. > > In any event you will probably need to look at the records of the St > George’s Union (at LMA). You may get somewhere with those that are > online, if you have Ancestry access (browsable only, under 'London, > England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1430-1930, > Westminster'), and they do include a register for the school at > Ashford. But the best source would probably be the St George’s Board > of Guardians’ minute books, since these often list (or discuss) those > children in their care who were candidates for emigration. > Unfortunately, the minute books are not online. Thank you for your reply and the link. He wasn't Catholic as far as I know. The rest of the family weren't. I'll have a look on Ancestry to see what I can find. Thank you for your help. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/ . ************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* superfluous old messages in replies. Only include the one to which you are replying. *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com The archives can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 11/05/2014 11:43, Judy Lester wrote: > > It’s less a question of which institutions were in the vicinity of > the workhouse, but more of which institutions were actually used by > the relevant poor law union. These may have been outside the area, > or even outside London. For example, he could have been emigrated > from the West London School District at Ashford, via an intermediary > organisation (see http://www.workhouses.org.uk/WestLondonSD). > Whether or not he was > Catholic might also affect where he was > cared for. > > In any event you will probably need to look at the records of the > St George’s Union (at LMA). You may get somewhere with those that > are online, if you have Ancestry access (browsable only, under > 'London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, > 1430-1930, Westminster'), and they do include a register for the > school at Ashford. But the best source would probably be the St > George’s Board of Guardians’ minute books, since these often list > (or discuss) those children in their care who were candidates for > emigration. Unfortunately, the minute books are not online. Thank you for your reply and the link. He wasn't Catholic as far as I know. The rest of the family weren't. I'll have a look on Ancestry to see what I can find. Thank you for your help. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

Connie, It’s less a question of which institutions were in the vicinity of the workhouse, but more of which institutions were actually used by the relevant poor law union. These may have been outside the area, or even outside London. For example, he could have been emigrated from the West London School District at Ashford, via an intermediary organisation (see http://www.workhouses.org.uk/WestLondonSD). Whether or not he was Catholic might also affect where he was cared for. In any event you will probably need to look at the records of the St George’s Union (at LMA). You may get somewhere with those that are online, if you have Ancestry access (browsable only, under 'London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1430-1930, Westminster'), and they do include a register for the school at Ashford. But the best source would probably be the St George’s Board of Guardians’ minute books, since these often list (or discuss) those children in their care who were candidates for emigration. Unfortunately, the minute books are not online. HTH Judy London, UK ----- Original Message ----- From: Connie <connie.sparrer@gmail.com> One of my ancestors (b1875) claimed to have emigrated to the US in 1880.  He was illegitimate and born in the St Geo Hanover Square Workhouse.  I think it would have been in the infirmary because his mother gave her home address on his birth certificate.  His mother subsequently married in 1877 and stayed in this country. Does anyone know what children's homes would have been in the vicinity of the Workhouse that he might have been placed in that could have sent him to Canada or the US?  Dr Barnardo's is the obvious one but I think there may have been others. I've had a look on the British Home Children site.  He's not listed but they do say the database is incomplete.

One of my ancestors (b1875) claimed to have emigrated to the US in 1880. He was illegitimate and born in the St Geo Hanover Square Workhouse. I think it would have been in the infirmary because his mother gave her home address on his birth certificate. His mother subsequently married in 1877 and stayed in this country. Does anyone know what children's homes would have been in the vicinity of the Workhouse that he might have been placed in that could have sent him to Canada or the US? Dr Barnardo's is the obvious one but I think there may have been others. I've had a look on the British Home Children site. He's not listed but they do say the database is incomplete. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

Hello April It was St Margarets at Uxbridge that didn't do weddings until it became the parish church in 1827. St Marys at Harmondsworth covered all events - baptisms, marriages, and burials. Regards Tony >All 4 children were baptised at St Marys, Harmondsworth, which I have learned, did christenings and burials but not weddings. <

Just want to pick a few brains for some good idea's as to how I can look further into the WOODMAN family. I have JAMES WOODMAN who married OLIVE ?? about 1818.. Then everything gets very sad. They had 3 daughters (the first 1819 ,who all died before 1825. The last baby a boy HENRY WOODMAN survived. The father James died 1825 the year Henry was born and the mother Olive died 1828. All 4 children were baptised at St Marys, Harmondsworth, which I have learned, did christenings and burials but not weddings. Try as I might, even with the help of a kind gentleman who went into Uxbridge Record centre to search, there does not seem to be a marriage for the parents. As the surviving child, Henry could have been put into an institution if no relatives took him in. Has anyone any good advice as to where I might start looking if Henry was put into an institution? I'm hoping that there might be someone else who has researched this family line and has more answers than I have succeeded in finding. Kind regards. April. New Forest

There is an unproven marriage of Florence Mills, December qtr., 1911, 1c/937, to either Arthur J. Alexander/William C.Piercy. Neither found in 1901 census. Any lister with knowledge of either possible husband for Florence ??? Les H, Napier, NZ.

On 28/04/2014 22:34, ljhewett@ihug.co.nz wrote: > There is an unproven marriage of Florence Mills, December qtr., 1911, > 1c/937, to either Arthur J. Alexander/William C.Piercy. Neither found in > 1901 census. Any lister with knowledge of either possible husband for > Florence ??? It's on Ancestry's London Marriages database. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

Hi Les There are a number of Alexander/Mills births in or near Poplar in the years after the marriage. There are no Alexander/Fawkes births. So it looks like she married Arthur. Hope this helps Caroline > There is an unproven marriage of Florence Mills, December qtr., 1911, > 1c/937, to either Arthur J. Alexander/William C.Piercy. Neither found in > 1901 census. Any lister with knowledge of either possible husband for > Florence ??? Les H, Napier, NZ. > >

On 28/04/2014 10:37, April wrote: > Is it possible to get M arriges or Deaths from the Parish or Poor Law > Union, Uxbridge St. Michael. I have just been searching their site but, > because I have no idea which church JAMES WOODMAN and his bride OLIVE > ?? were married in, so I cannot find her maiden name. It would have to > be about the time of 1818 onwards because their first child was baptised > 23/5/1819 at St Marys/Margarets, Harmondsworth, which I have recently > been told, do not do weddings. Only batisms and burials. > > Also, would the Parish and Poor Law Union have their own burial grounds > and registers? Think of the Poor Law Unions in terms of today's Benefits Agency. Parishes did have their own registers for baptisms, marriages and burials, not births or deaths though, although many London parishes did add dates of birth to baptisms. Churches did have their own graveyards but these were getting full and cemeteries were opened from the latter half of the 1800s. More rural areas would have been able to keep their graveyards open for longer. Ancestry's idea of London seems to be somewhat elastic. Have you tried their parish marriages and burials on the off chance? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Is it possible to get M arriges or Deaths from the Parish or Poor Law Union, Uxbridge St. Michael. I have just been searching their site but, because I have no idea which church JAMES WOODMAN and his bride OLIVE ?? were married in, so I cannot find her maiden name. It would have to be about the time of 1818 onwards because their first child was baptised 23/5/1819 at St Marys/Margarets, Harmondsworth, which I have recently been told, do not do weddings. Only batisms and burials. Also, would the Parish and Poor Law Union have their own burial grounds and registers? I have found the baptisms of all their 3 children and their deaths in 1819, 1827.1825 . James died 1825 aged 29 years and Olive died 1828 aged about 35 years.. Their only son HENRY survived and later married. I also wonder if I could find what caused all those tragic deaths. I would appreciate any help about the above. With many thanks especially to those who have offered information already. Kind regards. April. New Forest

Please can anyone find a marriage circa 1830 between Mary Frailing (Freeling) and a man called Stanton or Staunton? Briefly, this couple had two children christened, Agnes and Charles, at St. Peter's, Eaton Square, Pimlico, 1831 and 1834. In the register, their father went under different names, viz. William Henry Stanton and Charles Staunton, gentleman. The addresses were first Motcomb Street, then Coleshill Street. In other sources (rate books and land tax) he is William Charles Stanton or W.C. Stanton. Later in 1834 the family moved to Selwood Place, Brompton. Mary was buried 14 November 1834 at Holy Trinity, Brompton, described as Mary Fearling Staunton, aged 25. I would like to know what became of her partner. They may not have been married. "William Charles Stanton" appears in the rate books for Selwood Place until the spring of 1835, after which I have lost sight of him. Regards, John Townsend