Hi again Now that is good news I missed the address check in 1891, I should have realised that one, and yes looking at that entry its definitely them, the Catherine v Caroline is almost certainly the poor old enumerator trying to read a scrawly hand on the schedule I had wondered about the Woking cemetery, I was hovering between that and Country (given where the wording was) Woking was the location of the first official cremation too I am still not 100% convinced on Woking Cemetery being the wording but I guess time will tell, if you find the burials there But a good outcome isn't it and good to hear of it, so many never repost the end of a saga Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > I asked elsewhere subsequently. It was initially thought it might > be "Laundry Worker" but that's unlikely given Caroline left just over > 777GBP in her will. > > The concensus, more or less, is that the mystery words are "Woking > Cimatry [sic]", the latter being written above "Woking". I didn't > think that would be likely but apparently there were London parishes > who had an arrangement for their deceased to be buried there and there > was a dedicated rail line from London to Brookwood. Wikipedia has an > interesting article on the cemetery. Now I have to find if any of the > children were buried there. > > Thanks to your find of Charles Vernon being a soldier, I think I have > found his parents in the 1891 census. John is down as an out of work > tailor and Caroline is down as Catherine. Her daughter is given as > Catherine E which lends a degree of support to my supposition that > Elizabeth was her middle name. The clincher is the census family were > living at 3 Endell Street, the same address Charles gave for his > father on his attestation papers. >

On 10/06/2014 23:03, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Its a good one isn't it > > Well I like a challenge but this has me foxed > > all my children born alive by my husband 4 deceased (been or born?) in > ???? ?????? I asked elsewhere subsequently. It was initially thought it might be "Laundry Worker" but that's unlikely given Caroline left just over 777GBP in her will. The concensus, more or less, is that the mystery words are "Woking Cimatry [sic]", the latter being written above "Woking". I didn't think that would be likely but apparently there were London parishes who had an arrangement for their deceased to be buried there and there was a dedicated rail line from London to Brookwood. Wikipedia has an interesting article on the cemetery. Now I have to find if any of the children were buried there. Thanks to your find of Charles Vernon being a soldier, I think I have found his parents in the 1891 census. John is down as an out of work tailor and Caroline is down as Catherine. Her daughter is given as Catherine E which lends a degree of support to my supposition that Elizabeth was her middle name. The clincher is the census family were living at 3 Endell Street, the same address Charles gave for his father on his attestation papers. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

Hi Maureen I had a look in the available newspapers but found nothing except reports of a murder by a tennis coach whose address was Lammas Park Road in 1936 (Linford DERRICK) Have you tried making contact with <http://www.ealing.gov.uk/info/200461/local_history_centre/944/contact_us_local_history_centre> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/06/2014 01:30, Maureen Short wrote: > I am new to the list so hope that this is relevant. > > Frank was my mother's younger brother and I understood from her that he > was good at tennis and played for Middlesex as a young man. He played at > Lammas Park tennis club at South Ealing. > Frank was born 1915 so I would think that the years from c1931 to 1940 > was when he played. I recall that occasionally I watched him play at > Lammas when I was a child. My mother also mentioned that he had won some > cups but when I asked his stepson about them, he believed that if > anything of that nature was in the house then they would have gone in > the house clearance. > > Does anybody know about the tennis club? > Where would I find out information as I understand that the Lammas Park > Tennis Club has now changed to a sports centre. > > I would be very grateful for any information or ideas to help in > discovering what he may have achieved and the tennis club history. > > Maureen. > Milton Keynes. > . > ************************************** > Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* superfluous old messages in replies. Only include the one to which you are replying. > > *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > > The archives can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk > > . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am new to the list so hope that this is relevant. Frank was my mother's younger brother and I understood from her that he was good at tennis and played for Middlesex as a young man. He played at Lammas Park tennis club at South Ealing. Frank was born 1915 so I would think that the years from c1931 to 1940 was when he played. I recall that occasionally I watched him play at Lammas when I was a child. My mother also mentioned that he had won some cups but when I asked his stepson about them, he believed that if anything of that nature was in the house then they would have gone in the house clearance. Does anybody know about the tennis club? Where would I find out information as I understand that the Lammas Park Tennis Club has now changed to a sports centre. I would be very grateful for any information or ideas to help in discovering what he may have achieved and the tennis club history. Maureen. Milton Keynes.

On 12/06/2014 15:49, eve@varneys.org.uk wrote: > The 1881 census shows > John Holman Joyce 42 Music litho printer b Lincolns Inn > Caroline 44 miscellaneous dealwer b Lincolns Inn > Elizabeth 28 b Southwar > Charles 11 b St Pancras > Mary Agnes 5 b Paddington Yes, that's them. Thank you. Elizabeth was born Caroline Elizabeth BEALE. > In 1901 John Joyce 62 and Caroline 64 have forgotten where born other > than London Better than nothing at all :) > in 1891 Charles (Joseph) is staying with an uncle and aunt, Arthur Jennings > 60, commercial traveller, Marie 52 b bromley (in bromley) Unfortunately this isn't John and Caroline's son. Their son, Charles, was born Charles Vernon and he died in 1890 in the Farnham RD -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

nusual amount of time to collect and write up a report of info > On 10/06/2014 23:03, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > Its a good one isn't it > > > > Well I like a challenge but this has me foxed > > > > all my children born alive by my husband 4 deceased (been or born?) in > > ???? ?????? > > It's very difficult to separate the last two words. On the next line > Caroline has put "Means". Another hand has added "Pte". I'm > wondering if those two words are somehow connected with that. Her > husband had been a music printer, like his father The 1881 census shows John Holman Joyce 42 Music litho printer b Lincolns Inn Caroline 44 miscellaneous dealwer b Lincolns Inn Elizabeth 28 b Southwar Charles 11 b St Pancras Mary Agnes 5 b Paddington In 1901 John Joyce 62 and Caroline 64 have forgotten where born other than London in 1891 Charles (Joseph) is staying with an uncle and aunt, Arthur Jennings 60, commercial traveller, Marie 52 b bromley (in bromley) in 1894 Charles joseph Joyce son of John married Jessie Selina Pitt d Henry john on 4 Nov, Brompley Church In 1911 Charles Joyce 41, cashier at a horse repository! born 'Bromley' Jessie aged 40 married 16 yrs 6 chn, all living Henry 15 junior clerk newspaper office b Bromley Jessie 14 b Poplar Hilda 12m b S Bromley Katherine 9, Winifred 7 b Limehouse Doris 7 months b Mile end > so if Mary agnes survived too, they must have had more than 5. > Also Col 14 where she has "London/Parish not known)" she seems to have > written over a (possibly) pencilled answer. It looks as though she > needed help completing the schedule. > > > Very lightly in pencil then perhaps rubbed out it states married 47 > > years, total children born alive = 4 , one still living, five children > > died (which does not make a lot of sense) I suspect the numbers are in > > the wrong boxes, and should be 5 - 1 - 4 > > 47 years would be right but goodness knows how you spotted that! I > can barely see it even knowing it's there! > > I thought the number of children might still be awry but having worked > through what you found and compared with what I found I think that's > right, although I have a total of six children: 5 born, 4 lost, 1 > surviving with John Holman JOYCE, and 1 surviving with John BEALE. > > > In an effort to try and find a clue I looked through the census etc > > After I posted I carried on digging, so I can concur and/or add to > what you've found. It helps to know someone else has found the same > things I did or more. It means I'm on the right track. > > > Some notes below > > > > Marriages Sep 1864 > > Joyce John Holman St Martin 1a 730 > > Beale Caroline Margaret St Martin 1a 730 > > Caroline's maiden name was HAWKESWORTH. She'd married John BEALE in > the Sept qtr of 1862 but he died the following qtr. She then married > John JOYCE on 11 July 1864, St Martins in the Fields. FamilySearch > has the marriage and it gives Caroline's surname as HAWKESWORTH or > BEALE. I don't know if she had any children with John BEALE but > there's an intriguing birth and death of a John Hawkesworth BEALE in > 1860. It'll have to wait though because the BEALEs aren't really > family but it may be two brothers marrying two sisters who may or may > not be connected.. > > > Holman Langston JOYCE bap 22 Jun 1965 St Mary Lambeth > > (born Holman Langstow?, died 1868 Westminster) > > He was born 12 June 1865. I think his middle name should be Langston > and an open 'n' has been mistranscribed. I haven't got to finding out > where it came from. Holman was his grandmother's maiden name. > > > Elizabeth b1863 Southwark (9 in 1871 census born Old Kent Road) > > I've picked her up in the 1881 census but I think she was Caroline's > daughter by John BEALE. How did you manage to find her in 1871? I've > tried several times and been unsuccessful every time. > > > William H (or N) (3 in 1871 born Pimlico) > > (reg as William Henry Poplar 1868) > > Possibly married Sarah Ann BROWN in 1911 RG14 1684 RD22 SD2 ED7 SN89 > > (Ada, WIlliam & Elsie childers) > > > > *marriage now discounted given 1911, one child living = Mary Agnes ERSSER* > > This is where we differ. > > FamilySearch has William Alfred bapt 19 Nov 1868 in St Mary Soho to > John and Caroline, died June qtr 1872 St Pancras RD > > There's also a Lilian Maud bapt 22 Oct 1874 in St Mary Soho, again to > John and Caroline, died June qtr 1875 St Pancras RD > > > Charles 1870 St Pancras Middlesex (4 mths in 1871 b MDX St Pancras) > > (born Charles Vernon 1870) > > Joined Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders 1889 previously 5th Btn Royal > > Fusiliers > > Died 4th Aug 1890 (reg Farnham Surrey) > > NOK John H JOYCE 3 Endell St Long Acre London MDX > > Charles Vernon was bapt 5 Dec 1870 at St Mary Soho to John Holman and > Caroline Mary > > I found his death but hadn't found he was a soldier. Another place to > look. > > > Mary Agnes 1876 St Anne Middlesex > > (costumiers apprentice 1891 in Sydenham RG12 523 68 39) > > Married Joseph Thomas ERSSER Lambeth 1895 > > I picked her up on the 1881 census but I haven't been able to find any > of the family in 1891 > > > > ========== > > > > Thought this may be above William H but now discounted > > > > 1901 > > William H JOYCE 33 railway engine driver Old Ford MDX > > Sarah A JOYCE 30 St George East MDX > > Ada C E 9 (Ada Caroline E b1892 reg Poplar) > > William C H (William Charles Henry b1893 reg Poplar) > > Elsie M 1 (Elsie May b1899 reg Poplar) > > RG13/345 > > I'll still keep a note of him as he may yet be connected, albeit not > to John Holman JOYCE. > > > Carolines administration with will is in 1913, listing Mary Agnes ERSSER > > (wife of Joseph Thomas ERSSER) > > Thank you for that one. Caroline left a tidy sum. I wonder where it > came from.her husband, John Holman, was a printer but doesn't seem to > have left a will. > > > So she is the surviving child > > > > But what that last wording in 1911 might be is still a mystery > > > > 1911 for ERSSER (ESSER on Ancestry) > > 1871 JOYCE family > > > > Saved if required > > Thank you :) > > -- > Connie > http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/ > . > ************************************** > Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* superfluous old messages in replies. 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On 11/06/2014 15:57, Nivard Ovington wrote: > For the 1871 on Ancestry (nicely mangled but the writing is not the > best) I suspect the writing on the schedule was not very readable, hence > no birthplaces on some If Caroline completed it, which I think would have been the first time she had, hardly surprising it wasn't legible. Thank you for entering a correction for the family. I had a closer look at the page and Elizabeth has ditto marks before her name so she was /Caroline/ Elizabeth and that definitely does make her a BEALE and not a JOYCE. She was born Sept qtr 1862, same quarter her parents married. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

On 11/06/2014 15:57, Nivard Ovington wrote: > For the 1871 on Ancestry (nicely mangled but the writing is not the > best) I suspect the writing on the schedule was not very readable, hence > no birthplaces on some > > > 1871 England Census about Caroline M Ivyce 8>< Thank you. No wonder I couldn't find it! -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

For the 1871 on Ancestry (nicely mangled but the writing is not the best) I suspect the writing on the schedule was not very readable, hence no birthplaces on some 1871 England Census about Caroline M Ivyce Name: Caroline M Ivyce Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1837 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: John H Ivyce Gender: Female Civil Parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Tottenham Court ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household schedule number: 32 Piece: 208 Folio: 6 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age John H Ivyce 32 printer no birthplace Caroline M Ivyce 34 no birthplace Elizth Ivyce 9 Old Kent road William H Ivyce 3 Pimlico Chas V Ivyce 4 Months Middx St Pancras Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 208; Folio: 6; Page: 6; GSU roll: 824594. More anon Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > I've picked her up in the 1881 census but I think she was Caroline's > daughter by John BEALE. How did you manage to find her in 1871? I've > tried several times and been unsuccessful every time. >

On 10/06/2014 23:03, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Its a good one isn't it > > Well I like a challenge but this has me foxed > > all my children born alive by my husband 4 deceased (been or born?) in > ???? ?????? It's very difficult to separate the last two words. On the next line Caroline has put "Means". Another hand has added "Pte". I'm wondering if those two words are somehow connected with that. Her husband had been a music printer, like his father Also Col 14 where she has "London/Parish not known)" she seems to have written over a (possibly) pencilled answer. It looks as though she needed help completing the schedule. > Very lightly in pencil then perhaps rubbed out it states married 47 > years, total children born alive = 4 , one still living, five children > died (which does not make a lot of sense) I suspect the numbers are in > the wrong boxes, and should be 5 - 1 - 4 47 years would be right but goodness knows how you spotted that! I can barely see it even knowing it's there! I thought the number of children might still be awry but having worked through what you found and compared with what I found I think that's right, although I have a total of six children: 5 born, 4 lost, 1 surviving with John Holman JOYCE, and 1 surviving with John BEALE. > In an effort to try and find a clue I looked through the census etc After I posted I carried on digging, so I can concur and/or add to what you've found. It helps to know someone else has found the same things I did or more. It means I'm on the right track. > Some notes below > > Marriages Sep 1864 > Joyce John Holman St Martin 1a 730 > Beale Caroline Margaret St Martin 1a 730 Caroline's maiden name was HAWKESWORTH. She'd married John BEALE in the Sept qtr of 1862 but he died the following qtr. She then married John JOYCE on 11 July 1864, St Martins in the Fields. FamilySearch has the marriage and it gives Caroline's surname as HAWKESWORTH or BEALE. I don't know if she had any children with John BEALE but there's an intriguing birth and death of a John Hawkesworth BEALE in 1860. It'll have to wait though because the BEALEs aren't really family but it may be two brothers marrying two sisters who may or may not be connected.. > Holman Langston JOYCE bap 22 Jun 1965 St Mary Lambeth > (born Holman Langstow?, died 1868 Westminster) He was born 12 June 1865. I think his middle name should be Langston and an open 'n' has been mistranscribed. I haven't got to finding out where it came from. Holman was his grandmother's maiden name. > Elizabeth b1863 Southwark (9 in 1871 census born Old Kent Road) I've picked her up in the 1881 census but I think she was Caroline's daughter by John BEALE. How did you manage to find her in 1871? I've tried several times and been unsuccessful every time. > William H (or N) (3 in 1871 born Pimlico) > (reg as William Henry Poplar 1868) > Possibly married Sarah Ann BROWN in 1911 RG14 1684 RD22 SD2 ED7 SN89 > (Ada, WIlliam & Elsie childers) > > *marriage now discounted given 1911, one child living = Mary Agnes ERSSER* This is where we differ. FamilySearch has William Alfred bapt 19 Nov 1868 in St Mary Soho to John and Caroline, died June qtr 1872 St Pancras RD There's also a Lilian Maud bapt 22 Oct 1874 in St Mary Soho, again to John and Caroline, died June qtr 1875 St Pancras RD > Charles 1870 St Pancras Middlesex (4 mths in 1871 b MDX St Pancras) > (born Charles Vernon 1870) > Joined Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders 1889 previously 5th Btn Royal > Fusiliers > Died 4th Aug 1890 (reg Farnham Surrey) > NOK John H JOYCE 3 Endell St Long Acre London MDX Charles Vernon was bapt 5 Dec 1870 at St Mary Soho to John Holman and Caroline Mary I found his death but hadn't found he was a soldier. Another place to look. > Mary Agnes 1876 St Anne Middlesex > (costumiers apprentice 1891 in Sydenham RG12 523 68 39) > Married Joseph Thomas ERSSER Lambeth 1895 I picked her up on the 1881 census but I haven't been able to find any of the family in 1891 > > ========== > > Thought this may be above William H but now discounted > > 1901 > William H JOYCE 33 railway engine driver Old Ford MDX > Sarah A JOYCE 30 St George East MDX > Ada C E 9 (Ada Caroline E b1892 reg Poplar) > William C H (William Charles Henry b1893 reg Poplar) > Elsie M 1 (Elsie May b1899 reg Poplar) > RG13/345 I'll still keep a note of him as he may yet be connected, albeit not to John Holman JOYCE. > Carolines administration with will is in 1913, listing Mary Agnes ERSSER > (wife of Joseph Thomas ERSSER) Thank you for that one. Caroline left a tidy sum. I wonder where it came from.her husband, John Holman, was a printer but doesn't seem to have left a will. > So she is the surviving child > > But what that last wording in 1911 might be is still a mystery > > 1911 for ERSSER (ESSER on Ancestry) > 1871 JOYCE family > > Saved if required Thank you :) -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

April, For less common surnames, you may be able to cross-check online marriage indexes (e.g. at Ancestry/FamilySearch/FindMyPast) against the licence index, to see if any of the possible licence entries can be eliminated that way. Vicar-General marriage licences could be issued for marriages across the whole of the Archdiocese of Canterbury (effectively the southern half of England). Otherwise, I'm afraid there is no way of finding out the spouses' forenames without accessing a copy of the document (usually an allegation and/or bond). The originals are held at Lambeth Palace, but the usual means of access is via the Society of Genealogists, who hold microfilms. You can order printouts from these films through the SoG website (£10 each). Please see this link. http://bit.ly/1klF25s There are also LDS films available, which can be viewed at one of their Family History Centres. HTH Judy London, UK ----- Original Message ----- From: April <adale41@googlemail.com> Subject: [MDX] VICAR GENERAL MARRIAGE LICENCE Could I ask please for help as to where I can write to get more info on Vicar General Marriage Licences. I have 3 marriages I would like to check  belonging to WOODMAN marriages.  It supplies the male surname and the female surname along with the dates, but no christian names.  One of these 3 might be the marriage I am searching for. Thank you for any help. April.                            New Forest

Connie and Brad. Thank you for your help. Like everything from way back before 1837 it is much, much harder to research families. Kind regards. April

April, Surviving coroners' records for the Western District of Middlesex are held at London Metropolitan Archives, among the Middlesex Sessions Papers, although there are more for the late 1700s than for the early 1800s. Some of them have been listed online at Access to Archives -- please see this link. http://bit.ly/1l7Lw7X I suggest you email LMA with details of the case, and ask if they have anything. It is a slim chance, but you just might be lucky. That sort of general query is normally answered free of charge. ask.lma@cityoflondon.gov.uk Otherwise, I suggest you try the newspapers (if you haven't already). http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ HTH Judy London, UK ----- Original Message ----- From: April <adale41@googlemail.com> How would I go about getting a Coroners Report on 5 deaths in one family  between  the years  of 1825  and 1828  in Uxbridge? April

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:28:49 +0100 April <adale41@googlemail.com> wrote: Hello April, >How would I go about getting a Coroners Report on 5 deaths in one >family between the years of 1825 and 1828 in Uxbridge? Connie is correct. Coroners keep records for a period of (IIRC) fifteen years, after which they can dispose of them as they see fit. Only in exceptional(1) circumstances are reports kept for longer. By all means contact the relevant Coroner's Office and County Record Office to see if they have anything. Otherwise, it's local newspapers. When I say local newspapers, I don't necessarily mean just those local to the area of the death. I have several reports of a death in Kent picked up from places as far afield as Aberdeen, Exeter and Cardiff. Whilst these reports are obviously all based on the same root story they quote or paraphrase it in different ways. Strangely, the most complete story seems to be the one in the Aberdeen paper. Perhaps there was a lack of local news that week. (1) I've no concrete idea what might be determined as exceptional. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" People stare like they've seen a ghost Titanic (My Over) Reaction - 999

On 11/06/2014 08:28, April wrote: > How would I go about getting a Coroners Report on 5 deaths in one > family between the years of 1825 and 1828 in Uxbridge? I don't think you can get them. If I remember rightly the coroner's reports belonged to them. They could throw them away if they wanted. They only kept the interesting ones. It was only after about 1900 the reports started being kept. Newspaper reports are more likely to exist. The coroner was told about any sudden deaths even if they were from natural causes. The local record office would have any reports or coroner's account that may still exist. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

Could it be that the man's proper name was John James MacQueen but he was always known by his middle name? My father was in this position, only ever known by his family and friends, including his own mother, by his middle name never his first given name. At his funeral several of my cousins were surprised to hear his first name read out as they never knew the situation of his proper name, they asked myself and my sisters about it afterwards as they were puzzled. I believe, from evidence I have since found, that his first name was given to him in memory of someone in the family who had died earlier. Might it have been the case that he have your James/John was baptised as John James but his father was also called John and the family called the son by his middle name, James, to differentiate him from his father? Regards Jenny DeAngelis <<I have found the image for Westminster burials records on Findmypast and wonder who compiled these? were they written at the time of burial. I am asking as my GGGGranfathers brother James MACQUEEN is shown as John MACQUEEN in the record. I had previously found a transcription on Ancestry and assumed it was a transcription mistake but now I see that it is incorrect in the written record. Could it be a transcription mistake then - 1830 - or could he have been known as John?>>

How would I go about getting a Coroners Report on 5 deaths in one family between the years of 1825 and 1828 in Uxbridge? April

Its a good one isn't it Well I like a challenge but this has me foxed all my children born alive by my husband 4 deceased (been or born?) in ???? ?????? Very lightly in pencil then perhaps rubbed out it states married 47 years, total children born alive = 4 , one still living, five children died (which does not make a lot of sense) I suspect the numbers are in the wrong boxes, and should be 5 - 1 - 4 In an effort to try and find a clue I looked through the census etc Some notes below Marriages Sep 1864 Joyce John Holman St Martin 1a 730 Beale Caroline Margaret St Martin 1a 730 Holman Langston JOYCE bap 22 Jun 1965 St Mary Lambeth (born Holman Langstow?, died 1868 Westminster) Elizabeth b1863 Southwark (9 in 1871 census born Old Kent Road) William H (or N) (3 in 1871 born Pimlico) (reg as William Henry Poplar 1868) Possibly married Sarah Ann BROWN in 1911 RG14 1684 RD22 SD2 ED7 SN89 (Ada, WIlliam & Elsie childers) *marriage now discounted given 1911, one child living = Mary Agnes ERSSER* Charles 1870 St Pancras Middlesex (4 mths in 1871 b MDX St Pancras) (born Charles Vernon 1870) Joined Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders 1889 previously 5th Btn Royal Fusiliers Died 4th Aug 1890 (reg Farnham Surrey) NOK John H JOYCE 3 Endell St Long Acre London MDX Mary Agnes 1876 St Anne Middlesex (costumiers apprentice 1891 in Sydenham RG12 523 68 39) Married Joseph Thomas ERSSER Lambeth 1895 ========== Thought this may be above William H but now discounted 1901 William H JOYCE 33 railway engine driver Old Ford MDX Sarah A JOYCE 30 St George East MDX Ada C E 9 (Ada Caroline E b1892 reg Poplar) William C H (William Charles Henry b1893 reg Poplar) Elsie M 1 (Elsie May b1899 reg Poplar) RG13/345 Carolines administration with will is in 1913, listing Mary Agnes ERSSER (wife of Joseph Thomas ERSSER) So she is the surviving child But what that last wording in 1911 might be is still a mystery 1911 for ERSSER (ESSER on Ancestry) 1871 JOYCE family Saved if required Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/06/2014 20:07, Connie wrote: > I have found Caroline Margaret JOYCE, age 74, living in East India > Dock Road in the 1911 census. > > But could someone please help me decipher what she's written across > the schedule? > > She starts off by saying "All my children [born] alive by my Husband > ..." after that it gets steadily indecipherable. Right at the end the > risers and descenders get tangled up. > > I've only found one child for her and her husband, John Holman JOYCE*, > but it seems she had at least 4. > > * married 11 July 1864, St Martins in the Fields; son, Holman Langston > JOYCE b 12 June 1865, Lambeth, d Dec qtr 1868 Westminster St James, age 3. >

I have found Caroline Margaret JOYCE, age 74, living in East India Dock Road in the 1911 census. But could someone please help me decipher what she's written across the schedule? She starts off by saying "All my children [born] alive by my Husband ..." after that it gets steadily indecipherable. Right at the end the risers and descenders get tangled up. I've only found one child for her and her husband, John Holman JOYCE*, but it seems she had at least 4. * married 11 July 1864, St Martins in the Fields; son, Holman Langston JOYCE b 12 June 1865, Lambeth, d Dec qtr 1868 Westminster St James, age 3. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

On 10/06/2014 10:12 AM, Robert MACQUEEN wrote: > > Hello > > I have found the image for Westminster burials records on Findmypast and wonder who compiled these? were they written at the time of burial. > > I am asking as my GGGGranfathers brother James MACQUEEN is shown as John MACQUEEN in the record. > > I had previously found a transcription on Ancestry and assumed it was a transcription mistake The usual thing was for the parish clerk to keep a rough notebook with details of events, which he then copied up at the end of the week (towns) or ut month/quarter (villages). If he scribbled down J McQueen, when he came to do the fair copy, his memory might have been faulty. Or he didn't all that much care as long as he got something down). EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society