Hello everyone. I am making another try at trying to find the maiden name of OLIVE who married JAMES WOODMAN who was baptised 14/2/1796. He died aged 29 12/12/1825 St. Margaret. Uxbridge. Olive was born about (estimated by death age) 1793. Buried 12/13/1828 aged 35. Their first daughter MARIA was baptised St. Marys, Harmondsworth 23/5/1819. Buried 25/7/1827 age 9 years. MARY baptised 9/11/1821. Buried 30/3/1827 age 5 years. CHARLOTTE/CHARLOTTA baptised 18/4 1821. Buried 30/12/1825. Son HENRY baptised 24/4/1825 and grew up to marry and have his own family. All 4 children were baptised at St. Marys or Sy Margargaret, Harmondsworth and living in Hertfordshire. . Because I cannot find any church wedding on any sites, or even any other wedding for them, I cannot find a surname that might fit OLIVE. Every site I have triedhas no information that might remotely fit her and where she was born. Not all church registers are opened up yet so this has made the going a bit tough. I am hoping that somebody just might have this family in their family line. If so, I would be so pleased if they would contact me. April. Hampshire

-------------------------------------------------- From: "Pauline Taylor" <ap.taylor@virgin.net> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 4:33 PM To: "Opiekan" <opiekan@iprimus.com.au> Subject: Re: [MDX] 1881 UK census searchable by address > I agree with Rose, my great grandfather gave a different place of birth > on virtually every Census form and said that his sons were born in totally > the wrong place, you have to think outside the box about these things. I > am beginning to think myself that our ancestors were very sparing with the > truth at all times, my same great grandfather said on his marriage > certificates, two of them, that his father was his mother's first > husband who had died many years before great grandfather was born. It > took me years to sort that one out! > > Pauline > In Colchester. Britain's First City. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 6:56 AM > To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [MDX] 1881 UK census searchable by address > >> You can't always rely on correct ages and birth places on Census forms, >> my >> gg grandmother never had the same age or birth place on the census. >> >> Now I have found a close match in 1871 census of St Lukes, 21 Reform >> Place >> which is just near Whitecross St. Mary Johnson widow aged 46 born Ireland >> and daughter Helen aged 18 born St Lukes. Helen could be Ellen and St >> Lukes might be an error of birthplace. >> RG10; Piece: 406; Folio: 29; Page: 14 >> Annie & Bridget were old enough to be in service and I did found possible >> matches, also a possible for Michael, student at a boys school. >> >> Rose >> >> >> >> >> >> >> . >> ************************************** >> Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* >> superfluous old messages in replies. Only include the one to which you >> are replying. >> >> *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in >> CAPITAL letters. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> The archives can be found at: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk >> >> . >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You can't always rely on correct ages and birth places on Census forms, my gg grandmother never had the same age or birth place on the census. Now I have found a close match in 1871 census of St Lukes, 21 Reform Place which is just near Whitecross St. Mary Johnson widow aged 46 born Ireland and daughter Helen aged 18 born St Lukes. Helen could be Ellen and St Lukes might be an error of birthplace. RG10; Piece: 406; Folio: 29; Page: 14 Annie & Bridget were old enough to be in service and I did found possible matches, also a possible for Michael, student at a boys school. Rose

Could this be Mary ? 1891 Census Chelsea RG 12/61 Folio 4 Page 2 152 Walton Street Mary Johnston b 1825 Dublin Widow living on own means Annie Johnston b 1850 Kildare single Artist Designer

Looking further into Bridget, correct me if I am wrong but I think Hewell should actually be Rothwell as I can find Bridget & family as Rothwell up to 1911 in St Lukes. But in 1901 Robert is at the Salvation Army Shelter 25 Charles Street, his occupation as firewood merchant is same as in 1881 but he is listed as single. 1911 Bridget is at 26 Ironmongers St St Luke, a char women married 34 years, 13 children, 6 living, 7 deceased with her is daughter Annie aged 17. Rose

Think I found some of the family 1881. In the 1861 Census of family at Aldershot there is a Michael b 1857 Barbados not Charles Alexander. 1881 Census St Lukes RG11 Piece 368 Folio 90 Page 9 5 Davis Court St Lukes Robert Hewell, wife Bridget born 1855 St Lukes and Michael Johnson b 1857 West Indies Rose

> > In 1873 their daughter Bridget married and on the certificate it said that > John was a stoker.(so still alive at the time) This is not necessarily so. When someone married and was asked the name of his or her father, most people gave the name (if known). It doesn't prove he was alive, since the name remains a fact even when the person dies. The vicar would not necessarily pursue the matter and say, 'oh' is he dead or alive?' unless the bride was in deep mourning, or she volunterered the information. Some couples did say 'oh, but he's dead' - and some were not necessarily telling the truth, since it could be inconvenient to suggest there was a father around who might object to an underage marriage, or, even if he didn't, would be required to give written or in person consent, when he was miles away and unable to write. So the existence of a name never proves the existence of a person. > > In 1886 their daughter Ellen was murdered at Curtis St. Marcus St. West Ham > and at the inquest Mary said that she was living at 18 Underwood St. > > Ellen's children went into Dr. Barnardos in 1888 and my grandmother, one of > the children told me that was because their grandmother had died. Not sure > if that was true or not as I haven't found her death. Could be a polite fiction for 'she didn't want to take on small children'. (The name Mary johnson/Johnston is not uncommon and she may have moved - or remarried. EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

FMP = Findmypast I imagine. Jeanettte ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Clare" <marionclare@shaw.ca> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [MDX] 1881 UK census searchable by address > Thank you very much for replying. Another person sent me the exact > location > on the census but she was not living there at the time of the census which > is frustrating. > > As I can't find her on the 71, 81 or the 91 census I will try your > suggestions and make a trip to the LDS. I don't know what you mean by FMP > so could you clarify please. > > Poorer families seem to have moved around a lot from one lodging to > another > and it is difficult to find them sometimes. When my family returned from > abroad in 1863 after John Johnston was discharged from the army, his army > records said they were going to live in St. Lukes but that is not where > Mary > was in 1886 so makes it more complicated. > > But thank you for your help and I will keep looking. I've been looking > for > 7 years now so am running out of ideas. > > Thanks again > > Marion > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of steven > hollis > Sent: July 10, 2014 7:35 PM > To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDX] 1881 UK census searchable by address > > I previously had the same problem with respect to Ancestry where I knew my > ancestor lived at an address in 1851 but did not appear on the 1851 census > on Ancestry. > > In my case I ended up going to the LDS history centre and ordering the > original films for the area and I found that the whole street had been > eliminated from the transctription to electronic format. > > I would try an alternative census database like FMP (the two data bases > are > different, and from memory FMP does allow you to search for streets) and > if > not found, then look to the original films > > Silly question though, you have confirmed that the street name she quoted > didnt change, sometimes when names change, people keep using the old name > for long after. Have you also googled the street name to ensure that it > did > exist. People lie to authority even when innocent > > steven > >> From: marionclare@shaw.ca >> To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:13:32 -0700 >> Subject: [MDX] 1881 UK census searchable by address >> >> >> Does anyone know please how to search the 1881 census by address to see > who >> was living in the house at the time? >> >> I know my 2nd g. grandmother Mary Johnson/Johnston was living at 18 >> Underwood Street, Whitecross Street. Shoreditch, in September 1886 as >> she >> told the court so when she was called as a witness into the murder of her >> daughter my g.grandmother. >> >> I know if I look at the transcript of a census entry via Ancestry.com >> then > I >> can search by district and then road, but I just don't seem to be able to >> locate the street. >> >> I am having huge problems finding Mary's lineage although I know about >> her >> marriage, so I thought if I could search the census to see the occupants, >> neighbours etc. it may give me some clues. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks >> Marion >> >> . >> ************************************** >> Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* >> superfluous > old messages in replies. 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Hi Marion His pension or discharge records are on findmypast They state he was 1958 private John JOHNSTON a tanner born in the parish of St Lukes in or near the town of London in the County of Middlesex attested in the 49th regt of foot at London 13th Nov 1841, aged 18 years 3 months Your comments suggest you have this record but perhaps have misread it? He was discharged 21st Nov 1862 having served 21 years 9 months I will look at the census next Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 11/07/2014 23:38, middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com wrote: > Judy, thanks so much for this information. I had a look at that listing but > unfortunately it isn't her. My Mary was married to John. > > Thanks too to the other people that suggested I post more information so > here goes. > > > Mary Johnson/Johnston was born Mary Conners I think in Ireland about 1828 > > John Johnson/Johnston was born August 1823. (Don't know where but on the > 1861 census the family were at the Aldershot Barracks and he said he was > born in Ireland) > > He enlisted in the 49th Regiment of Foot in November 1841 and at the time > said he lived in St. Lukes and his occupation was a tanner. > > He was stationed in Ireland from 1843 where I presume he met and married > Mary. They had children in Ireland, Anne baptised. 1849 in Templemore; Ellen > baptised 1853 in Waterford; Bridget (poss not birth name) born St. Lukes > 1854/55; and Charles Alexander born 1857 in Barbados. I haven't been able to > find others. > > In 1861 John was discharged from the army on an out pension and said he was > going to live in St. Lukes. (Cant find pension details either) > > In 1873 their daughter Bridget married and on the certificate it said that > John was a stoker.(so still alive at the time) > > In 1886 their daughter Ellen was murdered at Curtis St. Marcus St. West Ham > and at the inquest Mary said that she was living at 18 Underwood St. > > Ellen's children went into Dr. Barnardos in 1888 and my grandmother, one of > the children told me that was because their grandmother had died. Not sure > if that was true or not as I haven't found her death. > > I have no record of John or Mary Johnson since their return to England in > 1861 and cant find them on any of the census. > > Most of the information I have is from the 49th regiment of foot archives > > Any help would be priceless. > > Thanks > Marion

On 11/07/2014 17:50, Marion Clare wrote: > I don't know what you mean by FMP > so could you clarify please. It stands for FindMyPast. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Marion, Is she perhaps the Mary JOHNSON at 1 Underwood Street? As you haven't provided any details of her age or place of birth, it's hard for us to know. 1881 - RG11; Piece: 389; Folio: 125; Page: 39 Underwood Street is split between two enumeration districts, 10a and 10b. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marion Clare Sent: 11 July 2014 17:43 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] 1881 UK census searchable by address Bingo. Thank you so much for being so explicit. She is not there though or on the 1871 or 1891 census either, so I am back to square one. I have the family on the 1861 but after that nothing I can find. Very strange. But I very much appreciate your help. Thank you

Hi Marion Have you tried posting the full details of the people you seek Name, year and place of birth, children plus anything else you have on them including where you have found them previously Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 11/07/2014 17:43, Marion Clare wrote: > Bingo. Thank you so much for being so explicit. She is not there though or > on the 1871 or 1891 census either, so I am back to square one. I have the > family on the 1861 but after that nothing I can find. Very strange. > > But I very much appreciate your help. Thank you

Judy, thanks so much for this information. I had a look at that listing but unfortunately it isn't her. My Mary was married to John. Thanks too to the other people that suggested I post more information so here goes. Mary Johnson/Johnston was born Mary Conners I think in Ireland about 1828 John Johnson/Johnston was born August 1823. (Don't know where but on the 1861 census the family were at the Aldershot Barracks and he said he was born in Ireland) He enlisted in the 49th Regiment of Foot in November 1841 and at the time said he lived in St. Lukes and his occupation was a tanner. He was stationed in Ireland from 1843 where I presume he met and married Mary. They had children in Ireland, Anne baptised. 1849 in Templemore; Ellen baptised 1853 in Waterford; Bridget (poss not birth name) born St. Lukes 1854/55; and Charles Alexander born 1857 in Barbados. I haven't been able to find others. In 1861 John was discharged from the army on an out pension and said he was going to live in St. Lukes. (Cant find pension details either) In 1873 their daughter Bridget married and on the certificate it said that John was a stoker.(so still alive at the time) In 1886 their daughter Ellen was murdered at Curtis St. Marcus St. West Ham and at the inquest Mary said that she was living at 18 Underwood St. Ellen's children went into Dr. Barnardos in 1888 and my grandmother, one of the children told me that was because their grandmother had died. Not sure if that was true or not as I haven't found her death. I have no record of John or Mary Johnson since their return to England in 1861 and cant find them on any of the census. Most of the information I have is from the 49th regiment of foot archives Any help would be priceless. Thanks Marion -----Original Message----- From: Judy Lester [mailto:jlester@btinternet.com] Sent: July 11, 2014 12:22 PM To: 'Marion Clare' Cc: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MDX] 1881 UK census searchable by address Marion, Is she perhaps the Mary JOHNSON at 1 Underwood Street? As you haven't provided any details of her age or place of birth, it's hard for us to know. 1881 - RG11; Piece: 389; Folio: 125; Page: 39 Underwood Street is split between two enumeration districts, 10a and 10b. HTH Judy London, U

On Ancestry select 1881 Census then on right hand side search box select - County : London Civil Parish : St Leonard Sub-registration District : Hoxton New Town Enumeration District : District 10b Then go to Page 7 Cheers Rose

I previously had the same problem with respect to Ancestry where I knew my ancestor lived at an address in 1851 but did not appear on the 1851 census on Ancestry. In my case I ended up going to the LDS history centre and ordering the original films for the area and I found that the whole street had been eliminated from the transctription to electronic format. I would try an alternative census database like FMP (the two data bases are different, and from memory FMP does allow you to search for streets) and if not found, then look to the original films Silly question though, you have confirmed that the street name she quoted didnt change, sometimes when names change, people keep using the old name for long after. Have you also googled the street name to ensure that it did exist. People lie to authority even when innocent steven > From: marionclare@shaw.ca > To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:13:32 -0700 > Subject: [MDX] 1881 UK census searchable by address > > > Does anyone know please how to search the 1881 census by address to see who > was living in the house at the time? > > I know my 2nd g. grandmother Mary Johnson/Johnston was living at 18 > Underwood Street, Whitecross Street. Shoreditch, in September 1886 as she > told the court so when she was called as a witness into the murder of her > daughter my g.grandmother. > > I know if I look at the transcript of a census entry via Ancestry.com then I > can search by district and then road, but I just don't seem to be able to > locate the street. > > I am having huge problems finding Mary's lineage although I know about her > marriage, so I thought if I could search the census to see the occupants, > neighbours etc. it may give me some clues. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks > Marion > > . > ************************************** > Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* superfluous old messages in replies. Only include the one to which you are replying. > > *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > > The archives can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk > > . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you very much for replying. Another person sent me the exact location on the census but she was not living there at the time of the census which is frustrating. As I can't find her on the 71, 81 or the 91 census I will try your suggestions and make a trip to the LDS. I don't know what you mean by FMP so could you clarify please. Poorer families seem to have moved around a lot from one lodging to another and it is difficult to find them sometimes. When my family returned from abroad in 1863 after John Johnston was discharged from the army, his army records said they were going to live in St. Lukes but that is not where Mary was in 1886 so makes it more complicated. But thank you for your help and I will keep looking. I've been looking for 7 years now so am running out of ideas. Thanks again Marion -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of steven hollis Sent: July 10, 2014 7:35 PM To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] 1881 UK census searchable by address I previously had the same problem with respect to Ancestry where I knew my ancestor lived at an address in 1851 but did not appear on the 1851 census on Ancestry. In my case I ended up going to the LDS history centre and ordering the original films for the area and I found that the whole street had been eliminated from the transctription to electronic format. I would try an alternative census database like FMP (the two data bases are different, and from memory FMP does allow you to search for streets) and if not found, then look to the original films Silly question though, you have confirmed that the street name she quoted didnt change, sometimes when names change, people keep using the old name for long after. Have you also googled the street name to ensure that it did exist. People lie to authority even when innocent steven > From: marionclare@shaw.ca > To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:13:32 -0700 > Subject: [MDX] 1881 UK census searchable by address > > > Does anyone know please how to search the 1881 census by address to see who > was living in the house at the time? > > I know my 2nd g. grandmother Mary Johnson/Johnston was living at 18 > Underwood Street, Whitecross Street. Shoreditch, in September 1886 as she > told the court so when she was called as a witness into the murder of her > daughter my g.grandmother. > > I know if I look at the transcript of a census entry via Ancestry.com then I > can search by district and then road, but I just don't seem to be able to > locate the street. > > I am having huge problems finding Mary's lineage although I know about her > marriage, so I thought if I could search the census to see the occupants, > neighbours etc. it may give me some clues. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks > Marion > > . > ************************************** > Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* superfluous old messages in replies. Only include the one to which you are replying. > > *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > > The archives can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk > > . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message . ************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* superfluous old messages in replies. Only include the one to which you are replying. *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com The archives can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bingo. Thank you so much for being so explicit. She is not there though or on the 1871 or 1891 census either, so I am back to square one. I have the family on the 1861 but after that nothing I can find. Very strange. But I very much appreciate your help. Thank you -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Opiekan Sent: July 10, 2014 8:27 PM To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] 1881 UK census searchable by address On Ancestry select 1881 Census then on right hand side search box select - County : London Civil Parish : St Leonard Sub-registration District : Hoxton New Town Enumeration District : District 10b Then go to Page 7 Cheers Rose . ************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* superfluous old messages in replies. Only include the one to which you are replying. *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie who, what, where, when, with SURNAMES in CAPITAL letters. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com The archives can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

--I have been reading the query above with interest, what year was the death please ? Interestingly my paternal GG grandmother died as Martha LEE in 1880 in Camberwell/ Peckham but we have not been able to find her burial place,,,,,, complicated as her real name was Martha Ellis but she and Spouse ALFRED ELLIS cionducted a business as Alexander Lee , boot and shoe makers. She died post delivery from blood loss but Dr attending her did not mention a baby.... Sad as she had 7 chn at the time. Would be lovely to know where her final resting place was Yvonne

Does anyone know please how to search the 1881 census by address to see who was living in the house at the time? I know my 2nd g. grandmother Mary Johnson/Johnston was living at 18 Underwood Street, Whitecross Street. Shoreditch, in September 1886 as she told the court so when she was called as a witness into the murder of her daughter my g.grandmother. I know if I look at the transcript of a census entry via Ancestry.com then I can search by district and then road, but I just don't seem to be able to locate the street. I am having huge problems finding Mary's lineage although I know about her marriage, so I thought if I could search the census to see the occupants, neighbours etc. it may give me some clues. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Marion

On 10/07/2014 11:51 AM, Charani wrote: > >SNIP< > >> I agree with your redacted (!) comments about Westminster Register >> Office. > Islington is another bad one. One might have hoped, that with there recent move from Marylebone Town Hall, and their starring role in the TV series about the registration service, thing might have changed. However, https://www.westminster.gov.uk/locations-westminster-registration-records seemed to dim hopes (are they allowed to store off-site?). BUT https://www.westminster.gov.uk/order-copy-certificate raises hopes again... no restrictions on searching their own index (for the standard fee). See https://www.westminster.gov.uk/contact-westminster-register-office for contact details. Kind regards, John Henley.