On 06/11/2014 23:45, M Doherty via wrote: > Per british history reports there is a memorial in Hayes church to > "John Fisher married an heir of Robert Child of Hayes-park 1679" > > This is clearly not the Robert CHILD of Osterley because Robert > CHILD of Hayes-park purchased Hayes Park Hall in 1662 and died in > 1675. This Robert CHILD's heirs were apparently surnamed VANNAM. > > I wonder whether anyone can help with more information on who the > Robert CHILD of Hayes-park was please, with sources? It helps other researchers if you add a year, especially when the person in question has a common name, like FISHER. -- List Admin, Middx
Per british history reports there is a memorial in Hayes church to "John Fisher married an heir of Robert Child of Hayes-park 1679" This is clearly not the Robert CHILD of Osterley because Robert CHILD of Hayes-park purchased Hayes Park Hall in 1662 and died in 1675. This Robert CHILD's heirs were apparently surnamed VANNAM. I wonder whether anyone can help with more information on who the Robert CHILD of Hayes-park was please, with sources? Thank you Moira
> > > > THE NAME'S THE SAME - BUT IS IT THE SAME FAMILY? > > This is something which only an in-depth study of the surname, taking all > > entries of that name, at least in one area, can prove. How do you go about it, > > is it worth the extra effort, what if someone else is already doing it: can you > > join the Guild of One Name Studies and register the name as 'yours'. > > . Dr Wendy Archer is talking to the Bucks Genealogical Society on Sat Nov > > 8th on the subject, at the Southcourt Community Centre, Prebendal Ave, > > Aylesbury, at 2.30pm. all welcome, ample parking > > (turn left off A418 (Oxford Rd) out of Aylesbury at the traffic lights after > > Aylesbury College (or from Oxford, go past lights and loop babk). Then left > > into Prebendal Ave.) > > > > > > EVE > > Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians > > Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society > > > > > >
Sophia JOHNSON was born around 1823 in Poplar but I have been unable to find a baptism for her. She married William David JOHNSON who was born 26 Dec 1818 in Deptford. I believe they may have been cousins. I found their marriage (5 June 1843, Limehouse) on Ancestry which gives her father as William, a shipwright. William David's father, John Plummer JOHNSON, was also given as a shipwright. Sophia's father seems to have been variously described as a ropemaker, a mariner and a fisherman, providing they are the same person. If I'm right, Sophia's mother was also Sophia maiden name unknown. Can anyone find Sophia jnr's baptism please? -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/
I find that dealing with events that took place over several hundred years has the effect of distorting time. I'm not sure if this will help with the time distortion or just add further confusion :) Either way, it's fascinating. www.historytoday.com/blog/2014/10/mirror-year-how-old-are-you-really -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: FFHS-NEWS Post-1996 English and Welsh probate records database online Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 08:43:15 -0400 From: News from the Federation of Family History Societies The Probate Service for England and Wales has added a searchable database online for post-1996 wills and grants of probate, to complement its soldiers wills offerings already available. The database is at https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills. There is a basic search facility (surname and year of death) and an advanced search capability (surname, first name, year, month and date of death, year, month and date of probate). If an entry is found from the search a full copy will cost £10 to access. (with thanks to Chris Paton The British GENES Blog (GEnealogy News & EventS)) Beryl Evans FFHS Archives Liaison Officer -------- Original Message ends -------- -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk
This is something that has long been awaited. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: FFHS-NEWS Relatives of adopted adults now able to trace family tree Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 03:38:40 -0400 From: News from the Federation of Family History Societies With thanks to Chris Paton The British GENES Blog (GEnealogy News & EventS) From: Department for Education and Edward Timpson MP First published: 25 September 2014 Part of: Improving the adoption system and services for looked-after children and Children and young people Children, grandchildren and other relatives of adopted adults can now trace back through their ancestors' lives. Children, grandchildren and other relatives of adopted adults can now trace back through their ancestors' lives - helping them to unearth their family history, discover more about their medical background and reach out to long-lost relatives under new rules introduced today. Previously, only the person adopted and their birth relatives were able to used specialised adoption agencies to help shed light on their family history and make contact with their biological family members. The new rules will extend this right to all relatives of adopted adults, from children and grandchildren to partners and adoptive relatives, allowing greater openness in adoption while ensuring adopted people have the right to a private, family life. For example, those who have lost a parent to cancer or a heart problem will be able to discover whether their grandparents or other birth relatives suffered from the same condition, given them the chance to seek advice and support. Children and Families Minister Edward Timpson, who has 2 adopted brothers, said: It's right that descendants and other relatives of adopted adults are able to access important information, such as medical records or genetic health conditions, which could impact upon how they live their life today. They should also be able to find out about important events from their past, as well as make contact with family members if they wish. This positive change will help thousands of people discover their place in history, while keeping important safeguards in place to protect the right to a private family life for those who were adopted. Julia Feast OBE, from the British Association for Fostering and Adoption (BAAF) said: The British Association for Adoption and Fostering is delighted that the governmentâs consultation about extending intermediary services to descendants of adopted people has now been published. We are very pleased that the government has extended the rights of descendants and other relatives to access an intermediary service whilst ensuring that the adopted person's rights are not overlooked and will be at the centre of the decision making. Today's announcement (25 September 2014) is just the latest milestone in the government's plan to overhaul support for adopted families. 8>< Notes to Editor: The government has today published new rules to make provision for intermediary services to facilitate contact between 'persons with a prescribed relationship' and the birth relatives of a person adopted before 30 December 2005. The regulations will define 'persons with a prescribed relationship' as anyone related to an adopted person by blood (including half-blood), marriage or civil partnership or by virtue of the adoption. This will include all relatives of the adopted person, including but not limited to the children and grandchildren of adopted persons. The regulations will ensure that that the consent of the adopted person is obtained before contact or information sharing is facilitated between persons with a prescribed relationship and birth relatives, other than: where a person with a prescribed relationship seeks non-identifying medical information from birth relatives of the adopted person and this can be shared by the intermediary agency without sharing identifying information where a person with a prescribed relationship wishes to make contact with a birth relative and the adopted person cannot be found, despite all reasonable steps having been taken where the adopted person has died or lacks capacity The 'Intermediary services for relatives of adopted people' consultation is now available. The new rules will come into force by November 2014. Beryl Evans FFHS Archives Liaison Officer -------- Original Message ends -------- -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk
Is there anyone who can find Henry W. Hibbs (born Paddington 1845) and his wife Emma on the 1901 census? I've searched under every mistranscription I can think of and they don't show. They should have been living in the Notting Hill area, and Henry was a stonemason. Perhaps someone who has access to another provider apart from Ancestry will have more luck? Jeanette
> Had it been in Brum I would have suggested the same > I thought there was some link to Birmingham for the younger generation - the East London gun manufacturing industry largely moved to Birmingham, but there was the later offshoot at Enfield (I knew an old gentleman, died last year aged 99, whose father was Director at Enfield SA (previously deputy at Woolwich in WW1) EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society
This is interesting as I've just found from Ancestry.com that my cousin Herbert Portland Dunlop Smith was awarded a medal of some kind for his service in the Merchant Navy during the war. The link from Ancestry only takes me to a record at the National Archives, so it looks as if I won't be finding out what the medal was. Since he's not a direct ancestor I haven't really got £3.50 to order the record. Jeanette -----Original Message----- From: Connie via Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:51 AM To: Middx Subject: [MDX] WWII medals I have just received a message from my cousin who's been going through our great uncle's WWII service record. It included a document "which appeared to indicate that he was entitled to some award/medal for his naval service in the Atlantic 1942/43 and Burma in 1945.". Neither my cousin nor I have seen these medals, so cannot describe any ribbons. It may be our great uncle never applied for them. If he didn't, I'm not sure we'd be able to now. The Burma Star we know about but the 1942/43 Atlantic one has us puzzled. Can anyone help please? -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/ . ************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* all previous messages EXCEPT the one to which you are replying. *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie name or topic, date and place with surnames only in CAPS. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com The List Archive, containing all messages posted, can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Nivard, Thank you for your comments. The enumerator should have known better than add anything else. Regards, Roger (Oz). -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington via Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:05 PM To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] LAST COLUMN QUERY FOR MARGARET MC CARTHY (1881 Census) ,
On 16/09/2014 23:11, Jeanette deMontalk wrote: > This is interesting as I've just found from Ancestry.com that my > cousin Herbert Portland Dunlop Smith was awarded a medal of some kind > for his service in the Merchant Navy during the war. The link from > Ancestry only takes me to a record at the National Archives, so it > looks as if I won't be finding out what the medal was. Since he's not > a direct ancestor I haven't really got £3.50 to order the record. I've found out a bit more but it's one of those things that answers one question but poses more. In order to have been awarded the Burma Star, my great uncle would have had to have been awarded the 1939-45 Star, likewise the Atlantic Star /but/ if the final 6 months ended on 8 May 1945, the 1939-45 Star would not have been awarded. Only two medals were mentioned: the Atlantic and Burma Stars. I was sent a link to the various medals by a kind gentleman http://www.rogersstudy.co.uk/medals/ww2_stars/stars.html#atlantic Scroll up or down for the various medals. There might be one there that fits for your cousin. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/
On 16/09/2014 18:11, eve via wrote: > If he din't collerct them, you can apply. If he did but they are lost, no -you > have to purchase copies commercially. > google medals- naval. Thank you. If he did have them and they've been lost, then they've been lost. Commercial ones won't have the same meaning. It was the Atlantic 1942/43 one that was the puzzle. It appears he should have had the 1939-45 star as well. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/
Had it been in Brum I would have suggested the same However <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Small_Arms_Factory> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/09/2014 18:08, eve via wrote: > >> Leonard Allen HERBERT was a stock filler in a small arms factory > > > Stock FITTER - he fixed the operating bit on to the holding bit. > ande probably THE small arms factory > BSA , Birmingham Small Arms Company, was a (large) firm > . EVE > Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians > Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society
> I have just received a message from my cousin who's been going through > our great uncle's WWII service record. It included a document "which > appeared to indicate that he was entitled to some award/medal for his > naval service in the Atlantic 1942/43 and Burma in 1945.". Neither my > cousin nor I have seen these medals, so cannot describe any ribbons. > It may be our great uncle never applied for them. If he didn't, I'm > not sure we'd be able to now. If he din't collerct them, you can apply. If he did but they are lost, no -you have to purchase copies commercially. google medals- naval. EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society
> Leonard Allen HERBERT was a stock filler in a small arms factory Stock FITTER - he fixed the operating bit on to the holding bit. ande probably THE small arms factory BSA , Birmingham Small Arms Company, was a (large) firm . EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society
I have just received a message from my cousin who's been going through our great uncle's WWII service record. It included a document "which appeared to indicate that he was entitled to some award/medal for his naval service in the Atlantic 1942/43 and Burma in 1945.". Neither my cousin nor I have seen these medals, so cannot describe any ribbons. It may be our great uncle never applied for them. If he didn't, I'm not sure we'd be able to now. The Burma Star we know about but the 1942/43 Atlantic one has us puzzled. Can anyone help please? -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/
Hi Jan Leonard may have joined up but was found medically unfit so discharged shortly after It gives his birth year of 1897 Born in the parish of Enfield near the town of London Middlesex Occupation machine hand Employed by R.S.A.F. Given his employment might his occupation be "Stock Filer" (rather than Filler)? A stock being the part at the rear of a rifle Father William HERBERT of 85 Bell Lane Enfield Middlesex He received a Silver War Badge 136th April 1917 to L.A. HERBERT In 1901 what I suspect is Leonard is at home with parents William and Lucy and siblings William 40 Gun finisher (small arms) London City Lucy 38 Suffolk Barrow Edith 18 Elec light factory depositor app London St Geo E Benjamin 15 string splicer (R.S.A.F.) London St Geo E Arthur 11 Middlesex Enfield H Elsie 9 " Winnie 6 " Leonard 3 " Emma 11m " RG13 1274 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/09/2014 00:24, Jan Sheard via wrote: > Leonard Allen HERBERT was a stock filler in a small arms factory. He > married Eva HAWKES in 1918. They had a son Allen George HERBERT who > was born in 1921. > > Eva had two sisters, Christine and Ida who went to Australia. She > joined them and died in 1924. > > I'm searching for their parents and any siblings they may have. > > Is there anyone else researching this family? > > Jan Sheard. Australia
Hi Roger I came to a similar conclusion as has already been posted As you are no doubt aware the last column should only have had :- 1 Deaf & Dumb 2 Blind 3 Imbecile or Idiot 4 Lunatic Anything else should not have been recorded, as in so many things found on the census we have no idea why the enumerator entered it Whether the death cert will clarify things, only getting it will tell you unfortunately Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/09/2014 00:49, Roger McCarthy via wrote: > Hello again, > > To Lawrence and Paul........Thank you for your suggestion that it may mean > "Broken" and possibly "Back". > I agree getting the Death Certificate may help solve the problem. > > Regards, > Roger (Oz).
Hello Jan Not researching the family, but they are fairly easy to find, I think. In 1911, they are at RG14; Piece: 7434; Schedule Number: 79. There are a large number of other siblings. Eva's marriage certificate: Marriages Dec 1918 Hawkes Eva Herbert Edmonton 3a 1074 Herbert Leonard A Hawkes Edmonton 3a 1074 will confirm her father's name and occupation. If this is the right family, then Eva's mother is likely to have been Ellen DEAN, who married George HAWKES (a gun maker) at St Philip's, Birmingham in April 1890. The marriage register entry is available on Ancestry. Let me know if you need a copy. Hope this helps Caroline > -----Original Message----- > > Leonard Allen HERBERT was a stock filler in a small arms factory. He married > Eva HAWKES in 1918. They had a son Allen George HERBERT who was born in > 1921. > > Eva had two sisters, Christine and Ida who went to Australia. She joined > them and died in 1924. > > I'm searching for their parents and any siblings they may have. > > Is there anyone else researching this family? > > Jan Sheard. Australia > . Release Date: 09/16/14