> As he named his second son Napoleon, George Fred'k. was surely a Republican > and may have been a soldier in the Napoleonic Wars. After the end of the > wars and the Kings return to France in 1815, perhaps George, as a > Republican, could not live under the rule of the king and decided to leave > for England about that time. He may not have been able to read and write > his own name and the English version of his name is what was written on his > behalf in the English records. Quite likely one of his children, or his > wife, filled out the census forms for him and wrote his name in the English > style. Two of his daughters had unusual names for the time, one had the > middle name of Miranda and the youngest daughter was called Hermasfred? or > something similar. Where does such a name as Hermasfred come from? She > bears this name from her baptism to her marriage give or take a letter in > the spelling here and there. Is it a French name? Should it be written > Hermes Fred? I have no idea and have been puzzled about this name for > years. George Frederick doesn't sound French (even adapted French).If from Georg Friedrich (like Handel) could be German or Swiss. The Michsel might be a warped Michelle, Mischel. Hermes fred for a female??? Could this be a misreading of Hermentrud (usually anglicised as Ermentrude. > Again, this points to a possible German or Swiss origin, or maybe Alsatian. Origins as diverse as formerly in the German legion (ex Hanoverian estates), or a French waiter? You should get an occupation for any baptisms 1813 onwards. , EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

On 28/12/2014 19:43, ljhewett via wrote: > > Any lister with links to Griff(ith) Meek and wife Sarah Evans > Pepperell, m.July > 1, 1850, St. Bartholomews, London? She d. 1878 Islington. Links to my > Mills > families ex Kingsbridge Devon and Limehouse Causeway. I've amended your subject line to one that's more informative. Griff/Griffith is also a surname, as is Sarah (surprisingly) so it is better not to put all the names in CAPS, only the surname. A year and place are also useful. Some people are very knowledgable about different periods and places. It helps them to know immediately whether they may be able to help you or not. -- List Admin, Middx

Hi Diane, Thankyou for the message. I will keep what you say in mind for the future. My husband's family had heard that there was a French connection back in the past, the son Napoleon's daughter was well known by family members and she probably spoke of her grandfather George Frederick having been French. This is what makes me think that George Frederick Michshel could have been the Frenchman, he does seem the most likely person if anyone had been French within the family, he was definitely shown born Foreign in the 1841 census. I know that in French the name George would be spelt with an s on the end, Georges, or something like that. I don't speak French so am not to clever at spellings in that language. Not sure how the equivalent of Frederick would be spelt in French, would it's equivalent be Ferdinand? I wonder if George Fred'k changed his name to the English version when he landed in England, which would have been prior to his marriage in 1826. George, according to his age at death in 1854, would have been born about 1789/90 or so, and therefore aged about 35 when he married in London in 1826. As he named his second son Napoleon, George Fred'k. was surely a Republican and may have been a soldier in the Napoleonic Wars. After the end of the wars and the Kings return to France in 1815, perhaps George, as a Republican, could not live under the rule of the king and decided to leave for England about that time. He may not have been able to read and write his own name and the English version of his name is what was written on his behalf in the English records. Quite likely one of his children, or his wife, filled out the census forms for him and wrote his name in the English style. Two of his daughters had unusual names for the time, one had the middle name of Miranda and the youngest daughter was called Hermasfred? or something similar. Where does such a name as Hermasfred come from? She bears this name from her baptism to her marriage give or take a letter in the spelling here and there. Is it a French name? Should it be written Hermes Fred? I have no idea and have been puzzled about this name for years. If only I could find an Immigration record for George Frederick coming into England prior to 1826, but to date I have not found such a record. Regards Jenny DeAngelis <<I can´t help you specifically but a few years ago I was tracing a family for a friend. One of her ancestors was also named Napoleon; this was about the same time frame as yours. He married in England but I was lucky enough to discover that he originally came from Canada. Just a thought as your George Frederick may possibly have originated there too, especially considering his more English forenames. >>

Hi Jenny, I can´t help you specifically but a few years ago I was tracing a family for a friend. One of her ancestors was also named Napoleon; this was about the same time frame as yours. He married in England but I was lucky enough to discover that he originally came from Canada. Just a thought as your George Frederick may possibly have originated there too, especially considering his more English forenames. Regards, Diane On 26 December 2014 at 17:34, Jenny De Angelis via < middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I would like to speak to the following couple to find out exactly where > they > each came from and who their parents were, especially George Frederick. > > I have in my husband's family tree George Frederick MICHSHEL who in the > 1841 > census was noted as born F(oriegn) I believe he may well have been French > but can't be sure of this as I have nothing else on him to tell me where he > was born. He does not appear as far as I can find in the 1851 census, his > wife and some of their children are in Fulham workhouse at that time but > where George F. is I am at a loss to say. What makes me think that George > was born in France is that he named his eldest son Napoleon! his other son > was named George Frederick too. > > George Frederick died in 1854 aged 65 and was buried in St. Pancras > churchyard so he must have been somewhere in the 1851 census but where. > His > surname on his burial record is misspelt as Mochelle, the surname Michshel > is quite often mis-spelt and I believe it may eventually have become > Mitchell but again I can't be sure this is the case, it is just a niggling > feeling I have. > > George Frederick Michshel was a modeller in plaster, I imagine he would > have > made items such as ceiling roses and cornices and other such items that you > find in Georgian and Victorian houses. His two sons, Napoleon and George > Fred'k junior followed their father into the plastering trade. Whether > they > were apprenticed to their father or not, which I feel they would have been, > I have been unable to discover to date. > > George's wife was Charlotte VINCENT I believe was born about 1805, she > married Geore F. Michshel in 1826 at Bloomsbury St George. Charlotte died > in 1853 in Fulham workhouse. > > I have tracked most of the children of George Frederick Michshel and his > wife Charlotte Vincent to their marriages and the later censuses but George > Frederick senior has eluded me in the 1851 census which entry would likely > have told me where he had originally come from. > > If anyone else finds him in 1851, or has a connection to the family of > Michshel/l I would like to hear from them. > > Regards > Jenny DeAngelis > > . > ************************************** > Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* all > previous messages EXCEPT the one to which you are replying. > > *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie name or topic, date and place with surnames > only in CAPS. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > > The List Archive, containing all messages posted, can be found at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk > > . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I would like to speak to the following couple to find out exactly where they each came from and who their parents were, especially George Frederick. I have in my husband's family tree George Frederick MICHSHEL who in the 1841 census was noted as born F(oriegn) I believe he may well have been French but can't be sure of this as I have nothing else on him to tell me where he was born. He does not appear as far as I can find in the 1851 census, his wife and some of their children are in Fulham workhouse at that time but where George F. is I am at a loss to say. What makes me think that George was born in France is that he named his eldest son Napoleon! his other son was named George Frederick too. George Frederick died in 1854 aged 65 and was buried in St. Pancras churchyard so he must have been somewhere in the 1851 census but where. His surname on his burial record is misspelt as Mochelle, the surname Michshel is quite often mis-spelt and I believe it may eventually have become Mitchell but again I can't be sure this is the case, it is just a niggling feeling I have. George Frederick Michshel was a modeller in plaster, I imagine he would have made items such as ceiling roses and cornices and other such items that you find in Georgian and Victorian houses. His two sons, Napoleon and George Fred'k junior followed their father into the plastering trade. Whether they were apprenticed to their father or not, which I feel they would have been, I have been unable to discover to date. George's wife was Charlotte VINCENT I believe was born about 1805, she married Geore F. Michshel in 1826 at Bloomsbury St George. Charlotte died in 1853 in Fulham workhouse. I have tracked most of the children of George Frederick Michshel and his wife Charlotte Vincent to their marriages and the later censuses but George Frederick senior has eluded me in the 1851 census which entry would likely have told me where he had originally come from. If anyone else finds him in 1851, or has a connection to the family of Michshel/l I would like to hear from them. Regards Jenny DeAngelis

I would like to meet Mary Baldwin Boyle my Grand Aunt born 38 Treverton St Kensington 1884. The family story is that Mary (aka Polly went to Canada) came back to London after the war but which war 1WW or 2WW with a daughter. She could have married before she went to Canada or when she got there or not at all? Mary's mother died in 1895 and her father quickly married again and then he passed away in 1898. In 1901 Mary is living as border aged 16 at 22 Wheatston Kensington and the stepmother Helen Amy is living at 38 Treverton St with children from her previous marriage. I may have found a marriage for Mary B Boyle to John S Wormesley Sept Q 1917 at Paddington but I have delayed getting the cert while I checked the shipping records but so far haven't found them. Seasons greeting, good luck with your searching. Regards Sheila NSW

It would be an honour to sit down with my first cousin twice removed, Helen Phoebe Maguire, nee Bennett, born Westminster 1857 to William John Bennett, builder, and Mary Ann Pittway, and living in Islington in 1881-1911 - paper stainer, with her husband Thomas William Maguire, also paper stainer, to ask of them did they have any idea of the arsenic within the wall papers they were decorating? Obviously not. I have not yet sussed out their deaths, but I would think it wouldn't be much further on than 1911 due to the poison in those wall paper hangings. It is interesting that there are recent TV documentaries which purport to show the dangers (poisons etc) that the Victorian population were living in within their own homes with new changes. I hope to view some of these docs. Any info by listers would be most appreciated. I hope your stubborn brick walls will crumble and fall apart in the New Year, as much of mine have recently due to more records being introduced online by Ancestry and FMP. Not too much new with MDX, but tons in other counties. Also, time to remember with the coming 2015 remembrance of Gallipoli landings. Lest we forget. Blessings for the New Year. Graham

I would like to sit and chat with my 3 x grandparents, John Young Jameson (1790 - 1845) 'gentleman' and Jane Douglas Oliver (1786 - 1863) of 9 Allsop Terrace Marylebone, married 1817 St James Piccadilly. John was on a Army part pension and also clerk for the Agent & Paymaster for the Out Pensioners - Royal Chelsea Hospital. Searching for his service records has drawn a blank. And Jane's father, John Oliver (1761 - 1816) a baker in Edinburgh before moving family to Marylebone and becoming a 'gentleman' owing properties in the Minories. Cheers Rose in Oz

Gday List Seasons Greetings to all of you. The people I would like to sit and chat with is John and Hannah{nee Hazell}he was a Perfumer in Hackney Middlesex in 1796,also their son John Seabrook who was a Mariner 1833-1845 at least. If anybody comes across these people, please put them on the right tram to my place. Bert in Oz -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of List Admin via Sent: Thursday, 25 December 2014 10:28 PM To: Middx Subject: [MDX] Home Fires Season's greetings If you have have any relatives or ancestors (WWI and before please) who you'd like to bring to sit around the home fire, please post what you know between now and 12th Night. These do not have to be people from within the list area during this period only. -- List Admin, Middx . ************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* all previous messages EXCEPT the one to which you are replying. *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie name or topic, date and place with surnames only in CAPS. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com The List Archive, containing all messages posted, can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'd like to invite my 1st cousin 4 times removed, Herbert Williamson HEDGCOCK. We cannot find you after 1851 (census entry). Were you distraught at the death of your only son Herbert (9 Aug 1850-30 Mar 1852) after 7 daughters? Are you one of the unknown deaths? Come home to the family. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "List Admin via" <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> To: "Middx" <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [MDX] Home Fires > Season's greetings > > If you have have any relatives or ancestors (WWI and before please) > who you'd like to bring to sit around the home fire, please post what > you know between now and 12th Night. These do not have to be people > from within the list area during this period only. > > -- > List Admin, Middx > . > ************************************** > Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* all > previous messages EXCEPT the one to which you are replying. > > *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie name or topic, date and place with surnames > only in CAPS. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > > The List Archive, containing all messages posted, can be found at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk > > . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Season's greetings If you have have any relatives or ancestors (WWI and before please) who you'd like to bring to sit around the home fire, please post what you know between now and 12th Night. These do not have to be people from within the list area during this period only. -- List Admin, Middx

Thank you to all those who answered my request so promptly what a great list this is and cleaver with it. I never got beyond Bonjour with my lessons. No cost mentioned either. What a useful Christmas present. Lets hope it mentions his Mum & Dad. Happy Christmas Sheila NSW

Roughly: We have received your email. Your question will be treated? in three weeks. If necessary, do not hesitate to communicate with the reference service personnel - [presumably the following is a phone number. ] -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Tutton via Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:11 PM To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDX] French language Help Please I sent a request for a copy of a Bapt. I found on the Internet and received this reply. The Bapt. was at the Garrison Anglican Church Montreal Canada in 1761. Can anyone help please. Bonjour, Nous avons bien reçu votre courriel. Votre demande sera traitée d'ici trois semaines. Au besoin, n'hésitez pas à communiquer avec le personnel du service de référence au 514 873-1100, poste 6260. Service de référence BAnQ Vieux-Montréal Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec Tél.: 514 873-1100, option 4 ou sans frais au 1-800-363-9028 archives.montreal@banq.qc.ca « Avez-vous complété notre sondage en ligne? Cliquez ici ». . ************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* all previous messages EXCEPT the one to which you are replying. *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie name or topic, date and place with surnames only in CAPS. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com The List Archive, containing all messages posted, can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I sent a request for a copy of a Bapt. I found on the Internet and received this reply. The Bapt. was at the Garrison Anglican Church Montreal Canada in 1761. Can anyone help please. Bonjour, Nous avons bien reçu votre courriel. Votre demande sera traitée d'ici trois semaines. Au besoin, n'hésitez pas à communiquer avec le personnel du service de référence au 514 873-1100, poste 6260. Service de référence BAnQ Vieux-Montréal Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec Tél.: 514 873-1100, option 4 ou sans frais au 1-800-363-9028 archives.montreal@banq.qc.ca « Avez-vous complété notre sondage en ligne? Cliquez ici ».

We have received your email. Your request will be processed within three weeks. If needed, please contact the staff of the reference department at 514 873-1100, extension 6260. -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Tutton via Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2014 7:12 AM To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDX] French language Help Please I sent a request for a copy of a Bapt. I found on the Internet and received this reply. The Bapt. was at the Garrison Anglican Church Montreal Canada in 1761. Can anyone help please. Bonjour, Nous avons bien reçu votre courriel. Votre demande sera traitée d'ici trois semaines. Au besoin, n'hésitez pas à communiquer avec le personnel du service de référence au 514 873-1100, poste 6260. « Avez-vous complété notre sondage en ligne? Cliquez ici ». . ************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* all previous messages EXCEPT the one to which you are replying. *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie name or topic, date and place with surnames only in CAPS. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com The List Archive, containing all messages posted, can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> I sent a request for a copy of a Bapt. I found on the Internet and received > this reply. > The Bapt. was at the Garrison Anglican Church Montreal Canada in 1761. > Can anyone help please. > > Bonjour, > > > Nous avons bien reçu votre courriel. Votre demande sera traitée d'ici trois > semaines. Au besoin, n'hésitez pas à communiquer avec le personnel du > service de référence au 514 873-1100, poste 6260. Received your e-mail; Your request will be handled here (with)in three weeks. If necessary, do not hesitate to contact this office tel.. 514 etc, ref. 6260.. > > > > Service de référence > > BAnQ Vieux-Montréal > > Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec Library and Archives of Montreal. > > Tél.: 514 873-1100, option 4 ou sans frais au 1-800-363-9028 phone 514 etc select button 4 or free at 1-800 etc e-mail archives @ > archives.montreal@banq.qc.ca > > > > « Avez-vous complété notre sondage en ligne? Cliquez ici ». Have you completed our survey on line? > > > > > > . > ************************************** > Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* all previous messages EXCEPT the one to which you are replying. > > *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie name or topic, date and place with surnames only in CAPS. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > > The List Archive, containing all messages posted, can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk > > . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

Sheila. Roughly translated your email is Hello We have received your email. Your request will be processed within three weeks. If necessary, please contact staff reference service at 514 873-1100, extension 6260. Reference Service BAnQ Vieux-Montréal Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec Tél.: 514 873-1100, option 4 ou sans frais au 1-800-363-9028 Regards Paul

Sheila, I believe , loosely translated it says... Your request has been received. It will take approx. 3 weeks for an answer. If you have a problem with this do not hesitate to contact the communicator with the personnel at the reference service at (area code) 514 873-1100 ext. 6260. -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Tutton via Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:11 PM To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDX] French language Help Please I sent a request for a copy of a Bapt. I found on the Internet and received this reply. The Bapt. was at the Garrison Anglican Church Montreal Canada in 1761. Can anyone help please. Bonjour, Nous avons bien reçu votre courriel. Votre demande sera traitée d'ici trois semaines. Au besoin, n'hésitez pas à communiquer avec le personnel du service de référence au 514 873-1100, poste 6260. Service de référence BAnQ Vieux-Montréal Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec Tél.: 514 873-1100, option 4 ou sans frais au 1-800-363-9028 archives.montreal@banq.qc.ca « Avez-vous complété notre sondage en ligne? Cliquez ici ». . ************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* all previous messages EXCEPT the one to which you are replying. *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie name or topic, date and place with surnames only in CAPS. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com The List Archive, containing all messages posted, can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Sheila, My French is a bit rusty, but I think it says We have received your e-mail. Your request will be processed within three weeks (I didn't put the next three weeks because the word 'prochain' was missing). If necessary, do not hesitate to contact our staff at 514-873-1100 extension 6260 (French). There may be someone on staff who also speaks English, but it you want to communicate you could write in English and use any one of many free translators from French to English for their responses Cheers Karin -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Tutton via Sent: December 17, 2014 6:12 PM To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDX] French language Help Please I sent a request for a copy of a Bapt. I found on the Internet and received this reply. The Bapt. was at the Garrison Anglican Church Montreal Canada in 1761. Can anyone help please. Bonjour, Nous avons bien reçu votre courriel. Votre demande sera traitée d'ici trois semaines. Au besoin, n'hésitez pas à communiquer avec le personnel du service de référence au 514 873-1100, poste 6260. Service de référence BAnQ Vieux-Montréal Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec Tél.: 514 873-1100, option 4 ou sans frais au 1-800-363-9028 archives.montreal@banq.qc.ca « Avez-vous complété notre sondage en ligne? Cliquez ici ». . ************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* all previous messages EXCEPT the one to which you are replying. *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie name or topic, date and place with surnames only in CAPS. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com The List Archive, containing all messages posted, can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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