Here is a marriage that fits for Richard NAME:Richard Hockings ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR:abt 1865 AGE:32 SPOUSE:Florence Theodora House SPOUSE AGE:19 RECORD TYPE:Marriage EVENT DATE:28 Feb 1897 PARISH:St George, Bloomsbury BOROUGH:Camden FATHER NAME:Lewis Hockings SPOUSE FATHER:Charles House REGISTER TYPE:Parish Register Margaret On Tuesday, 6 January 2015 4:24 AM, Pauline Taylor via <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello Lynn and happy new year to you and all other listers. Have you considered that Richard House Hockings was the godson of his aunt or her husband? Children were often given a godparents name especially if it was thought that they might be mentioned in the godparent's will. This happened in a branch of my family when a child was given his godfather's surname of West as his name, the godfather was incredibly rich but my branch, to which the child belonged, were not!! Its not hard to work out the reasoning of the parents is it. Just an idea, hope it helps, Pauline Taylor Colchester. Britain's First City. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lynn Kitson via" <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 11:40 AM To: "Middx" <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Subject: [MDX] Home Fires - Richard House HOCKINGS > Happy new year to all listers. > My grandfather Richard Hockings was born in Lympstone, Devon in 1865. He > moved to London, Drury Lane, to work for his aunt Ann Shears (Hockings) > and her husband Richard in 1881. I would like to know why he was given > the middle name House (his aunt's husband's surname) when it was more > normal for a child to take their mothers maiden name (hers was Coventon). > Thank you > Lynn > > > . > ************************************** > Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* all > previous messages EXCEPT the one to which you are replying. > > *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie name or topic, date and place with surnames > only in CAPS. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > > The List Archive, containing all messages posted, can be found at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk > > . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. ************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* all previous messages EXCEPT the one to which you are replying. *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie name or topic, date and place with surnames only in CAPS. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com The List Archive, containing all messages posted, can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk .. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello Lynn and happy new year to you and all other listers. Have you considered that Richard House Hockings was the godson of his aunt or her husband? Children were often given a godparents name especially if it was thought that they might be mentioned in the godparent's will. This happened in a branch of my family when a child was given his godfather's surname of West as his name, the godfather was incredibly rich but my branch, to which the child belonged, were not!! Its not hard to work out the reasoning of the parents is it. Just an idea, hope it helps, Pauline Taylor Colchester. Britain's First City. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lynn Kitson via" <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 11:40 AM To: "Middx" <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Subject: [MDX] Home Fires - Richard House HOCKINGS > Happy new year to all listers. > My grandfather Richard Hockings was born in Lympstone, Devon in 1865. He > moved to London, Drury Lane, to work for his aunt Ann Shears (Hockings) > and her husband Richard in 1881. I would like to know why he was given > the middle name House (his aunt's husband's surname) when it was more > normal for a child to take their mothers maiden name (hers was Coventon). > Thank you > Lynn > > > . > ************************************** > Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* all > previous messages EXCEPT the one to which you are replying. > > *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie name or topic, date and place with surnames > only in CAPS. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > > The List Archive, containing all messages posted, can be found at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk > > . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Happy new year to all listers. My grandfather Richard Hockings was born in Lympstone, Devon in 1865. He moved to London, Drury Lane, to work for his aunt Ann Shears (Hockings) and her husband Richard in 1881. I would like to know why he was given the middle name House (his aunt's husband's surname) when it was more normal for a child to take their mothers maiden name (hers was Coventon). Thank you Lynn
I would like to know if my great uncle Richard Middleton (b 1855 Ealing; moved to Exbury ?when) knew the Samuelsons from Banbury before the family lived at Exbury House, Hampshire (1901 Census) and employed Richard as head gardener because of family friendship or was it coincidental? The Samuelsons were well known as an agricultural engineering company, may be that one of the sons had work in the area and was tenant with family and servants at Exbury House. Richard was the eldest of 11 siblings including my Grandfather. Richard Middleton m Elizabeth Malyon 1881 reg. Brentford; returned to Exbury Gardens. Richard d 1914, reg N. Forest. Sons; Richard 1882; Harold 1889; Leonard 1892 at Exbury. Believe Harold m Ethel Payne 1916 Staines? What happened to their three sons after Richard died and Elizabeth if she was still alive as the Head Gardeners' house would probably been a tied living? Some years ago, I received a letter forwarded from a cousin who lived in Gosport, asking about Middletons in Portsmouth. At the time I hadn't researched the different branches of the family and they may well be connected to the above. If anybody recognises these names or are part of the family, I would love to hear from them. Best wishes for 2015 and may all those brick walls come tumbling down. Maureen S. Milton Keynes.
Marriage June quarter 1885: HEWETT, Caroline, Bethnal Green 1c 593; married PRIGG, Albert John or ROBINSON, Frederick Thomas. Anything further appreciated. Les Hewett, Napier, NZ.
On 03/01/2015 01:51, ljhewett via wrote: > > > Marriage June quarter 1885: HEWETT, Caroline, Bethnal Green 1c 593; > married > PRIGG, Albert John or ROBINSON, Frederick Thomas. Anything further > appreciated. This marriage is available on Ancestry with an actual image of the register. If you don't have a subscription, you can buy credits for a small amount or your local library may have it. Many London baptisms, marriages and burials are available. Caroline married Frederick Thomas ROBINSON on 25 May 1885 at St Thomas, Bethnal Green. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/
Any lister with links/knowledge of this family? Any advice appreciated. Les Hewett, Napier, New Zealand. 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription; Usher Rd, North, St Mary Bow, Poplar, London, England Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Theophilis Jaggers Head Male 52 1819 Middlesex, England Susan Jaggers Wife Female 43 1828 Norfolk, England James Jaggers Son Male 21 1850 Surrey, England Albert Jaggers Son Male 16 1855 Surrey, England Peter Jaggers Son Male 13 1858 Middlesex, England Sophia Jaggers Daughter Female 11 1860 Middlesex, England Rose Jaggers Daughter Female 9 1862 Middlesex, England William Turner SonInLaw Male 13 1858 Middlesex, England
Any lister with links/knowledge of these family members? Les Hewett, Napier, New Zealand Palace Road, South Hackney, 1871 census. 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription. Foster Street, Bethnal Green, London, England Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Francis G Barnard Head Married Male 29 1862 Carman Hackney, Middlesex, England Harriett E Barnard Wife Married Female 27 1864 Hackney, Middlesex, England Harriett Barnard Daughter Female 7 1884 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex, England George C Barnard Son Male 6 1885 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex, England James E Barnard Son Male 5 1886 Scholar Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Mary Ann Barnard Daughter Female 3 1888 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Florence R Barnard Daughter Female 2 1889 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Selina E Barnard Daughter Female 0 1891 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, Eng
Newspapers on line have been checked but having looked at those cases reported, on the same day as George Frederick Michshel was due to appear in court, George was not one of the reported cases. At the end of the last reported case it says that the rest of the days cases were not worth reporting, or words to that effect. So it doesn't look as though I will ever find a report of George's case. Regards Jenny DeAngelis <<I would imagine the case would be in the London Gazette, but that might not give details.>>
I would imagine the case would be in the London Gazette, but that might not > give details. Just the basics. as in 'Farmer, New Style' -'we'll all be Gazetted' > local papers are the thing (where the polulation is small enough). They often quote actual words and certainly make what would otherwise be libellous comments on the personal habits and aspirations of the ubnfortunate family. The problem is that this is the London area (even if Middlesex then) and newspapers were smaller, so a scandal in high life or even a natural disaster would push and 'ordinary' bankruptcy into a small corner. They did always record the fact -and newspapers in other areas copied, so that none of their residentsd were conned into dealing with the bankrupt. EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society
Fascinating comparion between London as it was in 1898-1899 and in 2000 http://booth.lse.ac.uk/cgi-bin/do.pl?sub=list_postcodes -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/
It was fascinating Andy> Jeanette -----Original Message----- From: Andy Hedgcock via Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 5:49 AM To: Andy Hedgcock ; middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] THE REMOTE BRITISH COMMUNITY THAT WILL NOT CELEBRATE NEWYEARFOR ANOTHER FORTNIGHT Apologies for sending this! Autofill on the email addy is a pain. Normally I spot it but not on this occasion. At least it's something interesting! Sorry Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Hedgcock via" <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 11:55 AM Subject: [MDX] THE REMOTE BRITISH COMMUNITY THAT WILL NOT CELEBRATE NEW YEARFOR ANOTHER FORTNIGHT > One of Britain's remotest communities will not celebrate the New Year > until nearly two weeks after the rest of the country - because it still > adheres to an ancient calendar for the festivity. Foula in Shetland is > still to even celebrate Christmas. > > It marks Christmas and New Year according to the feast days of the old > Julian calendar - Yule on January 6 and Newerday on the 13th. > > The community of just over 30 on the tiny Shetland island has a strong > Norse tradition of folklore, music and special festivities. Its > inhabitants were the last to speak Norn, a form of old Norse which died > out around 1800. > > Islanders will gather in one house to celebrate Christmas where they will > exchange gifts and greetings. > > They islanders include six children - who had been patiently waiting for > Santa Claus. > > 'Islanders have celebrated these days every since the Georgian Calendar,' > said crofter Jim Gear, 71, who was born on the island. > > 'We have carried this long for a long time - it is part of our tradition. > > 'We are not unique - other parts of the world still celebrate the old > calendar. When New Year comes we will visit each others' houses.' > > The island is three and a half miles long by two and a half miles wide. > > At one point, Foula - which lies 15 miles west of mainland Shetland and > 100 miles north of mainland Scotland, on the same latitude as outhern > Greenland - sustained 287 people. > > Foula got running water in 1982 and full electricity by 1984, supplied by > a diesel generator. It currently has a renewable energy system - mainly > photo voltaic - backed up by diesel. > > The isle is so remote and prone to the weather that attempts by the last > Church of Scotland minister, the Rev. Tom Macintyre, to reach it for one > Christmas service had to be abandoned after three attempts. > > On Foula, Mr Macintyre carried out one wedding - when he married Amy and > Wullie Ratter in their croft garden - one funeral, where mourners had to > walk a mile from the church to the cemetery and, sadly, no baptisms in his > five years in charge. > > Mr Macintyre said he usually left Foula with gifts of lamb and home > baking. > > By special arrangement of the CoS General Assembly, Foula is required to > have six visits per year. > > Foula - meaning "bird island" in old Norse - was the location for the film > The Edge of the World. The RMS Oceanic was wrecked on the nearby Shaalds > of Foula. > > > > . > ************************************** > Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* all > previous messages EXCEPT the one to which you are replying. > > *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie name or topic, date and place with surnames > only in CAPS. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > > The List Archive, containing all messages posted, can be found at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk > > . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message . ************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* all previous messages EXCEPT the one to which you are replying. *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie name or topic, date and place with surnames only in CAPS. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com The List Archive, containing all messages posted, can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I would like to ask Horace Frederick READ, youngest son of my G. G. Grandmother, Elizabeth ( GODFREY) and her second husband John Read when he emigrated to America and did he settle there permanently? Did he find news of his half brother Walter Godfrey ROSS? I have been unable to find anything much about Horace besides his birth registration in the Q2 1873 at Holborn, MSX; his Baptism on 21 Aug 1881 at St. George the Martyr, Holborn, which stated his birth date was 1 May 1873 and the 1881 census, where he is listed as Horace ROSS son, aged 7, with his Mother Elizabeth READ widow, 49 and his half brother Walter ROSS, bookseller Assistant aged 15. living at 16 Hart St. St. George Bloomsbury. His Mother Elizabeth died in 1888. Horace had gone to Buffalo New York by 1895, but I cannot find him on any passenger lists as yet. He had another half brother, Arthur Joseph ROSS who went to Buffalo New York, USA and married there in 1889. >From the web page of Helen Oxford Harris in Australia, for finding missing people in uncatalogued and unindexed Police Correspondence files at the Public Record Office in Victoria Aust, I found reference to Horace via a letter he had written in 1895 from Buffalo New York, USA. He was searching for his half brother Walter Godfrey ROSS, who had left England approximately 12 years earlier. If anyone has these people in their tree or has come across them in their research, I wold love to hear from you. Happy New Year to everyone. Nan Bailey from Oz
Apologies for sending this! Autofill on the email addy is a pain. Normally I spot it but not on this occasion. At least it's something interesting! Sorry Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Hedgcock via" <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 11:55 AM Subject: [MDX] THE REMOTE BRITISH COMMUNITY THAT WILL NOT CELEBRATE NEW YEARFOR ANOTHER FORTNIGHT > One of Britain's remotest communities will not celebrate the New Year > until nearly two weeks after the rest of the country - because it still > adheres to an ancient calendar for the festivity. Foula in Shetland is > still to even celebrate Christmas. > > It marks Christmas and New Year according to the feast days of the old > Julian calendar - Yule on January 6 and Newerday on the 13th. > > The community of just over 30 on the tiny Shetland island has a strong > Norse tradition of folklore, music and special festivities. Its > inhabitants were the last to speak Norn, a form of old Norse which died > out around 1800. > > Islanders will gather in one house to celebrate Christmas where they will > exchange gifts and greetings. > > They islanders include six children - who had been patiently waiting for > Santa Claus. > > 'Islanders have celebrated these days every since the Georgian Calendar,' > said crofter Jim Gear, 71, who was born on the island. > > 'We have carried this long for a long time - it is part of our tradition. > > 'We are not unique - other parts of the world still celebrate the old > calendar. When New Year comes we will visit each others' houses.' > > The island is three and a half miles long by two and a half miles wide. > > At one point, Foula - which lies 15 miles west of mainland Shetland and > 100 miles north of mainland Scotland, on the same latitude as outhern > Greenland - sustained 287 people. > > Foula got running water in 1982 and full electricity by 1984, supplied by > a diesel generator. It currently has a renewable energy system - mainly > photo voltaic - backed up by diesel. > > The isle is so remote and prone to the weather that attempts by the last > Church of Scotland minister, the Rev. Tom Macintyre, to reach it for one > Christmas service had to be abandoned after three attempts. > > On Foula, Mr Macintyre carried out one wedding - when he married Amy and > Wullie Ratter in their croft garden - one funeral, where mourners had to > walk a mile from the church to the cemetery and, sadly, no baptisms in his > five years in charge. > > Mr Macintyre said he usually left Foula with gifts of lamb and home > baking. > > By special arrangement of the CoS General Assembly, Foula is required to > have six visits per year. > > Foula - meaning "bird island" in old Norse - was the location for the film > The Edge of the World. The RMS Oceanic was wrecked on the nearby Shaalds > of Foula. > > > > . > ************************************** > Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* all > previous messages EXCEPT the one to which you are replying. > > *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie name or topic, date and place with surnames > only in CAPS. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > > The List Archive, containing all messages posted, can be found at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk > > . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Any lister with links/knowledge of JAMES HEWITT ex Norwich, m. EMILY CLAYBYN/Father STEPHEN, St. Philip's Church, Bethnal Green, March 10, 1859. Any advice appreciated. Les Hewett, Napier, NZ.
One of Britain's remotest communities will not celebrate the New Year until nearly two weeks after the rest of the country - because it still adheres to an ancient calendar for the festivity. Foula in Shetland is still to even celebrate Christmas. It marks Christmas and New Year according to the feast days of the old Julian calendar - Yule on January 6 and Newerday on the 13th. The community of just over 30 on the tiny Shetland island has a strong Norse tradition of folklore, music and special festivities. Its inhabitants were the last to speak Norn, a form of old Norse which died out around 1800. Islanders will gather in one house to celebrate Christmas where they will exchange gifts and greetings. They islanders include six children - who had been patiently waiting for Santa Claus. 'Islanders have celebrated these days every since the Georgian Calendar,' said crofter Jim Gear, 71, who was born on the island. 'We have carried this long for a long time - it is part of our tradition. 'We are not unique - other parts of the world still celebrate the old calendar. When New Year comes we will visit each others' houses.' The island is three and a half miles long by two and a half miles wide. At one point, Foula - which lies 15 miles west of mainland Shetland and 100 miles north of mainland Scotland, on the same latitude as outhern Greenland - sustained 287 people. Foula got running water in 1982 and full electricity by 1984, supplied by a diesel generator. It currently has a renewable energy system - mainly photo voltaic - backed up by diesel. The isle is so remote and prone to the weather that attempts by the last Church of Scotland minister, the Rev. Tom Macintyre, to reach it for one Christmas service had to be abandoned after three attempts. On Foula, Mr Macintyre carried out one wedding - when he married Amy and Wullie Ratter in their croft garden - one funeral, where mourners had to walk a mile from the church to the cemetery and, sadly, no baptisms in his five years in charge. Mr Macintyre said he usually left Foula with gifts of lamb and home baking. By special arrangement of the CoS General Assembly, Foula is required to have six visits per year. Foula - meaning "bird island" in old Norse - was the location for the film The Edge of the World. The RMS Oceanic was wrecked on the nearby Shaalds of Foula.
I would imagine the case would be in the London Gazette, but that might not give details. Jeanette -----Original Message----- From: Jenny De Angelis via Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 3:36 AM To: eve@varneys.org.uk ; middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] Home Fires,surnames MICHSHEL/L+ vars. and VINCENT London/Middx. Hi Eve, Thankyou for the message and for the piece you found on the Genealogist site regarding Edward Michshel. I have never found others, of other families, by this surname on the Ancestry site in any of the records there. I will have to keep both Alsace and Switzerland in mind. If only I could find a record for George arriving in England, but never have yet. I guessed that George would have served the gentry with his modelling in plaster. I have always imagined him modelling the cornices and ceiling roses etc., that you find in 18th. & 19th. century houses. I certainly agree with you about how easy it would be to become bankrupt when clients didn't pay for work done. We once bought an 2nd. hand van which had belonged to a plasterer, it took three goes with a hose pipe to wash all the dust out of the interior before we could use the thing without getting mucky, so you would certainly need plenty to drink when working with plaster I imagine, why not have a beer instead of risking the water. Does anyone know where I might find a record of the bankruptcy court case for George Frederick Michshel. All I have to date if an item from the newspapers announcing that he and others were to appear in the Court of insolvency on a certain date. I don't know what happened once George appeared, or whether or not he did appear or absconded or something Regards, and Happy New Year to all Jenny DeAngelis <<For what it is worth, when he married, George could not write his name, but Charlotte could. The vicar has spelled out the surname very clearly indeed, presumably at Charlotte's dictation.* All the entries in that surname (bar one) are members of their family in 2-3 generations. George was registered as Moschellers when he died. IT was extraordianrily easy to become bankrupt, if you were in a trade providing goods to the gentry (and plaster modelling would have been aimed at fairly wealthy customers.) You had to give credit, they didn't pay, and if you chased them for money they bad-mouthed you to other potetnial clienmts. Plaster is dry, dusty stuff, needing copiuos draughts of liquid to keep the mouth and throat lubricated. George could have used water - but all the medical men were beginnibng to agree that water was not very safe in London, full of sewage fall-out. What was a man to do but drink beer? Not, presumably, that George would have regarded that as a hardship :-) * Was Mich- shell really Michelle with a hiccup in it? And (courtesy of 'The Genealogist' site,) I have found one non-descendant - a later Edward Michshel, in that very uncommon spelling, and he is living in St Pancras, a waiter at an inn, b 1878, and 'born Switzerland, Swiss' - so that is worth trying too.>> . ************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT* and always *DELETE* all previous messages EXCEPT the one to which you are replying. *MEANINGFUL Subject Lines* ie name or topic, date and place with surnames only in CAPS. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com The List Archive, containing all messages posted, can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=middlesex_county_uk . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
http://www.redcross.org.uk/About-us/Who-we-are/History-and-origin/First-World-War At the moment only A-D, but the rest will follow over the next few months. Happy New Year Andy
On 30/12/2014 22:19, ljhewett via wrote: > SUSAN HEWETT > She was born c1827 at Norwich. She is on the 1841 census with the > family in Norwich. > She married a WILLIAM TURNER on 17 April 1865 after Banns at St Philip > Bethnal Green. > William Turner is aged 40 yrs single works as a shoemaker and lives at > Ramsey Street. > His father is JOSEPH TURNER - White Smith > Susan Hewett aged 38 yrs single no occupation listed of Ramsey Street. > Her father is ROBERT HEWETT- weaver > Witnesses: John and Emily Goodrick. > Only William signs his name > They had been living together before they married. They are on the 1861 > census as married with a 3yr old son William. William Turner snr is from > Norwich. What information are you looking for or questioning? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk
Hi Eve, Thankyou for the message and for the piece you found on the Genealogist site regarding Edward Michshel. I have never found others, of other families, by this surname on the Ancestry site in any of the records there. I will have to keep both Alsace and Switzerland in mind. If only I could find a record for George arriving in England, but never have yet. I guessed that George would have served the gentry with his modelling in plaster. I have always imagined him modelling the cornices and ceiling roses etc., that you find in 18th. & 19th. century houses. I certainly agree with you about how easy it would be to become bankrupt when clients didn't pay for work done. We once bought an 2nd. hand van which had belonged to a plasterer, it took three goes with a hose pipe to wash all the dust out of the interior before we could use the thing without getting mucky, so you would certainly need plenty to drink when working with plaster I imagine, why not have a beer instead of risking the water. Does anyone know where I might find a record of the bankruptcy court case for George Frederick Michshel. All I have to date if an item from the newspapers announcing that he and others were to appear in the Court of insolvency on a certain date. I don't know what happened once George appeared, or whether or not he did appear or absconded or something Regards, and Happy New Year to all Jenny DeAngelis <<For what it is worth, when he married, George could not write his name, but Charlotte could. The vicar has spelled out the surname very clearly indeed, presumably at Charlotte's dictation.* All the entries in that surname (bar one) are members of their family in 2-3 generations. George was registered as Moschellers when he died. IT was extraordianrily easy to become bankrupt, if you were in a trade providing goods to the gentry (and plaster modelling would have been aimed at fairly wealthy customers.) You had to give credit, they didn't pay, and if you chased them for money they bad-mouthed you to other potetnial clienmts. Plaster is dry, dusty stuff, needing copiuos draughts of liquid to keep the mouth and throat lubricated. George could have used water - but all the medical men were beginnibng to agree that water was not very safe in London, full of sewage fall-out. What was a man to do but drink beer? Not, presumably, that George would have regarded that as a hardship :-) * Was Mich- shell really Michelle with a hiccup in it? And (courtesy of 'The Genealogist' site,) I have found one non-descendant - a later Edward Michshel, in that very uncommon spelling, and he is living in St Pancras, a waiter at an inn, b 1878, and 'born Switzerland, Swiss' - so that is worth trying too.>>