Thanks, Marg. I'll have a look at those when I have a spare half hour. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marg Keable" <mkeable@netconnect.com.au> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE > Hi, > I noted your interest in an Edith STRANGE. Are you a member of the > 'Strange-the name' mailing group? > Or have you looked at the following website that contains a lot of > information about those with the surname STRANGE: > www.yourtotaleven.org > I think that is correct unless it is .com > Marg KEABLE whose ggg grandmother was Martha STRANGE. > > Her brother came to London from Suffolk around 1790. He was Francis STRANGE > and he and his wife, Frances STRANGE nee STOCKENS/STOCKINGS had a number of > children. He was a cooper and had a business in London and his children > were registered in Dr William's Library. Two of his sons moved to Berkshire. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> > To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE > > >> Thanks very much for your reply, Jan. The Edwin you mention was brother to >> another William LAWRENCE , sometime Lord Mayor of London. >> Our Edwin married Edith Strange. in Ercilla, Chile in 1870. The only >> photograph we have of Edwin's descendants includes Edith but not her >> husband. Edith is apparently buried in the Royal Navy Mausoleum in >> Valparaiso....not sure about Edwin. I cannot find any school records for >> their offspring although surviving documents state that the LAWRENCE >> children returned to England for their education. >> Sorry, I can't find anything more but would really appreciate some >> assistance if possible please, >> >> Jan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "jan royal" <janroyal2000@hotmail.com> >> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 3:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE >> >> >>> >>> is the Edwin Lawrence Barrister living 10 Palace Gardens Kensington on >>> 1891 (b.1837) your Edwin? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: neil.hearn3@bigpond.com >>>> To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 12:02:21 +1000 >>>> Subject: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE >>>> >>>> Hello again, >>>> I would like to find any reference to the early life of Edwin LAWRENCE >>>> who was said to have been born in London in 1840 please. He spent some >>>> of his life in Chile, marrying there in 1870, and becoming a Master in >>>> the Masonic Lodge . He is thought to be a son or grandson of William >>>> LAWRENCE who was born in 1782 in Old Windsor, Berkshire and died in 1855 >>>> in Lambeth Surrey. William LAWRENCE owned a coffeehouse at 21 James St, >>>> Long Acre among other London properties. >>>> >>>> Thanks , >>>> Jan >>>> in sunny Queensland. >>>> >>>> >>>> ************************************** >>>> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >>>> superfluous old messages in replies. >>>> >>>> List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> View photos of singles in your area! Looking for a hot date? >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ >>> ************************************** >>> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >>> superfluous old messages in replies. >>> >>> List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

J K gen wrote: > The age at death variance is, as Jenny says, probably irrelevant - two > different informants with two different ages, not unusual. He might even have had a birthday between his death and burial. I know the age should be that at death but ...... -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi Mary As others have said the chances of him having a head stone is remote and even remoter that it would have survived The burial is very unlikely to tell you much either, sadly burials at that time recorded very little This is the one thats been mentioned Tower Hamlets Saint Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney 1840 3rd July George BARTLETT Place = MEOT (Mile End Old Town) Disorder = Consumption Age = 41 yrs The burial register itself contains even less Tower Hamlets Saint Dunstan and All Saints Stepney 1840 George BARTLETT Abode = MEOT When buried = July 3rd Age = Years 41 By whom = E JAMES Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > I am searching for the burial plot of > George Bartlett who died 25/6/1840 > He was a soldier who died in London Hospital in the District of > Whitechapel Co. Middlesex.aged 40. He was stationed in Hyde Park Barracks > in the 1st Life Guards. > > I would love to know id he has a headstone as he is a mystery to me where > his parentage is concerned and hope it might throw some light on > things..if there is any way of finding out where he is buried I can get > someone to take a photo of the headstone for me.. > > Mary > Sydney

Where I have the information regarding burials/cremations I have only ever found one relative's burial within less than seven days - indeed most were 10 days or more. I would therefore consider the eight day gap quoted by Jenny to be the norm, rather than to be caused by hospital research. If he was in hospital unexpectedly then after his death somebody would have to be found to pay for the funeral, or arrangements to be made for the burial, this could have caused a slight delay. The entry on Ancestry looks to be from the day or account book, so as well as the place being given as Mile End Old Town, the cause of death is Consumption. Also shown are the costs for the space and the people. Though I confess to having difficulty interpreting the first few columns! The age at death variance is, as Jenny says, probably irrelevant - two different informants with two different ages, not unusual. Whether the Burial book itself is extant I don't know - this could/should confirm his occupation. JK On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Jenny De Angelis <jennyda2@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Mary, > > I found a burial that might fit but there is no way of knowing for sure, > from the details given, whether it is your George Bartlett or not. What I > have found is on the Ancestry site, London England Deaths and Burials > 1813-1980. Burials at St. Dunstan's church, Stepney, Middlesex. George > Bartlett abode Mile End Old Town buried 3rd July 1840 aged 41. > >

Hi Mary, I found a burial that might fit but there is no way of knowing for sure, from the details given, whether it is your George Bartlett or not. What I have found is on the Ancestry site, London England Deaths and Burials 1813-1980. Burials at St. Dunstan's church, Stepney, Middlesex. George Bartlett abode Mile End Old Town buried 3rd July 1840 aged 41. The fact that the age is out by a year over what information you have for your George. But that is neither here not there as it depends on what information the informants had. The informant who registered the death and the person arranging the burial could have been two different people with different ideas on George's age. I know this burial is about 8 days after your George died in the London Hospital but if, as Nivard Suggested, the hospital used George's body for research purposes then he might not have been buried for a few days after his death, people did tend to be buried within about 3 days of death. The Royal London Hospital, as it is called today, was, and still is, a teaching hospital and is not very far from St. Dunstan's church Stepney. Maybe, if the above is your George's burial, his case was an interesting one and the hospital might have used his body for research or teaching purposes. This would delay burial by a few extra days. I presume you have the death certificate for George, does that say if a post mortem was carried out at all? A post mortem would possibly delay the burial by a few extra days. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. >>> I am searching for the burial plot of > George Bartlett who died 25/6/1840 > He was a soldier who died in London Hospital in the District of > Whitechapel Co. Middlesex.aged 40. He was stationed in Hyde Park Barracks > in the 1st Life Guards.<<

There has never been a rule as to where a deceased person had to be buried, and it can be very difficult to locate an individual. The churchyards in the central London area were generally closed starting in 1853. St Mary Whitechapel was so closed, but not until the 1870s. Mile End Old Town was still within the ancient parish of St Dunstan Stepney, whose burial ground was still open in 1840. The local Cemetery, Tower Hamlets Cemetery, was not open until the next year, 1841. Almost all the local records of burial are at London Metropolitan Archives and have been digitised by Ancestry.com and are available to subscribers to search. Ancestry have also indexed the post 1813 burials, though it has to be said that the indexing is rather hit and miss, and certainly a search of each register showing burials available in 1840 in the "Tower Hamlets" section is the most likely way to find someone dying in London or Whitechapel Hospital in 1840. Regards Cliff Webb

Any lister with links/knowledge of a William White and wife Mary Ward, married Brentford 1852? May have emigrated to Victoria, OZ, and had a daughter there (Annie) in 1870? Any advice appreciated. Les H., Napier, NZ.

Hi Nivard.. I am hoping he is buried in the ground..LOL.. I am searching for the burial plot of George Bartlett who died 25/6/1840 He was a soldier who died in London Hospital in the District of Whitechapel Co. Middlesex.aged 40. He was stationed in Hyde Park Barracks in the 1st Life Guards. I would love to know id he has a headstone as he is a mystery to me where his parentage is concerned and hope it might throw some light on things..if there is any way of finding out where he is buried I can get someone to take a photo of the headstone for me.. Mary Sydney

Hi, I noted your interest in an Edith STRANGE. Are you a member of the 'Strange-the name' mailing group? Or have you looked at the following website that contains a lot of information about those with the surname STRANGE: www.yourtotaleven.org I think that is correct unless it is .com Marg KEABLE whose ggg grandmother was Martha STRANGE. Her brother came to London from Suffolk around 1790. He was Francis STRANGE and he and his wife, Frances STRANGE nee STOCKENS/STOCKINGS had a number of children. He was a cooper and had a business in London and his children were registered in Dr William's Library. Two of his sons moved to Berkshire. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE > Thanks very much for your reply, Jan. The Edwin you mention was brother to > another William LAWRENCE , sometime Lord Mayor of London. > Our Edwin married Edith Strange. in Ercilla, Chile in 1870. The only > photograph we have of Edwin's descendants includes Edith but not her > husband. Edith is apparently buried in the Royal Navy Mausoleum in > Valparaiso....not sure about Edwin. I cannot find any school records for > their offspring although surviving documents state that the LAWRENCE > children returned to England for their education. > Sorry, I can't find anything more but would really appreciate some > assistance if possible please, > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jan royal" <janroyal2000@hotmail.com> > To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 3:33 PM > Subject: Re: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE > > >> >> is the Edwin Lawrence Barrister living 10 Palace Gardens Kensington on >> 1891 (b.1837) your Edwin? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: neil.hearn3@bigpond.com >>> To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 12:02:21 +1000 >>> Subject: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE >>> >>> Hello again, >>> I would like to find any reference to the early life of Edwin LAWRENCE >>> who was said to have been born in London in 1840 please. He spent some >>> of his life in Chile, marrying there in 1870, and becoming a Master in >>> the Masonic Lodge . He is thought to be a son or grandson of William >>> LAWRENCE who was born in 1782 in Old Windsor, Berkshire and died in 1855 >>> in Lambeth Surrey. William LAWRENCE owned a coffeehouse at 21 James St, >>> Long Acre among other London properties. >>> >>> Thanks , >>> Jan >>> in sunny Queensland. >>> >>> >>> ************************************** >>> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >>> superfluous old messages in replies. >>> >>> List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> View photos of singles in your area! Looking for a hot date? >> http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ >> ************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE Thanks so much for your help. The original Will of William LAWRENCE, born in 1782 in Old Windsor, Berkshire was made in 1852 and he made no mention in it of two sons, William or Edward, making his eldest daughter Executrix. A Codicil was added in 1855, just before he died, in which he left some property and his gold watch to William if he returned and payed back money which had been advanced to him earlier.. No mention is made of Edward but the codicil mentions that son, George, has recently passed away. The conditions seem unbelievably controlling and involved but I gather William senior was trying to ensure that his wife would be taken care of after his passing.. It would seem that William and his family never returned and we have found the daughter and her family living in a house in Regents Park which was part of the estate through several census returns. I guess the tone of the document helps me accept that the sons may have wanted to be independent although it seems William, at least, was happy to accept financial assistance from his parents.. William junior married in 1845 and a biography published in Chile states that he purchased Schaefers department store in Valparaiso in 1846. Perha! ps Edward, Charlotte and little Edwin made the voyage with his brother and wife. Hoping something else with turn up soon to verify or disprove what we've found. Best wishes, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Chambers" <anne.chambers@bigpond.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE > There was a baptism for an Edwin in 1840 with father Edward. William had a son Edward b 1824 but he would > have been 15 when Edwin was born, so probably not the father of that child. Jan is trying to connect an Edwin > b 1840 to William but it doesn't look as if this is the connection. > Anne > > jan royal wrote: >> >> >> I'm confused - is it Edwin or Edward >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: neil.hearn3@bigpond.com >>> To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 21:12:36 +1000 >>> Subject: Re: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE >>> >>> ! It's certainly more likely than anything else I've found. A marriage certificate could possibly simply have "Gent" for Edward's father's occupation as do several other certificates I've purchased. The only explanation possible for Edward, Charlotte and Edwin not being found together in any census is surely that they left the country? I do know that the LAWRENCE family in Chile were into wine growing and selling. I will probably order the certificate, though, unless something else turns up in the next few days. >>> >>> Thank so much anyhow, >>> Jan >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> View photos of singles in your area! Looking for a hot date? >> http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ >> ************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Try http://www.coraweb.com.au/shipindex.htm lots of links there for passenger lists/immigration indexes. Anne South Australia Les Hewett wrote: > Any lister with links/knowledge of a William White and wife Mary Ward, > married Brentford 1852? May have emigrated to Victoria, OZ, and had a > daughter there (Annie) in 1870? Any advice appreciated. Les H., Napier, NZ.

Would you include any Westminster burial records (if there is such a thing...), or would you include them with the lack of Westminster records. I have a group that are lost in Westminster.....thx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Webb" <cliffwebbhistorian@yahoo.co.uk> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 5:29 AM Subject: Re: [MDX] Cemetery Records > There has never been a rule as to where a deceased person had to be > buried, and it can be very difficult to locate an individual. The > churchyards in the central London area were generally closed starting in > 1853. St Mary Whitechapel was so closed, but not until the 1870s. Mile End > Old Town was still within the ancient parish of St Dunstan Stepney, whose > burial ground was still open in 1840. The local Cemetery, Tower Hamlets > Cemetery, was not open until the next year, 1841. Almost all the local > records of burial are at London Metropolitan Archives and have been > digitised by Ancestry.com and are available to subscribers to search. > Ancestry have also indexed the post 1813 burials, though it has to be said > that the indexing is rather hit and miss, and certainly a search of each > register showing burials available in 1840 in the "Tower Hamlets" section > is the most likely way to find someone dying in London or Whitechapel > Hospital in 1840. > Regards > Cliff Webb > > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Mary I am afraid the chances of finding a headstone for George are incredibly slim. The fact that he died in the London Hospital (now the Royal London Hospital) indicates that he was not from a family with means, as at that time hospitals were charitable institutions for the care of the poor (and for the education of doctors). Anyone who could afford it stayed well clear of them and was treated in their own home. There was insufficient space in churchyards and burial grounds even for the better off and the luxury of a private plot with a headstone was reserved for the rich who could be buried out of town or in family vaults. You can get an idea of how bad things were in Whitechapel by reading some of the contemporary accounts at http://www.burial.magic-nation.co.uk/bgwhitechapel.htm. This situation improved considerably as the century progressed, with private cemeteries opening up to cater for the middle classes and municipal cemeteries for the poor being established on the outskirts of the capital. London churchyards were officially closed in 1854, though many had already ceased to be used by this date. I believe that the London Hospital had its own burial ground at one stage (now presumably built over), and George may have been buried there. The hospital's earlier archives are still at the hospital and it might be worth emailing their archivist (rlharchives@bartsandthelondon.nhs.uk) to see if burial records survive. Best wishes Caroline > > Hi Nivard.. I am hoping he is buried in the ground..LOL.. > > I am searching for the burial plot of > George Bartlett who died 25/6/1840 > He was a soldier who died in London Hospital in the District of > Whitechapel Co. Middlesex.aged 40. He was stationed in Hyde Park > Barracks in the 1st Life Guards. > > I would love to know id he has a headstone as he is a mystery to me > where his parentage is concerned and hope it might throw some light on > things..if there is any way of finding out where he is buried I can get > someone to take a photo of the headstone for me.. > > Mary > Sydney

I'm confused - is it Edwin or Edward > From: neil.hearn3@bigpond.com > To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 21:12:36 +1000 > Subject: Re: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE > > ! It's certainly more likely than anything else I've found. A marriage certificate could possibly simply have "Gent" for Edward's father's occupation as do several other certificates I've purchased. The only explanation possible for Edward, Charlotte and Edwin not being found together in any census is surely that they left the country? I do know that the LAWRENCE family in Chile were into wine growing and selling. I will probably order the certificate, though, unless something else turns up in the next few days. > > Thank so much anyhow, > Jan _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area! Looking for a hot date? http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/

There was a baptism for an Edwin in 1840 with father Edward. William had a son Edward b 1824 but he would have been 15 when Edwin was born, so probably not the father of that child. Jan is trying to connect an Edwin b 1840 to William but it doesn't look as if this is the connection. Anne jan royal wrote: > > > I'm confused - is it Edwin or Edward > > > > > >> From: neil.hearn3@bigpond.com >> To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com >> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 21:12:36 +1000 >> Subject: Re: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE >> >> ! It's certainly more likely than anything else I've found. A marriage certificate could possibly simply have "Gent" for Edward's father's occupation as do several other certificates I've purchased. The only explanation possible for Edward, Charlotte and Edwin not being found together in any census is surely that they left the country? I do know that the LAWRENCE family in Chile were into wine growing and selling. I will probably order the certificate, though, unless something else turns up in the next few days. >> >> Thank so much anyhow, >> Jan > > > _________________________________________________________________ > View photos of singles in your area! Looking for a hot date? > http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Listers.. If someone died in London Hospital and the death was registered in Whitechapel , in the subdistrict of Whitechapel Church, County of Middlesex.. could you tell me where they would be buried..death was in 1840..Think it might have something to do with Mile End Old Town as that was mentioned in the records. Know this is a big ask but just hoping someone can help.. Thanks Mary Sydney

There is this too Deaths Sep 1840 LAWRENCE Edwin Henry St George Hanover Square 1 15 who may or may not be the one born in Mar qr 1840. Is it possible to get a copy of his 1870 marriage certifcate ? Neil & Jan Hearn wrote: > Hmmm! It's certainly more likely than anything else I've found. A marriage certificate could possibly > simply have "Gent" for Edward's father's occupation as do several other certificates I've purchased. The > only explanation possible for Edward, Charlotte and Edwin not being found together in any census is surely > that they left the country? I do know that the LAWRENCE family in Chile were into wine growing and selling. > I will probably order the certificate, though, unless something else turns up in the next few days. > > Thank so much anyhow, Jan

Hmmm! It's certainly more likely than anything else I've found. A marriage certificate could possibly simply have "Gent" for Edward's father's occupation as do several other certificates I've purchased. The only explanation possible for Edward, Charlotte and Edwin not being found together in any census is surely that they left the country? I do know that the LAWRENCE family in Chile were into wine growing and selling. I will probably order the certificate, though, unless something else turns up in the next few days. Thank so much anyhow, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Chambers" <anne.chambers@bigpond.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE > That seems a bit of a stretch to me - none are particularly uncommon names. I'd be inclined to get the > marriage certificate to see what father William's occupation was - if it's along the lines of victualler, > vintner or wine merchant, then you'd know you had the right one. > Marriages Mar 1839 > DOISY Charlotte Caroline St. Jas. Westr. 1 92 > LAWRANCE Edward St. Jas. Westr. 1 92 (transcribed as St Jus Westn but definitely St Jas Westr.) > > Anne > South Australia > > William and Mary are in the 1851 census > > Neil & Jan Hearn wrote: >> Thanks, Anne and Caroline. I'm moving foward with this at last thanks to your help. Yes, I do have the Will >> but Edward is not mentioned at all which led me to think he must have died young. Now I have found on >> familysearch the marriage between Edward LAWRENCE, son of William, at St James, Westminster on 10 March >> 1839 to Charlotte Caroline DOISY. Although Edward would have been only 15-16, I now believe it must be the >> right family as I can't find any of them in any census. Thanks so much to both of you. >> >> Jan > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There could be lots of reasons why they aren't on a census - it's not uncommon - mistranscription, misspelling, missed out...lots of misses ;) Edward's occupation when Edwin was baptised was Postman (I checked again in case it was Potman but it wasn't) which is unconected with the wine business. I just can't see the likelihood of a 15 year old marrying (if that is the case, the licence should say 'with permission of his father' or something like that) and then going with his wife and baby to Chile all in the space of two years. I think this may be Charlotte: Deaths Mar 1851 Lawrence Charlotte Caroline James St West 1 98 Anne Neil & Jan Hearn wrote: > Hmmm! It's certainly more likely than anything else I've found. A marriage certificate could possibly > simply have "Gent" for Edward's father's occupation as do several other certificates I've purchased. The > only explanation possible for Edward, Charlotte and Edwin not being found together in any census is surely > that they left the country? I do know that the LAWRENCE family in Chile were into wine growing and selling. > I will probably order the certificate, though, unless something else turns up in the next few days. > > Thank so much anyhow, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Chambers"<anne.chambers@bigpond.com> > To:<middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [MDX] Edwin > LAWRENCE > > >> That seems a bit of a stretch to me - none are particularly uncommon names. I'd be inclined to get the >> marriage certificate to see what father William's occupation was - if it's along the lines of >> victualler, vintner or wine merchant, then you'd know you had the right one. Marriages Mar 1839 DOISY >> Charlotte Caroline St. Jas. Westr. 1 92 LAWRANCE Edward St. Jas. Westr. 1 92 (transcribed as St Jus >> Westn but definitely St Jas Westr.) >> >> Anne South Australia >> >> William and Mary are in the 1851 census >> >> Neil& Jan Hearn wrote: >>> Thanks, Anne and Caroline. I'm moving foward with this at last thanks to your help. Yes, I do have the >>> Will but Edward is not mentioned at all which led me to think he must have died young. Now I have found >>> on familysearch the marriage between Edward LAWRENCE, son of William, at St James, Westminster on 10 >>> March 1839 to Charlotte Caroline DOISY. Although Edward would have been only 15-16, I now believe it >>> must be the right family as I can't find any of them in any census. Thanks so much to both of you. >>> >>> Jan

That seems a bit of a stretch to me - none are particularly uncommon names. I'd be inclined to get the marriage certificate to see what father William's occupation was - if it's along the lines of victualler, vintner or wine merchant, then you'd know you had the right one. Marriages Mar 1839 DOISY Charlotte Caroline St. Jas. Westr. 1 92 LAWRANCE Edward St. Jas. Westr. 1 92 (transcribed as St Jus Westn but definitely St Jas Westr.) Anne South Australia William and Mary are in the 1851 census Neil & Jan Hearn wrote: > Thanks, Anne and Caroline. I'm moving foward with this at last thanks to your help. Yes, I do have the Will > but Edward is not mentioned at all which led me to think he must have died young. Now I have found on > familysearch the marriage between Edward LAWRENCE, son of William, at St James, Westminster on 10 March > 1839 to Charlotte Caroline DOISY. Although Edward would have been only 15-16, I now believe it must be the > right family as I can't find any of them in any census. Thanks so much to both of you. > > Jan