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Dear Listers.. Got a reply back from the Archivist at London Hospital informing me that their records only start in 1883..what a pain..As regards the burial he said he was unable to say where he was buried as this was dealt with by the Coroner from the local district Authorities.. Can anyone tell me where one can find a Coroners report for this man in 1840 .. in Whitechapel..or would they have all been destroyed.. Kind Regards Mary Sydney

Hello fellow listers, I need help to find the Death Index for Ellen Mc Carthy. In the 1881 Census: (RG11 Piece:0448 Folio: 94 Page:2) She was living in the Cohens buildings Whitechapel, with husband John and children. In the 1891 Census: (RG12 Piece:283 Folio: 71 Page: 34), John is a widower, with 3 children, still living at the same address. Ellen must have died somewhere between 1881 and 1891 I have looked on Ancestry for the Death Index, but no luck. Could somebody else please have a look to see if I have missed her? Regards, Roger (Oz). _________________________________________________________________ New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private? Find it at CarPoint.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/206222968/direct/01/

From: "robin" <robin.el@bigpond.com> >I seem to receive individual emails- am I subscribed to the wrong list? How >do I change to digest mode? > Robin Replied off list. Ann Middx Admin

Hi MEJ? For more on Divorce see :- http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=53 Go to http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ Select The catalogue Enter the name in the top box and J77 in the lower box (remember it would usually be GROVES v GROVES rather than her maiden name) Divorce was still a fairly expensive business, many simply didn't use the paperwork and went their own ways Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello List, > I need to see if a divorce was ever granted to a couple who married > in Southampton, 3 Nov 1914. > Does the PRO maintain divorce data? > Where does one go to answer a question such as this? > FYI, the persons married were Alfred Richard GROVES and Elsa (Elsie) Rosa > HAAS. > Thanks > MEJ in California

Hello Listers, I have found on findmypast a Frederick H Watts who died at sea 12/ 4/ 1868 age 30. The document list includes his place of birth that I can not make out. There are only four images to view for Frederick Watts death at sea in 1868. I think the place of birth says Mihuona but I can not find any place by that name. Can someone who is a subscriber please take a look at this place of birth? Thank you in advance. Marcia Earl Canada

>From Colonist, ( New Zealand ), Volume XL11, Issue 9581, 12 September 1899, Page 2. MARRIAGE. ROBBINS - SMITH - On August 23rd, 1899, at the Hope Wesleyan Church, by the Rev. T. G. CARR , William ROBBINS , of Hope, son of the late John ROBBINS , of Brixton, England, to Louisa Alice SMITH , fourth daughter of William Poore SMITH , of Hope, Nelson.

The only variant of Susanna(h) that I've seen is Susan. It's a biblical name and distinct from Hannah. Hannah is also of Hebrew origin and Anna is the Latin version. I have plenty of ancestors called Anna (Anna Maria seems a popular combination) in the late seventeen - early eighteen hundreds. There is one who appears variously as Hannah or as Anna. Wikipedia has info. on the origins of these names. Angela On 28 Jun 2010, at 12:31 pm, Santa Traugott wrote: > I am looking for a woman named in a [Whitechapel] will of 1747 as > "Anna Scott, widow." > > After staring at literally hundreds of names of Ann or Ann Scott, it > has occurred to me that perhaps Anna is a relatively strange variation > of this name. I know that IGI treats "Hannah" as a variation of Anne, > and so perhaps Anna is really a Hannah. > > But could the same also be true of Susanna? Has anyone ever seen > Susannah for Anna? I can imagine that a testator who said Susannah > could have been misheard as saying Anna -- but any other thoughts on > the possibility that Anna is Susannah? > > Or comments on whether or not Anna is in fact a rather odd name for > this period and place? > > Santa T.

Dear Listers you are just brilliant and have such knowledge..I now have a better idea of how things were back then and have emailed the hospital to see if they will send me any information they have..They might find me a pain in the neck and not send anything but there is no harm in trying...Thanks a heap and if I hear anything I will let you know.. Thanks onec again.. Mary Sydney

Jenny De Angelis wrote: > As Mary was talking about a death in 1840, when there would not have been > refrigeration for keeping bodies longer than a few days, I believe that most > people would have been buried within 3 or 4 days of death at that time. A > delay might be caused by the inquest but I have found that the inquests > that have taken place for members of my past family have usually been the > day after the death and the body released for burial within a day or two of > that inquest. A few years ago I would have agreed with you, but I have since discovered bodies could be and were kept for up to a week before burial even back then and before. The bodies could be kept anywhere that was cool enough, especially ice houses. There's no doubt there were burials that did take place with two or three days of death. I've come across both in the course of my research but I'm more inclined to agree with JK that the norm was about a week. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

The reason I said in my message to Mary that 8 days between the death and the burial was longer than normal is because I have found that most of my ancestors who died in the 1800s, and up to and including one who died in 1915, have been buried within 3 or 4 days of death, as a general rule. The one who died in 1915 died on Wed. August 4th and was buried on Fri. August 6th he died in hospital of a fractured skull after a fall downstairs at the end of July. So not a death from an infectious disease which might cause a body to be buried quickly. I have a page from the local newspaper showing the inquest report and the announcement of his death with the details of the funeral arrangements. The same deaths column of the paper shows details of funerals of other people who had also died a few days earlier in 1915 who were to be buried within days of dying. As Mary was talking about a death in 1840, when there would not have been refrigeration for keeping bodies longer than a few days, I believe that most people would have been buried within 3 or 4 days of death at that time. A delay might be caused by the inquest but I have found that the inquests that have taken place for members of my past family have usually been the day after the death and the body released for burial within a day or two of that inquest. Nowadays of course things are different and in England, at least, funerals tend to take place about a week after the death. Here in Spain funerals still take place within 2 days of death, apart from exceptional cases. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain.

Santa Traugott wrote: > I am looking for a woman named in a [Whitechapel] will of 1747 as > "Anna Scott, widow." > > After staring at literally hundreds of names of Ann or Ann Scott, > it has occurred to me that perhaps Anna is a relatively strange > variation of this name. I know that IGI treats "Hannah" as a > variation of Anne, and so perhaps Anna is really a Hannah. Anna and Hanna/h were interchangeable so Anna could have been Hanna/h. > But could the same also be true of Susanna? Has anyone ever seen > Susannah for Anna? I can imagine that a testator who said Susannah > could have been misheard as saying Anna -- but any other thoughts > on the possibility that Anna is Susannah? I've not seen Anna for Susanna/h but I have regularly come across Susan for Susanna/h. If the will was made on the deceased's death bed, it's entirely possible whoever was writing down the details misheard the name. > Or comments on whether or not Anna is in fact a rather odd name for > this period and place? No, it's not odd for either time nor place. IIRC, and bearing in mind I didn't do Latin at school, I believe Anna is the Latin version of Ann/e so it might be a left over from that time I never cease to be surprised by some of the apparently "grand" names used by very ordinary families for their children. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

I have a cd of Victorian ( Aus ) immigrants 1852 - 1879 and checked through for a William White that came at the same time and ship as a Mary White and the only ones I found were May 1868 arriving on the "Sea King" William White aged 23 and Mary White aged 21. Code B; Fische 274; Page 001.There were no other "White" passengers on that trip. I don't have the cd for births in Victoria for c1870 so can't help there for now. I don't know if these are your William and Mary White, as the ages look wrong if they were married in 1852. Would there have been any other children coming across with them? Nan Bailey Qld Aust On 27 June 2010 09:51, Les Hewett <ljhewett@ihug.co.nz> wrote: > Any lister with links/knowledge of a William White and wife Mary Ward, > married Brentford 1852? May have emigrated to Victoria, OZ, and had a > daughter there (Annie) in 1870? Any advice appreciated. Les H., Napier, NZ. > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello List, I need to see if a divorce was ever granted to a couple who married in Southampton, 3 Nov 1914. Does the PRO maintain divorce data? Where does one go to answer a question such as this? FYI, the persons married were Alfred Richard GROVES and Elsa (Elsie) Rosa HAAS. Thanks MEJ in California

Thanks to those who have replied. Both replies very helpful. I will give up on Susannah (except as a possible deathbed last gasp, but very unlikely!) Santa T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ag.hamilton" <ag.hamilton@vfast.co.uk> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [MDX] given name "Anna" > The only variant of Susanna(h) that I've seen is Susan. It's a > biblical name and distinct from Hannah. Hannah is also of Hebrew > origin and Anna is the Latin version. > I have plenty of ancestors called Anna (Anna Maria seems a popular > combination) in the late seventeen - early eighteen hundreds. There is > one who appears variously as Hannah or as Anna. > > Wikipedia has info. on the origins of these names. > > Angela > > > > On 28 Jun 2010, at 12:31 pm, Santa Traugott wrote: > >> I am looking for a woman named in a [Whitechapel] will of 1747 as >> "Anna Scott, widow." >> >> After staring at literally hundreds of names of Ann or Ann Scott, it >> has occurred to me that perhaps Anna is a relatively strange variation >> of this name. I know that IGI treats "Hannah" as a variation of Anne, >> and so perhaps Anna is really a Hannah. >> >> But could the same also be true of Susanna? Has anyone ever seen >> Susannah for Anna? I can imagine that a testator who said Susannah >> could have been misheard as saying Anna -- but any other thoughts on >> the possibility that Anna is Susannah? >> >> Or comments on whether or not Anna is in fact a rather odd name for >> this period and place? >> >> Santa T. > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

>From Universal Spectator and Weekly Journal ( London, England ), Saturday, May 17, 1740; Issue 606. On Tuesday Night died at Camberwell, Mr. BARNES , Under Warehouse-Keeper of the East-India Company's Private Trade Warehouse, and Auctioneer to the said Company.

Thanks, Marg. The site is very interesting bur not ant help unfortunately. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marg Keable" <mkeable@netconnect.com.au> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE > Hi, > I noted your interest in an Edith STRANGE. Are you a member of the > 'Strange-the name' mailing group? > Or have you looked at the following website that contains a lot of > information about those with the surname STRANGE: > www.yourtotaleven.org > I think that is correct unless it is .com > Marg KEABLE whose ggg grandmother was Martha STRANGE. > > Her brother came to London from Suffolk around 1790. He was Francis STRANGE > and he and his wife, Frances STRANGE nee STOCKENS/STOCKINGS had a number of > children. He was a cooper and had a business in London and his children > were registered in Dr William's Library. Two of his sons moved to Berkshire. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> > To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE > > >> Thanks very much for your reply, Jan. The Edwin you mention was brother to >> another William LAWRENCE , sometime Lord Mayor of London. >> Our Edwin married Edith Strange. in Ercilla, Chile in 1870. The only >> photograph we have of Edwin's descendants includes Edith but not her >> husband. Edith is apparently buried in the Royal Navy Mausoleum in >> Valparaiso....not sure about Edwin. I cannot find any school records for >> their offspring although surviving documents state that the LAWRENCE >> children returned to England for their education. >> Sorry, I can't find anything more but would really appreciate some >> assistance if possible please, >> >> Jan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "jan royal" <janroyal2000@hotmail.com> >> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 3:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE >> >> >>> >>> is the Edwin Lawrence Barrister living 10 Palace Gardens Kensington on >>> 1891 (b.1837) your Edwin? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: neil.hearn3@bigpond.com >>>> To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 12:02:21 +1000 >>>> Subject: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE >>>> >>>> Hello again, >>>> I would like to find any reference to the early life of Edwin LAWRENCE >>>> who was said to have been born in London in 1840 please. He spent some >>>> of his life in Chile, marrying there in 1870, and becoming a Master in >>>> the Masonic Lodge . He is thought to be a son or grandson of William >>>> LAWRENCE who was born in 1782 in Old Windsor, Berkshire and died in 1855 >>>> in Lambeth Surrey. William LAWRENCE owned a coffeehouse at 21 James St, >>>> Long Acre among other London properties. >>>> >>>> Thanks , >>>> Jan >>>> in sunny Queensland. >>>> >>>> >>>> ************************************** >>>> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >>>> superfluous old messages in replies. >>>> >>>> List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> View photos of singles in your area! Looking for a hot date? >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ >>> ************************************** >>> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >>> superfluous old messages in replies. >>> >>> List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am looking for a woman named in a [Whitechapel] will of 1747 as "Anna Scott, widow." After staring at literally hundreds of names of Ann or Ann Scott, it has occurred to me that perhaps Anna is a relatively strange variation of this name. I know that IGI treats "Hannah" as a variation of Anne, and so perhaps Anna is really a Hannah. But could the same also be true of Susanna? Has anyone ever seen Susannah for Anna? I can imagine that a testator who said Susannah could have been misheard as saying Anna -- but any other thoughts on the possibility that Anna is Susannah? Or comments on whether or not Anna is in fact a rather odd name for this period and place? Santa T.

Thank you JK for your very informative information on this. We had a Great Aunt who was buried in Chatham, Kent, about 10 days after her death. We wondered why the delay. From your description, it seems this was fairly common. Anne J K gen wrote: > Where I have the information regarding burials/cremations I have only ever > found one relative's burial within less than seven days - indeed most were > 10 days or more. I would therefore consider the eight day gap quoted by > Jenny to be the norm, rather than to be caused by hospital research. If he > was in hospital unexpectedly then after his death somebody would have to be > found to pay for the funeral, or arrangements to be made for the burial, > this could have caused a slight delay. > > The entry on Ancestry looks to be from the day or account book, so as well > as the place being given as Mile End Old Town, the cause of death is > Consumption. Also shown are the costs for the space and the people. Though I > confess to having difficulty interpreting the first few columns! > > The age at death variance is, as Jenny says, probably irrelevant - two > different informants with two different ages, not unusual. > > Whether the Burial book itself is extant I don't know - this could/should > confirm his occupation. > > JK > > >

Now I will correct the website address I gave; www.yourtotalevent.com Marg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE > Thanks, Marg. I'll have a look at those when I have a spare half hour. > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marg Keable" <mkeable@netconnect.com.au> > To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE > > >> Hi, >> I noted your interest in an Edith STRANGE. Are you a member of the >> 'Strange-the name' mailing group? >> Or have you looked at the following website that contains a lot of >> information about those with the surname STRANGE: >> www.yourtotaleven.org >> I think that is correct unless it is .com >> Marg KEABLE whose ggg grandmother was Martha STRANGE. >> >> Her brother came to London from Suffolk around 1790. He was Francis >> STRANGE >> and he and his wife, Frances STRANGE nee STOCKENS/STOCKINGS had a number >> of >> children. He was a cooper and had a business in London and his children >> were registered in Dr William's Library. Two of his sons moved to >> Berkshire. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> >> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE >> >> >>> Thanks very much for your reply, Jan. The Edwin you mention was brother >>> to >>> another William LAWRENCE , sometime Lord Mayor of London. >>> Our Edwin married Edith Strange. in Ercilla, Chile in 1870. The only >>> photograph we have of Edwin's descendants includes Edith but not her >>> husband. Edith is apparently buried in the Royal Navy Mausoleum in >>> Valparaiso....not sure about Edwin. I cannot find any school records for >>> their offspring although surviving documents state that the LAWRENCE >>> children returned to England for their education. >>> Sorry, I can't find anything more but would really appreciate some >>> assistance if possible please, >>> >>> Jan >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "jan royal" <janroyal2000@hotmail.com> >>> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 3:33 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE >>> >>> >>>> >>>> is the Edwin Lawrence Barrister living 10 Palace Gardens Kensington on >>>> 1891 (b.1837) your Edwin? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: neil.hearn3@bigpond.com >>>>> To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com >>>>> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 12:02:21 +1000 >>>>> Subject: [MDX] Edwin LAWRENCE >>>>> >>>>> Hello again, >>>>> I would like to find any reference to the early life of Edwin LAWRENCE >>>>> who was said to have been born in London in 1840 please. He spent some >>>>> of his life in Chile, marrying there in 1870, and becoming a Master in >>>>> the Masonic Lodge . He is thought to be a son or grandson of William >>>>> LAWRENCE who was born in 1782 in Old Windsor, Berkshire and died in >>>>> 1855 >>>>> in Lambeth Surrey. William LAWRENCE owned a coffeehouse at 21 James >>>>> St, >>>>> Long Acre among other London properties. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks , >>>>> Jan >>>>> in sunny Queensland. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ************************************** >>>>> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >>>>> superfluous old messages in replies. >>>>> >>>>> List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> View photos of singles in your area! 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