Hello Nivard, The William John Horne who married Louisa Anna Wilson and who died at Bibbenluke in 1899, was definitely the son of Swithin & Eliza Horne. We have original letters written by his younger brother in London in 1885 to William here in Australia. William John Horne definitely came to Australia sometime in the 1850's. The family have a story about "Sea Shanties" he used to sing. We are just trying to find some sort of proof of his travel to Australia. Maybe he was in the Merchant navy in the 1851 Census, but unless he was in port at the time, I am not sure where else to turn for that info either. Thank you also to Anne for her reply as well. Anne Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Anne > > If he is not with his family in 1841 is it not more likely that he died ? > > When you say "He married Louisa Anna Wilson" I am not sure if you mean the > man who arrived in Australia or your man ? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >

It's just occurred to me that if he was on the Wellington as a mariner, he might have been part of the crew. In which case, you might be able to find the crew list at the Maritime Museum in Greenwich. http://www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/archive/catalogue/ Anne South Australia Anne Chapman wrote: > Hello Nivard, > The William John Horne who married Louisa Anna Wilson and who died > at Bibbenluke in 1899, was definitely the son of Swithin& Eliza Horne. > We have original letters written by his younger brother in London in > 1885 to William here in Australia. > William John Horne definitely came to Australia sometime in the > 1850's. The family have a story about "Sea Shanties" he used to sing. > We are just trying to find some sort of proof of his travel to Australia. > Maybe he was in the Merchant navy in the 1851 Census, but unless he > was in port at the time, I am not sure where else to turn for that info > either. > Thank you also to Anne for her reply as well. Anne > > Nivard Ovington wrote: >> Hi Anne >> >> If he is not with his family in 1841 is it not more likely that he died ? >> >> When you say "He married Louisa Anna Wilson" I am not sure if you mean the >> man who arrived in Australia or your man ? >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Listers, I am wondering if any of you wonderful people, might be able to push me in the right direction, to find my Great Grandfather’s Marine records. My Great Grandfather, William John Horne, was born at 9 Munster Street, Regents Park, Middx on the 15 December 1833 to parents Swithin & Eliza Horne (nee Matthews). William was christened on 7 January 1834 at St Pancras Old Church, where his parents were married and his 12 sisters and brothers were christened. William was not with the family at the above address in the 1841 Census, reason, away at school? So far we have not been able to locate him. I have just learnt, from my cousin, that there was a training School for Midshipmen at the Royal Naval College at New Cross, London. This School began in 1845 and took cadets mainly from the sons of serving officers but also from others who could afford to pay. Swithin Horne was a Master Butcher and owned quite a few shops in the Regents Park area. William arrived in Australia in the 1850's. We do have the record of a William Horne who arrived at the Melbourne port in January 1853 on the ship "Wellington" as a Mariner, aged 19. The right age for him at that time. We know he did have an Uncle John Matthews and family living in Melbourne at that time. He married Louisa Anna Wilson on 2 May 1861 at Bibbenluke, near Bombala NSW Louisa having been born in Sydney in 1846. Is there anyone with access to the records for that Training School? The Royal Naval College at Greenwich was too late for him. Thank you, one & all for what information you are able to help me with. Maybe this information could help others in the same situation. Anne

It's highly unlikely that, if the William Horne, Mariner, who arrived in 1853 is your man, he went to a Royal Naval Training School. He would almost certainly have called himself a 'naval officer' or 'seaman' in that case. Mariners were usually merchant seamen, merchant captains were 'master mariners'. I have many mariners and master mariners among my ancestors - they were all merchant seamen. Anne South Australia Anne Chapman wrote: > Hi Listers, > I am wondering if any of you wonderful people, might be able to push me > in the right direction, to find my Great Grandfather’s Marine records. > My Great Grandfather, William John Horne, was born at 9 Munster Street, > Regents Park, Middx on the 15 December 1833 to parents Swithin& Eliza > Horne (nee Matthews). William was christened on 7 January 1834 at St > Pancras Old Church, where his parents were married and his 12 sisters > and brothers were christened. William was not with the family at the > above address in the 1841 Census, reason, away at school? So far we have > not been able to locate him. I have just learnt, from my cousin, that > there was a training School for Midshipmen at the Royal Naval College at > New Cross, London. This School began in 1845 and took cadets mainly from > the sons of serving officers but also from others who could afford to > pay. Swithin Horne was a Master Butcher and owned quite a few shops in > the Regents Park area. > William arrived in Australia in the 1850's. We do have the record of a > William Horne who arrived at the Melbourne port in January 1853 on the > ship "Wellington" as a Mariner, aged 19. The right age for him at that > time. We know he did have an Uncle John Matthews and family living in > Melbourne at that time. > He married Louisa Anna Wilson on 2 May 1861 at Bibbenluke, near Bombala > NSW Louisa having been born in Sydney in 1846. > Is there anyone with access to the records for that Training School? The > Royal Naval College at Greenwich was too late for him. > Thank you, one& all for what information you are able to help me with. > Maybe this information could help others in the same situation. Anne >

Of course, it is better to write it Grunholtz Graham

> >is the same as Greenholtz ? >Josi Hi Josi German/English dictionary says YES. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Hi Anne If he is not with his family in 1841 is it not more likely that he died ? When you say "He married Louisa Anna Wilson" I am not sure if you mean the man who arrived in Australia or your man ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Hi Listers, I am wondering if any of you wonderful people, might be able to push me in the right direction, to find my Great Grandfather’s Marine records. My Great Grandfather, William John Horne, was born at 9 Munster Street, Regents Park, Middx on the 15 December 1833 to parents Swithin & Eliza Horne (nee Matthews). William was christened on 7 January 1834 at St Pancras Old Church, where his parents were married and his 12 sisters and brothers were christened. William was not with the family at the above address in the 1841 Census, reason, away at school? So far we have

Yes, I found it very interesting, particularly in regard to the reasons for it starting in the first place. Anne Neil & Jan Hearn wrote: > A very intersesting article. Thanks, Charani. > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charani" <charani.b@gmail.com> > To: "List Middx" <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:26 PM > Subject: [MDX] Great Fire of London: The Untold Story > > > >> I found this article on the BBC new site which gives a rather >> different view of the Great Fire from the slightly sanitised one we're >> more used to. >> >> Full story: >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8772583.stm >> >> -- >> Charani (UK) >> OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM >> Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM >> http://wsom-opc.org.uk >> ************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

A very intersesting article. Thanks, Charani. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <charani.b@gmail.com> To: "List Middx" <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:26 PM Subject: [MDX] Great Fire of London: The Untold Story >I found this article on the BBC new site which gives a rather > different view of the Great Fire from the slightly sanitised one we're > more used to. > > Full story: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8772583.stm > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The name in German would actually be Grünholz (with an umlaut over the 'u'). The pronunciation of the German word 'grün' is almost identical to English 'green'. When foreigners resided in England their names often changed - in spelling too - to match the way English people pronounced their name. In the case of this name, the fact that English has no umlaut would be a further reason to change from German to English spelling. It also made it less likely that the person so named would immediately 'stand out' as foreign. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1

If anyone has a little " german " please may I ask if the surname Greenwood is the same as Greenholtz ? A friend is struggling! thank you Josi

> To Anne and Nivard...... Thank you for the advice for searching ( Mc Carthy/Mccarthy) on Ancestry. I had not thought of removing the space between the "c's". I learn something new every day from you experienced researches. Regards, Roger (Oz). _________________________________________________________________ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/

I found this article on the BBC new site which gives a rather different view of the Great Fire from the slightly sanitised one we're more used to. Full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8772583.stm -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Many thanks to Anne & Bill for their help with the Death Index for my Ellen Mc Carthy. I haven't used the Free BDM site in the past, only Ancestry. I will now be able to order the certificate. Regards, Roger (Oz). _________________________________________________________________ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/

I couldn't find it on Ancestry either, then I remembered that the Ancestry search engine doesn't automatically find mccarthy and mc carthy in the same search as FreeBMD does so you need to try it both ways. Anne South Australia Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Roger > > You must have missed the entry as its on Ancestry > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> Many thanks to Anne& Bill for their help with the Death Index for my >> >> Ellen Mc Carthy. I haven't used the Free BDM site in the past, only >> Ancestry. >> >> >> >> I will now be able to order the certificate. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Roger (Oz). >

Image sent Anne South Australia gutheridge sue wrote: > Hi Everyone, could someone have a look at the 1861 census please& see address& who was living with HENRY > WILCOX St george Hanover Square. Thank you very much. Sue **************************************

Hi Roger You must have missed the entry as its on Ancestry Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Many thanks to Anne & Bill for their help with the Death Index for my > > Ellen Mc Carthy. I haven't used the Free BDM site in the past, only > Ancestry. > > > > I will now be able to order the certificate. > > > > Regards, > > Roger (Oz).

Hi Everyone, could someone have a look at the 1861 census please & see address & who was living with HENRY WILCOX St george Hanover Square. Thank you very much. Sue

On Free BMD there are two possible answers to your question about Ellen McCarthy. 1. Aged 30. December quarter 1887, Whitechapel, Vol 1c, page 267. 2. Aged 58. December quarter 1890, Whitechapel, Vol 1c, page 271 Hope this solves your problem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Mc Carthy" <mccarthyrp@hotmail.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: [MDX] Ellen Mc Carthy Death Index Needed > > Hello fellow listers, > > I need help to find the Death Index for Ellen Mc Carthy. > > > > In the 1881 Census: (RG11 Piece:0448 Folio: 94 Page:2) She was living in > the Cohens > > buildings Whitechapel, with husband John and children. > > > > In the 1891 Census: (RG12 Piece:283 Folio: 71 Page: 34), John is a > widower, with 3 > > children, still living at the same address. > > > > Ellen must have died somewhere between 1881 and 1891 > > I have looked on Ancestry for the Death Index, but no luck. > > Could somebody else please have a look to see if I have missed her? > > > > Regards, > > Roger (Oz). > > _________________________________________________________________ > New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private? Find it at CarPoint.com.au > http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/206222968/direct/01/ > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

FreeBMD has this one Deaths Dec 1890 McCarthy Ellen 58 Whitechapel 1c 271 Don't know why Ancestry doesn't, unless they haven't updated their FreeBMD index lately. Anne South Australia Roger Mc Carthy wrote: > > Hello fellow listers, > > I need help to find the Death Index for Ellen Mc Carthy. > > > > In the 1881 Census: (RG11 Piece:0448 Folio: 94 Page:2) She was living in the Cohens > > buildings Whitechapel, with husband John and children. > > > > In the 1891 Census: (RG12 Piece:283 Folio: 71 Page: 34), John is a widower, with 3 > > children, still living at the same address. > > > > Ellen must have died somewhere between 1881 and 1891 > > I have looked on Ancestry for the Death Index, but no luck. > > Could somebody else please have a look to see if I have missed her? > > > > Regards, > > Roger (Oz). > > _________________________________________________________________ > New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private? Find it at CarPoint.com.au > http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/206222968/direct/01/ > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >