Think that is a little out, as he was definitely in Bibbenluke then. Married May 1961, a son born 1862 but had died before the end of 1863. A daughter, Constance was born early 1864. She took over from her father in the position of Postmaster in September 1883. Anne Anne Chambers wrote: > They've got him arriving from Auckland in 1864 - it's the Parker Miles and Simonson family tree > Anne > >

Anne there's a couple different ones on line..(excluding the ancestry ones) world connect is down right now. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Chambers" <anne.chambers@bigpond.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [MDX] William John HORNE of London & Australia > They've got him arriving from Auckland in 1864 - it's the Parker Miles and > Simonson family tree > Anne > > Anne Chapman wrote: >> Thanks Jenelle, >> I have contacted that one before, but could not find it again just >> then. I did not think that there was anything about shipping before or >> I could have missed it. >> Thanks for reminding me. Anne >> >> Jenelle McCarrick wrote: >>> I guess you've looked at the trees on ancestry which provide his arrival >>> on >>> a boat into NSW, they are under public trees, a jubilee...... have you >>> tried >>> to find him with his father called Swithin Horne at all... >>> Jenelle. >>> >> >> ************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Anne just found another tree on line with googling Swithin Horne and Eliza Matthews, I haven't asked for a password as its no interest to me, a different genealogy site.... I have seen Swithin spelt Swithen Horne, have you tried free census or another country for William... there were about 4 trees on ancestry also try world connect as well. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Chapman" <anne@chapman.id.au> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [MDX] William John HORNE of London & Australia > Thanks Jenelle, > I have contacted that one before, but could not find it again just > then. I did not think that there was anything about shipping before or > I could have missed it. > Thanks for reminding me. Anne > > Jenelle McCarrick wrote: >> I guess you've looked at the trees on ancestry which provide his arrival >> on >> a boat into NSW, they are under public trees, a jubilee...... have you >> tried >> to find him with his father called Swithin Horne at all... >> Jenelle. >> > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks Jenelle, I have contacted that one before, but could not find it again just then. I did not think that there was anything about shipping before or I could have missed it. Thanks for reminding me. Anne Jenelle McCarrick wrote: > I guess you've looked at the trees on ancestry which provide his arrival on > a boat into NSW, they are under public trees, a jubilee...... have you tried > to find him with his father called Swithin Horne at all... > Jenelle. >

They've got him arriving from Auckland in 1864 - it's the Parker Miles and Simonson family tree Anne Anne Chapman wrote: > Thanks Jenelle, > I have contacted that one before, but could not find it again just > then. I did not think that there was anything about shipping before or > I could have missed it. > Thanks for reminding me. Anne > > Jenelle McCarrick wrote: >> I guess you've looked at the trees on ancestry which provide his arrival on >> a boat into NSW, they are under public trees, a jubilee...... have you tried >> to find him with his father called Swithin Horne at all... >> Jenelle. >> > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I guess you've looked at the trees on ancestry which provide his arrival on a boat into NSW, they are under public trees, a jubilee...... have you tried to find him with his father called Swithin Horne at all... Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Chapman" <anne@chapman.id.au> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 3:14 PM Subject: [MDX] William John HORNE of London & Australia > Hi Listers, > As promised earlier, I will now briefly describe the facts and > unproved facts about my Great Grandfather, William John Horne. > FACT William John Horne was born 15 Dec 1833 9 Munster St Regents Pk, > London. > FACT William John Horne was bapt 7 Jan 1834 St Pancras Old Church, > child of Swithin Horne (Master Butcher) & Eliza Horne (nee Matthews - d > James & Sarah Matthews). > 1841 Still no luck on this one. He would have been aged 7. > Definitely not with 2 older brothers at school in Portman Place. > 1851 I am presuming he may have been on a boat, aged 17, at this > time. > UNPROVED BUT LOOKING VERY MUCH LIKE OUR GUY > 1853 The arrival of the "Wellington" at Pt Phillip on 2 January 1853. > FACT We had the Shipping List of this boat from the Genealogical > Society of Victoria in 2008 with details of Passengers as > follows: > Horne, Wm, 19, Single person, Profession Mariner, he was English, > and was contracted to land at Port Phillip. > Index to Unassisted Inward Passengers to Victoria 1852 - > 1923 (information from Nan Bailey, Q'ld) > HORNE, Wm, 19, Arrival Jan 1953 on Wellington. Port > "B", Fiche 025, Page 001. > (have been offered help to find what the Port B means, > by a very generous fellow in Melbourne -- thank you) > UNPROVED THAT THIS IS OURS. > ELECTORAL ROLL FOR VICTORIAN GOLDFIELDS 1856 - 1857 (found by my > cousin in Sydney) > HORNE William, Creswick, miner, Qualification to vote - miners right. > UNPROVED THAT THIS IS OUR GUY > MARINERS & SHIPS IN AUSTRALIAN WATERS. (with thanks to Anne > Chambers of South Australia for this info) > We find on the Coastal ship "Dunedin" from Melbourne to Sydney, > arriving 4 Feb 1858. Wm Horne as a Passenger. > FACT WILLIAM JOHN HORNE married LOUISA ANNA WILSON (b 1846 Sydney) on > 2 May 1861 at Bibbenluke. > FACT William John Horne was the Storekeeper on Bibbenluke Station, > near Bombala, at the time and later to become Postmaster on the Station. > FACT William John Horne died at Bibbenluke on 9 March 1899 aged 65 > years (Correct) s Swithin & Eliza and had been in NSW for 39 years > (1859/1860). Information was given by his eldest surviving son. He was > laid to rest in Bombala Cemetery and has a headstone. > Thank you to everyone who has been of assistance. it has been > wonderful of you all to take the time to help. > Anne > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

According to ancestry.co.uk a possible relative arrived in London in 1806 from Boulogne, France. The entry has been transcribed as St Sebastian DOISY on the website. Can anyone tell me what the St means please? Also, I cannot decipher the full name of the ship on which he arrived. Any help would be appreciated. Many thanks, Jan

We honestly do not know, there are no family connections to a Harwood. It suddenly appeared on his marriage. We have found him referred to as John William as well. Anne Anne Chambers wrote: > Hi Anne, > I see there are quite a few references to him on Google as William John Harwood Horne - where does the Harwood > come from ? > http://www.monaropioneers.com/nimmitabel/pioneers/horne-w.htm > is one > > Anne > South Australia > > > > >

Good luck. Pat, we searched for years before my cousin made a phone call to the Cemetery Office at Kensal Green about midnight our time, and gave particulars, to be told that Swithin was there and there were 6 buried in that family grave. They did have a headstone. I agree, but at least our Birth and Death Indexes have parents names, where, in the case of Deaths the person giving the info knew the details and the Death Registration has burial/cremation details. Would have saved us years of searching, only found them by a process of elimination, as they were buried away from where they lived. You may not necessarily find them close to where they lived. Anne Pat Lewis wrote: > Thank you Cherrie for the list and google site of the cemeteries in > London area. However, I don't see the area I meed. I have been trying > to find a cemetery that would be close to Bethnal Green as possibly my > great grand parents and 2 uncles buried there. Since the English and > Irish death certificates do not have a location of cemetery on their > them, as we do here in the USA, and no family to ask, "where" since > they died in 1903, 05 and in the 1930's. > Any suggestions would be helpful , maybe a letter to the cemetery might > get me the info??? > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Listers, As promised earlier, I will now briefly describe the facts and unproved facts about my Great Grandfather, William John Horne. FACT William John Horne was born 15 Dec 1833 9 Munster St Regents Pk, London. FACT William John Horne was bapt 7 Jan 1834 St Pancras Old Church, child of Swithin Horne (Master Butcher) & Eliza Horne (nee Matthews - d James & Sarah Matthews). 1841 Still no luck on this one. He would have been aged 7. Definitely not with 2 older brothers at school in Portman Place. 1851 I am presuming he may have been on a boat, aged 17, at this time. UNPROVED BUT LOOKING VERY MUCH LIKE OUR GUY 1853 The arrival of the "Wellington" at Pt Phillip on 2 January 1853. FACT We had the Shipping List of this boat from the Genealogical Society of Victoria in 2008 with details of Passengers as follows: Horne, Wm, 19, Single person, Profession Mariner, he was English, and was contracted to land at Port Phillip. Index to Unassisted Inward Passengers to Victoria 1852 - 1923 (information from Nan Bailey, Q'ld) HORNE, Wm, 19, Arrival Jan 1953 on Wellington. Port "B", Fiche 025, Page 001. (have been offered help to find what the Port B means, by a very generous fellow in Melbourne -- thank you) UNPROVED THAT THIS IS OURS. ELECTORAL ROLL FOR VICTORIAN GOLDFIELDS 1856 - 1857 (found by my cousin in Sydney) HORNE William, Creswick, miner, Qualification to vote - miners right. UNPROVED THAT THIS IS OUR GUY MARINERS & SHIPS IN AUSTRALIAN WATERS. (with thanks to Anne Chambers of South Australia for this info) We find on the Coastal ship "Dunedin" from Melbourne to Sydney, arriving 4 Feb 1858. Wm Horne as a Passenger. FACT WILLIAM JOHN HORNE married LOUISA ANNA WILSON (b 1846 Sydney) on 2 May 1861 at Bibbenluke. FACT William John Horne was the Storekeeper on Bibbenluke Station, near Bombala, at the time and later to become Postmaster on the Station. FACT William John Horne died at Bibbenluke on 9 March 1899 aged 65 years (Correct) s Swithin & Eliza and had been in NSW for 39 years (1859/1860). Information was given by his eldest surviving son. He was laid to rest in Bombala Cemetery and has a headstone. Thank you to everyone who has been of assistance. it has been wonderful of you all to take the time to help. Anne

Hi Anne, I see there are quite a few references to him on Google as William John Harwood Horne - where does the Harwood come from ? http://www.monaropioneers.com/nimmitabel/pioneers/horne-w.htm is one Anne South Australia Anne Chapman wrote: Snip

According to the House of Commons Child Migrants Trust Report 1999, it is estimated that approximately 150,000 children were dispatched to the colonies over a period of 350 years with the earliest recorded child migrants leaving Britain in 1618 for Virginia USA. Over 100,000 of these youngsters ended up in Canada. While researching my own family history, I accidentally discovered that one of my distantly related ancestors Elizabeth Griffin was a Child Migrant. My family had been completely unaware of her existence even though my great great grandparents raised her brother Dennis from the age of 9. She was sent overseas in 1901 by a Northern Workhouse to Canada along with a group of other local children. As many of these children came from Middlesex there is a high possibility that there may be one in your family tree. There still may be descendants of these children’s families living in the United Kingdom and further afield With a little bit of determined research and plenty of patience, some of you may also discover that you have connections to families around the world. I am saddened to see that there are still very many known ‘home children’ who are not being ‘claimed’. Of course their descendents are often unaware of their existence as I was but for those of your readers researching their family history, who have found that the trail of a young ancestor has ‘gone cold’ between the years of public census, it may be that they had not simply died but that they were one of these many children. A child did not have to have been an orphan or deserted for them to have been sent overseas. There have been times in the past when social conditions in Britain were tough and families found themselves in difficulties for all sorts of reasons. Some had to turn to one of the many organizations such as Barnardos for help. Sometimes it was part of the agreement of a child’s admission to a home that their parents/guardians had to consent to their children being ‘emigrated’ if the organization thought fit. It is also worth knowing that a few did manage to return home again so that they do not appear to have left in the first place. Some young men enlisted in the Army during WW1 and WW2 as a way of trying to return home, others simply waited until they reached adulthood and were able to save up for the passage home. Many however were completely unaware of their origins or had lost touch with their families. Some simply never had the opportunity to return to the UK because of poverty, illness or death. Despite the very many sad stories that have come to light over the years there have also been many successes and some children were fortunate to be taken on by considerate employers or found themselves in loving homes and went on to have families of their own. However their lives turned out to be, happy or sad, they all deserve to be remembered and yet this still seems to be a period in our history that has been shamefully neglected and forgotten. My personal aim is to try to unite descendants with their ‘home child’. To this end, if any of you think that there is a possibility that you might be connected to one of these child migrants, I would like to recommend as a starting point a couple of very good websites devoted to this very topic: http://www.britishhomechildren.org http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/d...5-100.01-e.php We are trying to build a comprehensive index on www.britishhomechildren.org of all children sent overseas so even if you do not have a child migrant in your family please help raise awareness of the scheme by visiting the sites and reading about the scheme If you have any questions about the schemes please feel free to contact me and I will endeaviour to answer if I can or find out the answer. Thank you so much for reading this Georgina Sales Proud to be connected to Elizabeth (Marjorie) Griffin, one of over 100,000 British Home Children sent from the United Kingdom to a new life in Canada.

Hi again On reflection the St is more likely to be an abbreviation for "Servant" to Charles le GOUBE Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Jan > > The date of the incoming list is 18th July *1836* > > I would suggest the St is possibly Lt (the rank Lieutenant)? > > The vessel is the Royal Sovereign > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > >> According to ancestry.co.uk a possible relative arrived in London in 1806 >> from Boulogne, France. The entry has been transcribed as St Sebastian >> DOISY on the website. Can anyone tell me what the St means please? Also, >> I cannot decipher the full name of the ship on which he arrived. Any help >> would be appreciated. >> Many thanks, >> >> Jan >

Hi Jan The date of the incoming list is 18th July *1836* I would suggest the St is possibly Lt (the rank Lieutenant)? The vessel is the Royal Sovereign Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > According to ancestry.co.uk a possible relative arrived in London in 1806 > from Boulogne, France. The entry has been transcribed as St Sebastian > DOISY on the website. Can anyone tell me what the St means please? Also, I > cannot decipher the full name of the ship on which he arrived. Any help > would be appreciated. > Many thanks, > > Jan

Thank you, Jenny, I will reply to you off list this morning. I will give the list what is now known about this William Horne, to give listers some of the trails we followed, with very much thanks to you wonderful listers, today. Anne Jenny De Angelis wrote: > HI Anne, > > thankyou for your offlist reply. > >

Hello Pat. It might also help if you put the names of your relatives. Someone may have them or links to them in the their tree and have the cemetery information you need. Regards. Barbara. ________________________________ From: Pat Lewis <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> To: UK_middlesex_co <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 4 July, 2010 5:12:23 Subject: [MDX] Cemetery list thank you Thank you Cherrie for the list and google site of the cemeteries in London area. However, I don't see the area I meed. ......

Thank you Cherrie for the list and google site of the cemeteries in London area. However, I don't see the area I meed. I have been trying to find a cemetery that would be close to Bethnal Green as possibly my great grand parents and 2 uncles buried there. Since the English and Irish death certificates do not have a location of cemetery on their them, as we do here in the USA, and no family to ask, "where" since they died in 1903, 05 and in the 1930's. Any suggestions would be helpful , maybe a letter to the cemetery might get me the info???

Santa, Some (but not all) united parishes retained separate registers for each constituent parish. The original parish boundaries were observed, even though there was no separate church, and events were recorded for parishioners in the appropriate register, according to where they lived. I hope that makes sense? HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of strau I notice by Googling that St. Ann Blackfriars was destroyed during the Great Fire of 1665 and not rebuilt but afterwards merged with St. Andrew of the Wardrobe. My question is, I have just been looking (via Ancestry) at baptism and marriages registers for St. Ann Blackfriars that clearly resume after an interruption around 1680 and go forward. That is, there is not a separate book before and after 1685, although the hands are clearly different. And the entries don't seem to be labeled St. Andrew. What do I not understand or have I missed about this? Santa T.

That would be wonderful if you could do that for us. Everything now seems to be falling into place. I am getting writer's cramp today -- do not think I have stopped since about 2 pm. Thanks once again, Graham. Anne Graham Price wrote: > At 02:37 PM 3/07/2010, Anne wrote: > Port B, Fiche 025, Page 001. Anyone in Victoria, who may be able to > access this extra > >> information, their assistance would be very much appreciated >> > > Hello Anne > Unless someone may be able to do it earlier, I should be able to get > to this record for you on Monday 5th July. > Cheers > Graham > Melbourne > Oz > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

At 02:37 PM 3/07/2010, Anne wrote: Port B, Fiche 025, Page 001. Anyone in Victoria, who may be able to access this extra >information, their assistance would be very much appreciated Hello Anne Unless someone may be able to do it earlier, I should be able to get to this record for you on Monday 5th July. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz