Jon this seems to be a sign of the times & economics...very sad. Have you heard any rumblings about NOT releasing the 1921 Census? Do not know all the details but here in Canada there is talk of not releasing ours due to Privacy Act... Ellen

Thanks Jenny for the extra suggestions. The notes on the weaving occupation seem pretty conclusive. He is listed as a weaver on his marriage cert to 2nd wife Elizabeth as well as in the 1861 census. Nan No I have not been able to find him till the 1861 census where he is living with Elizabeth On 10 July 2010 21:19, Jenny De Angelis <jennyda2@gmail.com> wrote: > HI Nan, > > Have you found Samuel Ross with any of his own family in the 1851 census? I > tried to find him anywhere in England, born about 1816 but found nothing > that looked like him at all. If you have found him in 1851 who is he with > and where? > > Regards > Jenny DeAngelis > Spain. > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I will have to buy a couple of certificates to find out for sure. I have tried contacting the fellow descended from samuel Walter Ross to see if he has that birth certificate beore I spend the money. This is a curly one, isn't it.. I am still hoping to find out what a Fringe & Gaup weaver is. Hopefully someone here may have heard of it. regards, nan On 10 July 2010 17:36, Anne Chambers <anne.chambers@bigpond.com> wrote: > Oops - not Charlotte, Sarah Ann > > Anne Chambers wrote: > > Samuel Walter must be Elizabeth Adelaide's child, not Charlotte's - the > banns for Samuel& Elizabeth were > > published on 29th August, 5th and 12th September 1852 > > > > Anne > > South Australia > > >

I think it may be Fringe and Guafs (i.e. guass) weaver, in which case, maybe gauze weaver http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/227303/gauze-weave Anne Richard Bailey wrote: > I will have to buy a couple of certificates to find out for sure. I have > tried contacting the fellow descended from samuel Walter Ross to see if he > has that birth certificate beore I spend the money. This is a curly one, > isn't it.. > > I am still hoping to find out what a Fringe& Gaup weaver is. Hopefully > someone here may have heard of it. > > regards, > nan > >

I did that when I found the marriage this morning and sent the details to the list Anne South Australia Jenny De Angelis wrote: = > > If you find the entry you may be able to add an alternative spelling to Sarah's surname, I am not sure on > that point. That might help others looking for the same marriage.

Hi Pat Do you see any "test" messages in the archives I don't see any so suspect you are getting them direct and not through the list Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I keep getting messages that say "test" with strange answers...what > test? > > > I am searching for family in Middlesex 1891-1911 > > Carmody, Patrick born approx. 1840-50) Kilbrin Ireland. > wife Nora(h) b. W. Ham, and several children. > Hoping to find a descendent of their 10-11 children.

Hello Listers, Very good news I have for those who helped me with the GEORGE EARLE family who were winecoopers and wine merchants who had the address 3 Great St. Thomas Apostle. There is a George Earle burial record 29 Sep 1836 in St Thomas Southwark who's abode was St Thomas Apostle Hospital. He died at the age of 36. I think this was the father of THOMAS HOWELL EARLE baptized at St Michael Queenhithe on 25 Mar 1832. Thomas's mother was Eliza. For Ann Chambers who help me a lot and who I steered in the wrong direction by finding a George and Eliza Earle in 1841 who was a winecooper and had a Thomas H. Earle son, I can now say I do not believe that that George was my Thomas Earle's father. You had mentioned George was a labourer on Thomas's marriage certificate. You had found a bankruptcy notice in the Times in 1831 for a George and Charles wine merchants. I figure you are right about George Earl marrying ELIZABETH HOWELL on 24 Feb 1821 St Mary, Lambeth, Surrey even though we have Thomas giving the name ELIZABETH TANNER as his mother's maiden name on his next marriage record here in Canada after his first wife dies. I think Thomas's mother Elizabeth (nee Howell) Earle may have remarried after her husband George's death at age 36 in the above paragraph. Thomas may remember his mother as Tanner only because he was five years of age at the time of George's death and used her second marriage name as her maiden name no! t knowing what it was. I could not find a Thomas Howell Earle and Mary Ann Tullett on the 1851 census but did find who I think is them with a daughter Eliza Rose in 1851 in Bloomington with the surname Howell on Bloomsbury HO107/1507 page 46. We know that Thomas was a policeman from his marriage record 09 Feb1850 Clerkenwell Parish, London, and his father was George. I do not know why he would be going with an alias Howell but for sure he had a daughter ELIZA ROSE EARL who is buried in Canada with her parents as Rose Eliza Howard. Maybe Thomas did not want people to known his wife had been 8 months pregnant when they married. Eliza Rose Earl was born 2 Apr 1850 St Marylebone, Holy Trinity, Marylebone Road, Westminster, Middlesex and her father Thomas was a police office like on his marriage certificate. Marylebone is very close to were I found the Thomas Howell with Mary Ann and the one year old Eliza Rose. I never found Thomas on the 1861 census but did find him and his wife owned a pub in Plumbstead in 1866 before they immigrated to Canada in 1869 on the Medway. I found them on http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18660108-name-135&div=t18660108-174#highlight The Volunteer Public House - 130 Plumstead High Street. On the London Archives I read that 10% of police in London in the 1850's were actually from London. There were about 5000 in total. The new boss didn't want local people being hired and he may have got rid of them hence Thomas's change in occupation. I have Thomas and Mary Ann Earl's daughter Adelaide Louise Earl certified copy of entry to birth 18 December 1864 village of Plumbstead, father Thomas Earl beershop Keeper and mother Mary Ann Tullett. I have Thomas and Mary Ann Earl's marriage record 09 Feb1850 Clerkenwell Parish, London, Eng What I do not have is anything that connects Thomas Earl to his father George Earle on a census because of the early death of George in 1836. There really isn't anything to say our Thomas in Plumbstead is the Thomas Howell Earl baptized in London except for the closeness of Mary Ann Tullett's parents James and Sophia in Pariish of Pancras along with Thomas and Mary's daughter Clara's baptism in Pariish of Pancras in 1853 which says her father was a policeman. The fact that there is a Thomas Howell and Mary Ann with a daughter Eliza Rose just south of Pancras and who's father is a policeman is very suspicious. Does anyone have any ideas what I should look for to connect the Thomas and George generation? I do not know where to go from here. All ideas welcome. Thank you, Marcia Earl Canada

Oops - not Charlotte, Sarah Ann Anne Chambers wrote: > Samuel Walter must be Elizabeth Adelaide's child, not Charlotte's - the banns for Samuel& Elizabeth were > published on 29th August, 5th and 12th September 1852 > > Anne > South Australia > > Richard Bailey wrote: >> I am searching for the marriage of Samuel Ross b c 1815 and Sarah Ann >> Godfrey bc 1830. She was Samuels first wife and had died by about 1853 - 55, >> after having two children, >> Maria in about 1852 St Giles and >> Samuel Walter in 1853 Clerkenwell >> >> I cannot find her death either, but I do have the certificate for his >> marriage to my G G Grandmother Elizabeth Adelaide Godfrey, Sarah's cousin. > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The marriage of Samuel and Elizabeth was at the Parish Church St. Giles in the Fields Middlesex 3 June 1854, with witnesses being John Godfrey and W Taylor. the curate was Henry A. Digou ( I think) it is hard to read his writing That could well be my Samuels baptism, but what does the Aston: pat Maria Bethia Ross mean? I presume he was born 31 July and bapt 5 Aug 1814 Nan On 10 July 2010 16:02, Anne Chambers <anne.chambers@bigpond.com> wrote: > It's the only Ross/Godfrey marriage I could find on Ancestry, apart from > Samuel & Elizabeth's. It's also in > the IGI. > > It's also very strange that S & E's banns were first published in 1852 at > St Mary Lambeth but they didn't > marry until 1854 - what church is shown on the marriage certificate ? > Possibly Sarah Ann was still alive in > 1852 and someone forbade the banns, so they had to wait until she > died...and in the meantime, Samuel Walter > was born. I can't find any of them under either surname in the 1851 census > > This could be Samuel's baptism: > The Franciscan Register 1814 > St Peter's Birmingham > Samuel fs Samuelis & Mariae Ross, Aston: pat Maria Bethia Ross nat 31 July > 5 Aug > > I have subs to Ancestry, Findmypast and Thegenealogist - I find that covers > just about everything.. > > Anne > > Richard Bailey wrote: > > Hi Anne, > > > > Do you feel that this is not my Samuel Ross then? I am unsure about it > with > > the different middle names and the early date. They would have been > married > > a long time before they had children then. > > > > Nan > > > > On 10 July 2010 14:17, Anne Chambers<anne.chambers@bigpond.com> wrote: > > > >> No - before 1837, ages of bride and groom and parents' details were not > >> given on marriage entries. > >> It's definitely Samuel Robert not Samuel Bennett too - the image is > quite > >> clear. > >> Anne > >> > >> Richard Bailey wrote: > >>> Hi Anne, > >>> > >>> This marriage does seem a bit too early Does the transcription give any > >>> parents names and ages of the bride& groom? My Samuel Bennett Ross > was > >> born > >>> in Birmingham about 1815, to *I think* Samuel and Maria Ross. His > father > >> was > >>> definiltly Samuel Ross gunmaker on his second marriage certificate. > >>> > >>> Nan > >>> > >>> On 10 July 2010 11:46, Anne Chambers<anne.chambers@bigpond.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> this marriage is much too early but it's the only Samuel Ross/Sarah > Ann > >>>> Godfrey one on the LMA database (she > >>>> is transcribed as Godpey) > >>>> > >>>> Samuel Robert Ross 14 Apr 1835 Sarah Ann Godfrey > >> St > >>>> Pancras Parish Church > >>>> witnesses James Duncan, Mary Weathercott > >>>> > >>>> Where did you get the 1830 birthdate for Sarah Ann from ? > >>>> > >>>> Anne > >>>> South Australia > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Aston is part of Birmingham, so that must be their address. pat Maria Bethia Ross, I take to mean she's the godmother, although I would have expected it to be sp (sponsores) - possibly patrones The full transcribed text is here - Ancestry has the printed image http://www.archive.org/stream/warwickshirepari02phil/warwickshirepari02phil_djvu.txt you'll have to do a search on the page, it's right at the bottom. Anne Richard Bailey wrote: > The marriage of Samuel and Elizabeth was at the Parish Church St. Giles in > the Fields Middlesex 3 June 1854, with witnesses being John Godfrey and W > Taylor. the curate was Henry A. Digou ( I think) it is hard to read his > writing > > That could well be my Samuels baptism, but what does the Aston: pat Maria > Bethia Ross mean? I presume he was born 31 July and bapt 5 Aug 1814 > > Nan > > On 10 July 2010 16:02, Anne Chambers<anne.chambers@bigpond.com> wrote: > >> It's the only Ross/Godfrey marriage I could find on Ancestry, apart from >> Samuel& Elizabeth's. It's also in >> the IGI. >> >> It's also very strange that S& E's banns were first published in 1852 at >> St Mary Lambeth but they didn't >> marry until 1854 - what church is shown on the marriage certificate ? >> Possibly Sarah Ann was still alive in >> 1852 and someone forbade the banns, so they had to wait until she >> died...and in the meantime, Samuel Walter >> was born. I can't find any of them under either surname in the 1851 census >> >> This could be Samuel's baptism: >> The Franciscan Register 1814 >> St Peter's Birmingham >> Samuel fs Samuelis& Mariae Ross, Aston: pat Maria Bethia Ross nat 31 July >> 5 Aug >> >> I have subs to Ancestry, Findmypast and Thegenealogist - I find that covers >> just about everything.. >> >> Anne

It's the only Ross/Godfrey marriage I could find on Ancestry, apart from Samuel & Elizabeth's. It's also in the IGI. It's also very strange that S & E's banns were first published in 1852 at St Mary Lambeth but they didn't marry until 1854 - what church is shown on the marriage certificate ? Possibly Sarah Ann was still alive in 1852 and someone forbade the banns, so they had to wait until she died...and in the meantime, Samuel Walter was born. I can't find any of them under either surname in the 1851 census This could be Samuel's baptism: The Franciscan Register 1814 St Peter's Birmingham Samuel fs Samuelis & Mariae Ross, Aston: pat Maria Bethia Ross nat 31 July 5 Aug I have subs to Ancestry, Findmypast and Thegenealogist - I find that covers just about everything.. Anne Richard Bailey wrote: > Hi Anne, > > Do you feel that this is not my Samuel Ross then? I am unsure about it with > the different middle names and the early date. They would have been married > a long time before they had children then. > > Nan > > On 10 July 2010 14:17, Anne Chambers<anne.chambers@bigpond.com> wrote: > >> No - before 1837, ages of bride and groom and parents' details were not >> given on marriage entries. >> It's definitely Samuel Robert not Samuel Bennett too - the image is quite >> clear. >> Anne >> >> Richard Bailey wrote: >>> Hi Anne, >>> >>> This marriage does seem a bit too early Does the transcription give any >>> parents names and ages of the bride& groom? My Samuel Bennett Ross was >> born >>> in Birmingham about 1815, to *I think* Samuel and Maria Ross. His father >> was >>> definiltly Samuel Ross gunmaker on his second marriage certificate. >>> >>> Nan >>> >>> On 10 July 2010 11:46, Anne Chambers<anne.chambers@bigpond.com> wrote: >>> >>>> this marriage is much too early but it's the only Samuel Ross/Sarah Ann >>>> Godfrey one on the LMA database (she >>>> is transcribed as Godpey) >>>> >>>> Samuel Robert Ross 14 Apr 1835 Sarah Ann Godfrey >> St >>>> Pancras Parish Church >>>> witnesses James Duncan, Mary Weathercott >>>> >>>> Where did you get the 1830 birthdate for Sarah Ann from ? >>>> >>>> Anne >>>> South Australia

Hi Anne, Do you feel that this is not my Samuel Ross then? I am unsure about it with the different middle names and the early date. They would have been married a long time before they had children then. Nan On 10 July 2010 14:17, Anne Chambers <anne.chambers@bigpond.com> wrote: > No - before 1837, ages of bride and groom and parents' details were not > given on marriage entries. > It's definitely Samuel Robert not Samuel Bennett too - the image is quite > clear. > Anne > > Richard Bailey wrote: > > Hi Anne, > > > > This marriage does seem a bit too early Does the transcription give any > > parents names and ages of the bride& groom? My Samuel Bennett Ross was > born > > in Birmingham about 1815, to *I think* Samuel and Maria Ross. His father > was > > definiltly Samuel Ross gunmaker on his second marriage certificate. > > > > Nan > > > > On 10 July 2010 11:46, Anne Chambers<anne.chambers@bigpond.com> wrote: > > > >> this marriage is much too early but it's the only Samuel Ross/Sarah Ann > >> Godfrey one on the LMA database (she > >> is transcribed as Godpey) > >> > >> Samuel Robert Ross 14 Apr 1835 Sarah Ann Godfrey > St > >> Pancras Parish Church > >> witnesses James Duncan, Mary Weathercott > >> > >> Where did you get the 1830 birthdate for Sarah Ann from ? > >> > >> Anne > >> South Australia > >> > >> Richard Bailey wrote: > >>> I am searching for the marriage of Samuel Ross b c 1815 and Sarah Ann > >>> Godfrey bc 1830. She was Samuels first wife and had died by about 1853 > - > >> 55, > >>> after having two children, > >>> Maria in about 1852 St Giles and > >>> Samuel Walter in 1853 Clerkenwell > >> ************************************** > >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > >> superfluous old messages in replies. > >> > >> List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > ************************************** > > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I keep getting messages that say "test" with strange answers...what test? I am searching for family in Middlesex 1891-1911 Carmody, Patrick born approx. 1840-50) Kilbrin Ireland. wife Nora(h) b. W. Ham, and several children. Hoping to find a descendent of their 10-11 children.

Hi Anne, This marriage does seem a bit too early Does the transcription give any parents names and ages of the bride & groom? My Samuel Bennett Ross was born in Birmingham about 1815, to *I think* Samuel and Maria Ross. His father was definiltly Samuel Ross gunmaker on his second marriage certificate. Nan On 10 July 2010 11:46, Anne Chambers <anne.chambers@bigpond.com> wrote: > this marriage is much too early but it's the only Samuel Ross/Sarah Ann > Godfrey one on the LMA database (she > is transcribed as Godpey) > > Samuel Robert Ross 14 Apr 1835 Sarah Ann Godfrey St > Pancras Parish Church > witnesses James Duncan, Mary Weathercott > > Where did you get the 1830 birthdate for Sarah Ann from ? > > Anne > South Australia > > Richard Bailey wrote: > > I am searching for the marriage of Samuel Ross b c 1815 and Sarah Ann > > Godfrey bc 1830. She was Samuels first wife and had died by about 1853 - > 55, > > after having two children, > > Maria in about 1852 St Giles and > > Samuel Walter in 1853 Clerkenwell > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks so much Anne, The 1930 birth date for Sarah Ann Godfrey was given to me by a descendant of her son Samuel Walter Ross who went to Aust with my G.Grandfather. I have been searching for her marriage to Samuel Ross and I have been unable to find any mention of her in census or anything, but I did find a possible death for her in 1853 at St Giles London. It would be a good idea to buy Samuel Walters birth cert to know for sure, as I was told the two elder children you found are those of Samuel Bennett Ross & Sarah Ann Godfrey. It looks like they were baptised after Samuel married Elizabeth Godfrey as it is well after their births and she is named as the mother on their baptisms. If Elizabeth was their mother they were illegitimate. I have Samuel and Elizabeths marriage certificate. They were married on 3 June 1854 at St Giles in the Fields. Samuel Bennett Ross widower aged 38 and Elizabeth Adelaide Godfrey spinster aged 25. I also have my G Grandfather John Eyles Ross' birth cert. Samuel was born in Birmingham, so perhaps that is another avenue to persue. Thanks so much for your help and suggestions. Nan Maryborough Qld On 10 July 2010 11:29, Anne Chambers <anne.chambers@bigpond.com> wrote: > Here are the baptisms of the two elder children > > Samuel Walter Ross b 6 March 1853 Baptism 20 Aug 1865 > Samuel Bennett Ross, Fringe Weaver > Elizabeth Adelaide Ross 4 Chapel Street Holy Trinity, Grays Inn Road > Camden > > Maria Christiana Ross b 17 April 1851 Baptism 19 Nov 1869 > Samuel Bennett Ross, Weaver > Elizabeth Ross 47 Devonshire St St George the Martyr, Queen Square > Camden > > Her birth does not seem to be on the FreeBMD index - it might pay you to > get Samuel Walter's birth certificate > to check who his mother is. > Births Mar 1853 > Ross Samuel Walter Clerkenwell 1b 450 > > Anne > South Australia > > Richard Bailey wrote: > > I am searching for the marriage of Samuel Ross b c 1815 and Sarah Ann > > Godfrey bc 1830. She was Samuels first wife and had died by about 1853 - > 55, > > after having two children, > > Maria in about 1852 St Giles and > > Samuel Walter in 1853 Clerkenwell > > > > I cannot find her death either, but I do have the certificate for his > > marriage to my G G Grandmother Elizabeth Adelaide Godfrey, Sarah's > cousin. > > > > In the 1861 census, Samuel aged 46 and Elizabeth aged 30 are living at 3 > > Bloomsbury St St. Giles Bloomsbury, with > > Maria aged 9 born London St Andrews > > Samuel Walter aged 8 born London Clerkenwell, > > John Eyles ( my G Grandfather) aged 5 born London St Giles > > Alice aged 1 born London St George the Martyr > > > > Samuel was a Fringe and Gaup Weaver. Can anyone explain what a gaup > weaver > > is? I have searched and haven't been able to find any reference for that. > > What type of weaving was done in London? > > > > Samuel Walter and John Eyles Ross came out toMelbourne Australia on the > > Lucibelle arriving in Dec 1865 They were aged 12 and 10. I haven't been > able > > to find the circumstances for their coming to Australia alone at such an > > age. It was too early for the Bernardo scheme, but I presume it was > through > > some other benevolent society. > > > > I haven't found Samuels death either, but in the 1871 census, Elizabeth > is > > the Head of Household, with sons Arthur J Ross 8, Walter G Ross 5, > living > > at 49 Devonshire St St. George the Martyr. and by the 1881 census she was > a > > widow. She had remarried in 1872 to John Read and he died in 1877. > > > > If anyone could give me some clues on this family, or if you may be > > connected, I would love to hear from you. > > > > Kind regards, > > Nan Bailey > > Queensland Aust > > ************************************** > > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Samuel Walter must be Elizabeth Adelaide's child, not Charlotte's - the banns for Samuel & Elizabeth were published on 29th August, 5th and 12th September 1852 Anne South Australia Richard Bailey wrote: > I am searching for the marriage of Samuel Ross b c 1815 and Sarah Ann > Godfrey bc 1830. She was Samuels first wife and had died by about 1853 - 55, > after having two children, > Maria in about 1852 St Giles and > Samuel Walter in 1853 Clerkenwell > > I cannot find her death either, but I do have the certificate for his > marriage to my G G Grandmother Elizabeth Adelaide Godfrey, Sarah's cousin.

No - before 1837, ages of bride and groom and parents' details were not given on marriage entries. It's definitely Samuel Robert not Samuel Bennett too - the image is quite clear. Anne Richard Bailey wrote: > Hi Anne, > > This marriage does seem a bit too early Does the transcription give any > parents names and ages of the bride& groom? My Samuel Bennett Ross was born > in Birmingham about 1815, to *I think* Samuel and Maria Ross. His father was > definiltly Samuel Ross gunmaker on his second marriage certificate. > > Nan > > On 10 July 2010 11:46, Anne Chambers<anne.chambers@bigpond.com> wrote: > >> this marriage is much too early but it's the only Samuel Ross/Sarah Ann >> Godfrey one on the LMA database (she >> is transcribed as Godpey) >> >> Samuel Robert Ross 14 Apr 1835 Sarah Ann Godfrey St >> Pancras Parish Church >> witnesses James Duncan, Mary Weathercott >> >> Where did you get the 1830 birthdate for Sarah Ann from ? >> >> Anne >> South Australia >> >> Richard Bailey wrote: >>> I am searching for the marriage of Samuel Ross b c 1815 and Sarah Ann >>> Godfrey bc 1830. She was Samuels first wife and had died by about 1853 - >> 55, >>> after having two children, >>> Maria in about 1852 St Giles and >>> Samuel Walter in 1853 Clerkenwell >> ************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

HI Nan, Just to add a little more to your confusion ;-))) I found another baptism that might fit with the couple who married in 1835. Baptism St. Peter Saffron Hill, Camden, July 23rd. 1843 Ellen dau. Samuel and Sarah Ross no. 24 Greville Street fathers occ. Coach Maker. Born Oct. 3rd. 1837. Being noted as Coach Maker could mean that he was in the coach making trade and that would cover a few trades, Carpenters & Joiners, Wheelwrights, Upholsterers, maybe this last occupation included the making of the fringing for the upholstery. I know this is stretching it a bit but I thought I would point this entry out to you in case it becomes relevant later on. Have you found Samuel Ross with any of his own family in the 1851 census? I tried to find him anywhere in England, born about 1816 but found nothing that looked like him at all. If you have found him in 1851 who is he with and where? Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain.

Hi Nan, Two things. First, I found the marriage on the Ancestry site between Samuel Robert Ross & Sarah Ann Godfrey April 1834, though Ancestry have mis-transcribed Sarah's surname as Godpey, and put the year as 1835 in the index, the page does read a 1834 though. You will find the marriage in the LMA collection London, England Marriages & banns 1754-1921 on the Ancestry site. If you find the entry you may be able to add an alternative spelling to Sarah's surname, I am not sure on that point. That might help others looking for the same marriage. Secondly. I had a look at the 1861 entry for Samuel Ross and family. His occupation looks to me as though it could be "Fringe & Guip weaver" There seems to be a tiny dot over the middle couple of letters of Guip/Gaup. If it does read as Guip then maybe it is an abbreviation of Guippure. Maybe he wove a type of Guippure, as in Guippure lace. I doubt he was making actual Guippure lace as that would have been an occupation in itself and a very skilled one at that, made over a pattern attached to a lace pillow with the thread wound onto wooden bobbins. I make lace by hand as a hobby having learnt at classes about 30 years ago. One type of lace made in England was a Guippure type made in the Bedfordshire area of England, known in England as Bedfordshire lace. It is generally quite a thick lace, chunkier, compared to the finer point laces made in the Buckinghamshire area close by. Now of course it is all made by machine with hand made lace made only as a hobby, it is very time consuming to make. But maybe in the fringe and trimmings trade around London there was a type of braid that was called Guippure. Perhaps it was the braid that the Fringing was attached to. You know the sort of braid and fringing found on upholstered chairs etc. Some of that type of braid might be described at Guippure because that type of braid can be quite chunky stuff and woven with an open pattern in it. I remember that as a child one of my aunts worked at home making fringing, such as you might get as a trim on a lampshade. She made the tassles and attached them to a ready made braid. That braid would by that time have been made by machine but no doubt the braid was originally hand made. As I understand it there were a lot of silk weavers around the London area and it is likely that Samuel worked with silk threads to make his fringing etc. Hope this helps Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. I am searching for the marriage of Samuel Ross b c 1815 and Sarah Ann > Godfrey bc 1830. She was Samuels first wife and had died by about 1853 - > 55, > after having two children, >>> I cannot find her death either, but I do have the certificate for his > Samuel was a Fringe and Gaup Weaver. Can anyone explain what a gaup weaver > is? I have searched and haven't been able to find any reference for that. > What type of weaving was done in London?<<

This marriage entry appears on the Ancestry site in the London Metropolitan Archives collection, London, England , Marriage & Banns 1754-1921. They were married by Licence, he a bachelor she a spinster. John Maynard Oulton's surname is mis-transcribed in the index as Culton. But looking at the images of the entry the O of Oulton could be easily read as a capital C. I found the entry simply by searhching these Marriage and Banns for the name Henrietta Grace without adding anything else. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. <<>>From The Morning Post ( London, England ), Thursday, September 04, 1823; > Issue 16444. > > MARRIED. > At St. George's, Southwark, on the 2d inst., Mr. John Maynard OULTON , > only son of the Author of " The Sleepwalker ", "Frightened To Death ", > etc., > to Miss Henrietta , sixth daughter of Erasmus GRACE , Esq., of Doris > House, Kennington. >>