Glenys Petry wrote: > Thanks very much to Charani and Anne (and anyone else who has > replied since this email). > The information is extremeley helpful, I will be able to follow > this up thanks to you. > > Your lateral thinking skills are much better than mine! > > I certainly will be keeping busy following these up. YW :)) If you have births you can't find, especially by the period you're interested in, try putting in just the given name and the probably year of birth. If there are too many hits add a general location but try to avoid doing that as a child may not have been born where expected or claimed until or unless you have confirmation that the alleged place is correct. FreeBMD is excellent for that kind of search. A search like that will pick up any entries where the surname is misspelt, mangled, illegible or partially unreadable. Having twins or a child with an unusual given name is helpful too :)) Once the mother's maiden name started to be included and you are searching post 1940, Ancestry is useful for finding other children. Before then, you can use FreeBMD to find them as it will allow searches on the father's surname and the mother's maiden name. Another search method is to use an asterisk (*) before a given name in case a child was known by his/her middle name. That only works where the GRO indices actually give the middle name and not just an initial. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi Graham The Florence M(ary) born in Mortlake is out of the frame, I think, as her birth was registered in Q4 1875 in Richmond (correct district) and she is with her Mum and Dad in 1891 (father is William, a butcher and grocer). There is a death of a Florence Alice in St Saviour in Q2 1884. The index gives her age as 2 (too young to be the one born in 1879), but this may be due to an error when the original, hand-written indices were replaced (in the 1920s, I think) with printed versions. If you are going to lash out on a certificate, I would have thought that Mary Ann Eliza's death might be the one to get. If she died in, or soon after, childbirth, her cause of death may well say something to that effect. On the other hand, it may show that she had some other medical condition which would have made her bearing a child between marriage and death unlikely. Hope this helps Caroline > Hi all > > Just a little meditation upon a few findings, if I may. > > I recently found that my Mary Ann Eliza Bennett, bap. Dec 1850 St. > Margaret's Westminster, eldest dau of William John Bennett and Mary > Ann Bennett nee Pittway, married William Robert Pether at St. Luke's > Chelsea 28 Apr 1878. I find that she is deceased (March Qtr 1879) and > that in the 1891 census William is noted as widower with no children > living with him. William's father was Samuel and mother Marie and > while browsing around Ancestry.com I came across Mary Ann Eliza's > sister-in-law's (Pether) marriage two days prior to Mary Ann's > wedding, which got me thinking as it does - would there perhaps have > been a child born (hopefully), or a still-born, or whatever when Mary > Ann died during that March quarter of 1879? Well, there were several > Pether children born in the district who might have fitted this > situation and several also died the same year, but one I particularly > zoomed in on was Florence Alice, born (or shown to be born) September > quarter 1879 St. Saviours (just across the river). This would seem to > stretch the imagination a little far, but if the child was not > registered for a few months, well, just maybe? Hmmn. > > Anyway, following on this line of thought and wondering if any Pether > members of the family may have taken into their warming arms a child > without a mother I then came across a marriage of one James William > Nicholls to an Eliza Pether (Lambeth 1d 498) June quarter 1877. Okay, > so checking into the 1881 census one finds living at Richmond Surrey, > Barnes? High Street: RG11/848, one James Wm Nicholls and wife Eliza > with no children but one niece Florence M. Pether 5 years, scholar, > born Surrey Mortlake. Some considerable inconsistencies here, so one > wonders if the census is incorrect, or if it is correct, is it > worthwhile applying for the birth certificate of Florence A > Pether? Is she A or M? Born Mortlake or St. Saviour? Amazing > coincidence, whatever, and intriguing. (Just shows you how one can > get lost in genealogy!!!) If anyone has access to other records and > may find some clues, I certainly would be impressed. Of course, I am > hoping that a child from that Bennett/Pether married did survive > though have my doubts. There are so many that did not. > > Cheers > Graham > Melbourne > Oz > >

I have found births which may be my husband's WILSON family. Edward WILSON was baptised in St James, Westminster on 16 March 1814 and Elisa WILSON was baptised there on 18 September 1819. Both had parents Joseph and Ann who were living at Queen St, Chelsea at the time. Our Edward gave his birthplace as Fulham on census records and I gather this is an adjoining suburb. I would really like some assistance in discovering a marriage record for Joseph and Ann, other offspring and more about Elisa if possible please? Many thanks once again, Jan

Hi Glenys, Further to my posting yesterday, I am curious if it is Georgina Hinchcliff you are researching or Walter William Lockett. If it is Georgina, are you quite certain she married Walter William Lockett. According to FreeBMD it is possible she married John O'Connell in 1891. I did look for her under this name in the 1901 census and couldn't find her so I checked to see if John had died and a Georgina O'Connell had remarried . There are several deaths recorded for John O'Connell, between 1891 and 1901. There is also a marriage of Georgina O'Connell to Charles Henry Cutts in the Dec quarter1889 Marylebone 1a 1269. The 1901 does show this couple living in North West Fullham with a one year old daughter Dorothy Grace. This Georgina is shown born London, Marylebone, 1880. If it is Walter William Lockett you are more interested in I may be able to help as the one born 30 Apr 1873 to Thomas Michael Lockett and Sophia Bewsy was my great uncle. Good Luck, Jack

Hi Heather, This isn't in reply to your query, but my great great great grandmother was Elizabeth Randall/Randell born 1773 and baptised at St Brides Fleet Street. Did your Randall family happen to be from around that area by any chance? Kind regards, Jon

Thanks very much to Charani and Anne (and anyone else who has replied since this email). The information is extremeley helpful, I will be able to follow this up thanks to you. Your lateral thinking skills are much better than mine! I certainly will be keeping busy following these up. Glenys      4.  LOCKETT -  BDM and census help please- (Glenys Petry)   5. Re:  LOCKETT -  BDM and census help please- (Charani)   6. Re:  LOCKETT -  BDM and census help please- (Anne Chambers)

I have traced William Thomas Randall (born 1849 Pimlico) to 1922. In 1901 he was living with his wife and children in Brooklands Street Kennington, Lambeth when his wife died leaving 9 children who either went to work or stayed with a relative in Norwood. I don't know where he lived after 1901, he started off as a wheelwright in Pimlico and was sometimes quoted as a driller/riveter or stoker. After 1913, I found he was in and out of The Lambeth Infirmary. When this closed he was transferred to Bow Institution in 1920 where he was said to have no friends. He was discharged a few months later in August 1920 and then readmitted in January 1922 for 4 days being discharged on 14th January 1922. All I know is that in 1913 one of his sons when entering the army gave him as a contact. When he was admitted to the Bow Institution it stated that he had come from a Salvation Army Shelter which was probably somewhere nearby I imagine. Can anyone please tell me what these shelters were about? Could he have been living there for a period or was it just for odd nights? Also I have no idea why he was at these infirmaries and institutions- ill health, no work etc? Is there any way of finding out? We do not know when he died, there are many with the name William Randall and we do not know where he was living, also none of the death ages seem to fit. It seems very sad after having a family of 9 children to have ended up this way. The oldest daughter was 23 in 1901 and one would have thought either she or her brothers and sisters would have stayed with him! I have no living contacts now who can help. I do hope someone can give me some help as to where to search next to find out more about him. Heather Smith

Hi John I assume you are in the UK ? (as you say emigrated to the USA) If so check your local library, many of which have Ancestry subscriptions, it means using it in the Library but you can do a lot of leg work using the indexes for potential hits and making a list to get in the library Many also have access to the Newspaper databases, often with home access, that can be very entertaining :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Thanks for your email. That's exactly what I was planning with Ancestry - > to > go for a monthly account. When I had a year's subscription, I used it > quite > a bit for the first two months and never for the rest of the year. Now I > could do with it again. > > It's difficult for me to get to Kew but not impossible so I'll see what I > can work out. > > Regards, > > John

Hello Charani, Thanks for your email. That's exactly what I was planning with Ancestry - to go for a monthly account. When I had a year's subscription, I used it quite a bit for the first two months and never for the rest of the year. Now I could do with it again. It's difficult for me to get to Kew but not impossible so I'll see what I can work out. Regards, John -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: 22 July 2010 17:41 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] Help with emigration to the USA - NEWPORT John Newport wrote: > I was a member of Ancestry until a few months ago so will have to consider > re-joining. If finding the cost of an annual subscription is too much, try taking out a monthly sub finding all you currently need/want, then unsubbing again until you have some more information you want, then take out another month. I've found that's the best way since I have a full sub to FMP. > Until I join Ancestry, I don't think there's anywhere else I can view the > 1911 census but that I will do, later. Ancestry don't have the 1911 yet. They've announced they have the summary books but they are totally different from previous censuses. However, if you are able to get to the National Archives at Kew, you can search it there, free of charge. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3021 - Release Date: 07/22/10 07:36:00

John Newport wrote: > I was a member of Ancestry until a few months ago so will have to consider > re-joining. If finding the cost of an annual subscription is too much, try taking out a monthly sub finding all you currently need/want, then unsubbing again until you have some more information you want, then take out another month. I've found that's the best way since I have a full sub to FMP. > Until I join Ancestry, I don't think there's anywhere else I can view the > 1911 census but that I will do, later. Ancestry don't have the 1911 yet. They've announced they have the summary books but they are totally different from previous censuses. However, if you are able to get to the National Archives at Kew, you can search it there, free of charge. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

I'm not sure if you do have the right family in 1901 - the ages should be nearly the same, not 5 years difference, also 'Harry' is a big stretch from 'Walter William'. He was 'Walter' in 1891. It could, of courde, be an enumerator's error. 1891 census Class: RG12; Piece: 218; Folio 181; Page 23 56 Red Lion St, Holborn Thomas Lockett 67 Tailor b Paddington Sophia Lockett 52 Tailoress b Pancras Walter Lockett 17 Paper Warehouseman b Pancras John Lockett 15 Blacking Folder Ink b Pancras Thomas Sharman 18 borader Blacking Folder b Pancras Births Sep 1874 Hinchcliff Georgina St. Giles 1b 577 Walter William Lockett born 30 April 1873 Baptism 30 May 1874 Thomas Michael Lockett, Sophia Lockett St John the Evangelist, Red Lion Square Camden Deaths Mar 1907 LOCKETT Walter William 33 Pancras 1b 41 which fits the above baptism I think it would pay you to get the marriage certificate to see who Walter William's parents were. Anne South Australia Glenys Petry wrote: > Hello > I posted this query early in the month to the London list, but had no replies so > I am hoping there may be SKS on this list who can help. > > > Georgina HINCHCLIFF/HINCHCLIFFE born c1875 St Giles Middlesex > Marrried Walter William LOCKETT (Free BMD Sep qtr 1891, Holborn, Middlesex) > 1881 census Family Search - Georgina is age 6, living at 51 Drury Lane (RG11 > 0329/77), Born St Giles(living with her mother Emma HINCHCLIFF) > > 1891 - cannot find Georgina on the census index > > Thanks to the free Findmypast offer recently I found the following: > > 1901 - There is this family, which, I think is them - (although I could have > the wrong family) > Harry LOCKETT, - age 35, born London (occupation illegible) > Georgina LOCKETT - age 30 (born city of London) > Nellie LOCKETT - age 10 born Islington > Grace L LOCKETT - age 8 - born Marylebone > Harry G LOCKETT - age 6 - Born Marylebone > Robert C LOCKETT - age 1, born Islington > > living at 1 St Clement Street, Islington, Barnsbury, RG 13/180 -0449 > (I am sorry, if I do not have all the reference numbers on the printout.) > > 1911 census (RG14-00-8-62-00862-0137-03 living at 53 Georges Road, Islington N. > Annie LOCKETT age 37, ( (she states she has been married 19 years, 13 children > born, 5 still alive. - (although I count 6 children) > > - Widow, occ. Cigar maker, born St Giles > Caroline LOCKETT age 12 born Bloomsbury > Lucy LOCKETT - 16 born Newington > Bessie LOCKETT - age 18 born Bloomsbury > Ada LOCKETT - age 17 born Finsbury > May LOCKETT age 3 born Finsbury > Georgina LOCKETT aged 3 (twins?), born Finsbury. > > My problem is, that I cannot find ANY of these childrens births on Free BMD.!!, > to enable me to follow them to marriages etc. > and, as there are so many daughters, there are potentially quite a few new > surnamess to add to the family tree. > (I have rechecked Free BMD with the recent update but still no luck). > > > I did find a death of Walter William LOCKETT on FreeBMD Mar Qtr 1907, aged 33, > Pancras. > But that age does not fit in with his age on the 1901 census. (35) > > If anyone can help in anyway, finding one or more of the children, between 1891 > and 1907. > > > Glenys > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Caroline, Thanks for your email. I've just said to Katie that I didn't know where I could see the 1911 census except on Ancestry but now I know about 'find-my-past' Thanks Caroline - it's only fun now I've found something after all these years! Thanks for your offer of help. I really am grateful! Kinest regards, John -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Caroline Bradford Sent: 22 July 2010 14:17 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] Help with emigration to the USA Hi John The family are quite straightforwardly traceable before and after their emigration to the USA, using a combination of the 1911 census (available on pay per view at www.findmypast.com), the civil registration indices (via www.freebmd.org.uk) and Ancestry's collection of immigration records and US censuses. I am happy to offer concrete information, but I hesitate to spoil your fun! Contact me off list if you would like further pointers. Best wishes Caroline > > William and Mary Ann NEWPORT, emigrated, with their family, to the USA > sometime after the 1901 census and before 1931. Is it possible to find > when > they emigrated knowing only the names of the family members and their > ages > (from the 1901 census)? They were living, I believe, in Hampstead but I > have > no idea where they would have left from or where they would have > arrived in > the States. > > The task sounds impossible to me but I've been surprised in the past > so, I > thought, someone may know of a way. I don't know where to start. > > John > ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3021 - Release Date: 07/22/10 07:36:00

Hi Katie, This is incredible! I'm so grateful to you all. So, he came home in 1926, that's interesting. He was at his mother's funeral, in Hampstead, in 1931. His mother (my great grandmother) had been living in the village of Hooe, in East Sussex, where she died. The local East Sussex newspaper printed, after his name, the letters 'USA' so I assumed he'd just come home for that but it seems that I was wrong. I was a member of Ancestry until a few months ago so will have to consider re-joining. >From the manifest that Suz sent me, the ship was the 'S. S. Scotian' so I shall investigate that further. Yes, Victor was one of their children, born in Hampstead. Until I join Ancestry, I don't think there's anywhere else I can view the 1911 census but that I will do, later. Thanks so very much, once again, Kindest regards, John -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Katie de Haan Sent: 22 July 2010 14:40 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] Help with emigration to the USA - NEWPORT Hello John You may be lucky and find something. It is indeed often hard with some names to know whether they are definitely your guy, but I did once find a whole family of ancestors that could not have been coincidence together. It might be worth your while consulting sites like Ancestry. Regarding your NEWPORTs, I haven't seen the actual emigration ship or date and it remains to be seen whether that turns up, but I did see what looks like a visit they made back 'home' from the US in 1926. William Newport, Mary Newport, Victor Newport and Eva Newport arrived on the Cunard Caronia at Plymouth England from New York around 31 July/2nd August 1926. They gave their previous country of residence as the USA and their address in the UK 1926 as 25 Crosby/Gresby/Eresby Road, London NW, hard to read. At first I thought the names might be coincidental, but from the 1901 census return I see that William Newport and Mary living in Hampstead did indeed have a son Victor the approximately the right age. And William's occupation seems to tie in as well, in the wood carving branch. So at least you can narrow their departure date down a few years. And with the information just come in from the 1930 census, that takes you further. Have you seen them in the 1911 census in England? HTH Katie de Haan The Netherlands -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Newport Sent: donderdag 22 juli 2010 14:33 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDX] Help with emigration to the USA William and Mary Ann NEWPORT, emigrated, with their family, to the USA sometime after the 1901 census and before 1931. Is it possible to find when they emigrated knowing only the names of the family members and their ages (from the 1901 census)? They were living, I believe, in Hampstead but I have no idea where they would have left from or where they would have arrived in the States. The task sounds impossible to me but I've been surprised in the past so, I thought, someone may know of a way. I don't know where to start. John ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3021 - Release Date: 07/22/10 07:36:00

Suz!!!! Wonderful!!! I asked but didn't really expect anyone to be able to help me - except with a few suggestions, perhaps. Yes, he was born in 1869 and he was a wood carver! On top of that, his brother was my grandfather, John James Newport, of Caritas Villa, in the village of Hooe, in East Sussex - just as it says in the column headed 'nearest relative' That's brilliant! I can't believe it! There aren't enough exclamation marks to show how pleased, and how grateful, I am! Well, there's another one! Some of his children are there but the others must have stayed behind, in London, where they, I think, were living. Thanks for your offer of further help - I just may take you up on that - but not for a while! Just one thing the three attachments - the 1930 census isn't a census but is the same as the 'border crossing, which is the 'manifest of alien passengers'. I don't understand what the third item is as the computer can't or won't open it. Sorry to seem to be complaining - I'm not, honest! Kindest regards, John -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Ashton Sent: 22 July 2010 14:34 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] Help with emigration to the USA John, I found William and Mary Ann (assuming William is born 1869 and is a wood carver) on the 1930 census. It says they immigrated in 1920. Looks like they went to Canada first and then sailed to US. Name: William Newport Arrival Date: 29 Jun 1920 Age: 51 years 2 months Birth Date: abt 1869 Birth Country: England Gender: Male Race/Nationality: English Ship Name: Scotian Port of Arrival: Quebec, Canada Port of Departure: London, England >From the 1930 US census Name: William Newport Home in 1930: Richmond, Richmond, New York Age: 61 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Birthplace: England Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's name: Mary Any Race: White Household Members: Name Age William Newport 61 Mary Any Newport 60 Edith M Bille 33 Madge Bille 10 Olive M Newport 19 Edith is listed as a daughter and is divorced and Madge is her daughter. Hope this helps. Suz Ashton Dearborn, MI USA On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 8:33 AM, John Newport <john.newport1@ntlworld.com> wrote: > William and Mary Ann NEWPORT, emigrated, with their family, to the USA > sometime after the 1901 census and before 1931. Is it possible to find when > they emigrated knowing only the names of the family members and their ages > (from the 1901 census)? They were living, I believe, in Hampstead but I have > no idea where they would have left from or where they would have arrived in > the States. > > The task sounds impossible to me but I've been surprised in the past so, I > thought, someone may know of a way. I don't know where to start. > > John > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3021 - Release Date: 07/22/10 07:36:00

Hello John You may be lucky and find something. It is indeed often hard with some names to know whether they are definitely your guy, but I did once find a whole family of ancestors that could not have been coincidence together. It might be worth your while consulting sites like Ancestry. Regarding your NEWPORTs, I haven't seen the actual emigration ship or date and it remains to be seen whether that turns up, but I did see what looks like a visit they made back 'home' from the US in 1926. William Newport, Mary Newport, Victor Newport and Eva Newport arrived on the Cunard Caronia at Plymouth England from New York around 31 July/2nd August 1926. They gave their previous country of residence as the USA and their address in the UK 1926 as 25 Crosby/Gresby/Eresby Road, London NW, hard to read. At first I thought the names might be coincidental, but from the 1901 census return I see that William Newport and Mary living in Hampstead did indeed have a son Victor the approximately the right age. And William's occupation seems to tie in as well, in the wood carving branch. So at least you can narrow their departure date down a few years. And with the information just come in from the 1930 census, that takes you further. Have you seen them in the 1911 census in England? HTH Katie de Haan The Netherlands -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Newport Sent: donderdag 22 juli 2010 14:33 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDX] Help with emigration to the USA William and Mary Ann NEWPORT, emigrated, with their family, to the USA sometime after the 1901 census and before 1931. Is it possible to find when they emigrated knowing only the names of the family members and their ages (from the 1901 census)? They were living, I believe, in Hampstead but I have no idea where they would have left from or where they would have arrived in the States. The task sounds impossible to me but I've been surprised in the past so, I thought, someone may know of a way. I don't know where to start. John ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John The family are quite straightforwardly traceable before and after their emigration to the USA, using a combination of the 1911 census (available on pay per view at www.findmypast.com), the civil registration indices (via www.freebmd.org.uk) and Ancestry's collection of immigration records and US censuses. I am happy to offer concrete information, but I hesitate to spoil your fun! Contact me off list if you would like further pointers. Best wishes Caroline > > William and Mary Ann NEWPORT, emigrated, with their family, to the USA > sometime after the 1901 census and before 1931. Is it possible to find > when > they emigrated knowing only the names of the family members and their > ages > (from the 1901 census)? They were living, I believe, in Hampstead but I > have > no idea where they would have left from or where they would have > arrived in > the States. > > The task sounds impossible to me but I've been surprised in the past > so, I > thought, someone may know of a way. I don't know where to start. > > John >

William and Mary Ann NEWPORT, emigrated, with their family, to the USA sometime after the 1901 census and before 1931. Is it possible to find when they emigrated knowing only the names of the family members and their ages (from the 1901 census)? They were living, I believe, in Hampstead but I have no idea where they would have left from or where they would have arrived in the States. The task sounds impossible to me but I've been surprised in the past so, I thought, someone may know of a way. I don't know where to start. John

Seeking contact with descendants of Thomas RENEW b: c1771 West Smithfield, Middlesex, England d: c1850 England. Thomas married Ana VANDERSHALL 25 Sep 1790. Thomas was the son of Timothy Francis RENEW b: 16 Apr 1750 in Cripplegate,London, England & Mary Anne Elizabeth JACKSON b: 1746 in 36 Barth Ct. W. Smith Rd. She was the d/o James JACKSON & Mary PRICE. I am a descendant of Thomas' brother Timothy Nicholas Renew who came to America in 1818 with his family. Would love to make contact with family who remained in England. Thanks for any possible information on this family. Sandra Wyman

John, I found William and Mary Ann (assuming William is born 1869 and is a wood carver) on the 1930 census. It says they immigrated in 1920. Looks like they went to Canada first and then sailed to US. Name: William Newport Arrival Date: 29 Jun 1920 Age: 51 years 2 months Birth Date: abt 1869 Birth Country: England Gender: Male Race/Nationality: English Ship Name: Scotian Port of Arrival: Quebec, Canada Port of Departure: London, England >From the 1930 US census Name: William Newport Home in 1930: Richmond, Richmond, New York Age: 61 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Birthplace: England Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's name: Mary Any Race: White Household Members: Name Age William Newport 61 Mary Any Newport 60 Edith M Bille 33 Madge Bille 10 Olive M Newport 19 Edith is listed as a daughter and is divorced and Madge is her daughter. Hope this helps. Suz Ashton Dearborn, MI USA On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 8:33 AM, John Newport <john.newport1@ntlworld.com> wrote: > William and Mary Ann NEWPORT, emigrated, with their family, to the USA > sometime after the 1901 census and before 1931. Is it possible to find when > they emigrated knowing only the names of the family members and their ages > (from the 1901 census)? They were living, I believe, in Hampstead but I have > no idea where they would have left from or where they would have arrived in > the States. > > The task sounds impossible to me but I've been surprised in the past so, I > thought, someone may know of a way. I don't know where to start. > > John > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Glenys Petry wrote: > I posted this query early in the month to the London list, but had no replies so > I am hoping there may be SKS on this list who can help. > > Georgina HINCHCLIFF/HINCHCLIFFE born c1875 St Giles Middlesex > Marrried Walter William LOCKETT (Free BMD Sep qtr 1891, Holborn, Middlesex) > 1881 census Family Search - Georgina is age 6, living at 51 Drury Lane (RG11 > 0329/77), Born St Giles(living with her mother Emma HINCHCLIFF) > > 1891 - cannot find Georgina on the census index > > Thanks to the free Findmypast offer recently I found the following: > > 1901 - There is this family, which, I think is them - (although I could have > the wrong family) > Harry LOCKETT, - age 35, born London (occupation illegible) > Georgina LOCKETT - age 30 (born city of London) > Nellie LOCKETT - age 10 born Islington > Grace L LOCKETT - age 8 - born Marylebone > Harry G LOCKETT - age 6 - Born Marylebone > Robert C LOCKETT - age 1, born Islington Getting the birth certificate for one of them would confirm whether you had the correct family. > 1911 census (RG14-00-8-62-00862-0137-03 living at 53 Georges Road, Islington N. > Annie LOCKETT age 37, ( (she states she has been married 19 years, 13 children > born, 5 still alive. - (although I count 6 children) > > - Widow, occ. Cigar maker, born St Giles > Bessie LOCKETT - age 18 born Bloomsbury > Ada LOCKETT - age 17 born Finsbury > Lucy LOCKETT - 16 born Newington > Caroline LOCKETT age 12 born Bloomsbury > May LOCKETT age 3 born Finsbury > Georgina LOCKETT aged 3 (twins?), born Finsbury. > > My problem is, that I cannot find ANY of these childrens births on Free BMD.!!, > to enable me to follow them to marriages etc. The reason you can't find May and Georgina (who do appear to have been twins), would seem to be because their surname was SIDNEY, not LOCKETT. That would suggest they were the mother's children from another relationship. Births Dec 1907 SIDNEY Georgina Islington 1b 237 SIDNEY May Islington 1b 237 One of the children may have the her husband's by another relationship. I've not found Bessie (apart from an Elizabeth SIDNEY in Sunderland (!) in 1892. She may have been Elizabeth or Eliza and known as Bessie or she could have been anything else and had Bessie as a nickname. There were some Elizabeth LOCKETTs but none in London. No joy with Ada either although there are some Ada LOCKETTs, just not in London. The only Ada SIDNEY was in Bedminster in 1895. This is very likely to be the wonderfully named Lucy LOCKETT Births Jun 1895 Lockett Lucy Emily St. Saviour 1d 127 Newington was in St Saviour RD I think this is Caroline Births Mar 1899 Sidney Caroline Hinchcliff Holborn 1b 689 > I did find a death of Walter William LOCKETT on FreeBMD Mar Qtr 1907, aged 33, > Pancras. > But that age does not fit in with his age on the 1901 census. (35) People didn't have to produce proof of their age the way we do nowadays so a couple of years out is not significant. Also when the death was registered it would (obviously <G>) not have been done by the deceased but a grieving widow, a sibling or friend who may not have known exactly how old the deceased was. With an older person, a child may have done duty and not been sure of their parent's age. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk