Hi Glenys You won't find this marriage in the Ancestry/LMA collection, because the registers for St Anne's Soho are held at the Westminster Archive Centre, not by the LMA. The Westminster Archives will supply you with a copy of the entry for 4GBP (cheaper than the GRO, but only possible if, as in this case, you have the precise details already). Go to http://www.westminster.gov.uk/services/libraries/archives/family-history/ for information. Best wishes Caroline > I have found on the IGI a marriage reference for Alfred FIELD  to a > Mary Ann (or > Polly) SMITH. > According to the IGI it was 15 Jun 1873, St Anne Soho Westminster. > > > > I have tried searching the Ancestry LMA index  but I cannot find with > my limited > searching . > I am interested to confirm if Alfred's father was Edward, and if Alfred > was a > dentist  (as per 1881 census) RG11 0058/83 pg 46 > > There are no children in 1881 > Thanks > Glenys

Hi Julian I have had a lot of success tracing living relatives [and have been traced] through social networking sites such as Facebook. Maria

Julian wrote: > Living descendants tend to be hard to trace and finding their addresses > is an invasion of privacy. It is possible to obtain addresses via a > particular company who somehow finds out 'silent" numbers and addresses > in phone books but I am loath to use them. I think you are justified in being reluctant to use such people. Have you been in touch with the Salvation Army? The Sally Annie can trace families but you have to be related and if they do find members of the family, they won't pass on the details immediately. They will contact the family first and if they are willing to connect, then the Sally Annie will make the introductions. If the family don't want to know, you won't be any further forward than you are now. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Fascinated by Julian's story. I am in the same situation. I am too shy to approach the descendants of my grandfather. Any advice on how to do this would be appreciated. Julian might find a photo in a magazine published by the Institute of Chartered Accountants. Often done when people retire or receive a promotion I would have thought. Irene of Seattle

Hi Julien, I had a similar problem with my gt grandfather, had his birth certificate, census data from 1851 to 1881 then nothing. I knew that my grandfather had been in Liverpool and that my father had been born in Buckinghamshire so managed to find grandfather and family in 1901 on the census there. Gt grandfather - no sign at all. I then decided to see if my gt gt grandfather had left a Will when he died - he was a Master Draper so hoped that he had. I got a copy and, to my surprise, there wasn't any mention of my gt grandfather or his family but I did discover the whereabouts of three of his sisters from this. I suggest you try looking for Wills relating to the family - you may find clues as to where your elusive ancestor was! Gt grandfather finally turned up - I sent for a death certificate for someone who died in Hull - no family history of anyone living there but I had run out of ideas - yes, it was him, he was buried under an assumed name by the landlady of the boarding house he was living at. Why change of name? Haven't got a clue but at least I know where he was on the 1891 census and when he died now! Dot Dorothy Holden Dover Kent England There are three things that can never be retrieved- the spoken word, time past and the neglected opportunity I volunteer for the Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness website www.raogk.org

Greetings. I have found on the IGI a marriage reference for Alfred FIELD  to a Mary Ann (or Polly) SMITH. According to the IGI it was 15 Jun 1873, St Anne Soho Westminster. I have tried searching the Ancestry LMA index  but I cannot find with my limited searching . I am interested to confirm if Alfred's father was Edward, and if Alfred was a dentist  (as per 1881 census) RG11 0058/83 pg 46 There are no children in 1881 Thanks Glenys

The only thing I can think of is trying to find descendants of his siblings, maybe Margaret, Charlotte or Amy had children - there must be a family link somewhere, Jan > > > > Dear Fellow Listers, > > > > It is my hope that someone on the list who is familiar with Middlesex > > history can help me find some evidence to confirm the above allegation. > > Throughout her life my grandmother steadfastly maintained that the > > father of her only child, born out of wedlock, was a Middlesex man. > > He was a member of the ROBERTSON family who lived in Netherhall Gardens > > in Hampstead in the late 1800s. > > > > There is much circumstantial evidence to support the allegation and I > > have reason to believe that the father provided financial support for my > > father on the condition that he never be named publicly. The child was > > born in Belgium (I have the Birth Record) and he served in both World > > Wars in the Australian Army. > > > > Briefly, I have established that my grandfather, was born in Middlesex, > > lived there all his life and married and died there. > > > > His details are : > > > > Duncan Douglas ROBERTSON > > Born : 30.07.1864 at Tottenham, Middlesex (Birth Certificate) > > Attended "Haileybury" College in Hertford (College Records) > > Practised as a Chartered Accountant in London (Institute of Chartered > > Accountants) > > Married : 11.12.1913 to Gertrude Mary KNIGHT - (London Times Newspaper) > > - they had no children > > Died : 7.04.1926 in a London Hospital (Probate records) > > > > His father was James ROBERTSON, Superintendent of Railways Civil > > Engineering. > > His mother was Christina Alexis THOMSON > > His siblings were : James Robert b.1854 - A Civil Engineer > > John Russell Thomson b. 1856 - A > > Solicitor > > Stewart Scott b.1858 - A Colonial > > Outfitter > > Margaret Catherine b.1860 > > Charlotte Ellen/Helen b.1863 > > Amy Christina b.1867 > > All this information is based on census returns, official Certificates, > > and OPRs) > > > > In 2008 I had a 37marker Y-DNA test done and set out to find a male > > descendant of one of the Robertson men with whom I could compare results. > > Sadly, all male descendants were wiped out by WW1, so my DNA test was > > useless. > > What I am now seeking is a photograph of Duncan to see if there is any > > facial resemblance to my late father but, so far, I have had no success. > > I wondered if members of the Middlesex List have any suggestions on where > > I should look? As the family were centred in Hampstead for many years they > > must have figured in the various activities happening in that area in some > > way > > > > I will be most grateful if you are able to help me with this quest which I > > have pursued for over twelve years. > > Now in my late seventies, I would like to resolve the issue before I fall > > off my twig. > > > > Thanking you in anticipation, > > > > Julian Chester - Australia > > > > ************************************** > >

Hello Try these links... http://newspapers.bl.uk/blcs/ http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ http://www.naa.gov.au/ http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian" <linfai27@bigpond.com> To: "MIDDLESEX Mail List" <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: [MDX] My alleged grandfather. > Dear Fellow Listers, > > It is my hope that someone on the list who is familiar with Middlesex > history can help me find some evidence to confirm the above allegation. > Throughout her life my grandmother steadfastly maintained that the > father of her only child, born out of wedlock, was a Middlesex man. > He was a member of the ROBERTSON family who lived in Netherhall Gardens > in Hampstead in the late 1800s. > > There is much circumstantial evidence to support the allegation and I > have reason to believe that the father provided financial support for my > father on the condition that he never be named publicly. The child was > born in Belgium (I have the Birth Record) and he served in both World > Wars in the Australian Army. > > Briefly, I have established that my grandfather, was born in Middlesex, > lived there all his life and married and died there. > > His details are : > > Duncan Douglas ROBERTSON > Born : 30.07.1864 at Tottenham, Middlesex (Birth Certificate) > Attended "Haileybury" College in Hertford (College Records) > Practised as a Chartered Accountant in London (Institute of Chartered > Accountants) > Married : 11.12.1913 to Gertrude Mary KNIGHT - (London Times Newspaper) > - they had no children > Died : 7.04.1926 in a London Hospital (Probate records) > > His father was James ROBERTSON, Superintendent of Railways Civil > Engineering. > His mother was Christina Alexis THOMSON > His siblings were : James Robert b.1854 - A Civil Engineer > John Russell Thomson b. 1856 - A > Solicitor > Stewart Scott b.1858 - A Colonial > Outfitter > Margaret Catherine b.1860 > Charlotte Ellen/Helen b.1863 > Amy Christina b.1867 > All this information is based on census returns, official Certificates, > and OPRs) > > In 2008 I had a 37marker Y-DNA test done and set out to find a male > descendant of one of the Robertson men with whom I could compare results. > Sadly, all male descendants were wiped out by WW1, so my DNA test was > useless. > What I am now seeking is a photograph of Duncan to see if there is any > facial resemblance to my late father but, so far, I have had no success. > I wondered if members of the Middlesex List have any suggestions on where > I should look? As the family were centred in Hampstead for many years they > must have figured in the various activities happening in that area in some > way > > I will be most grateful if you are able to help me with this quest which I > have pursued for over twelve years. > Now in my late seventies, I would like to resolve the issue before I fall > off my twig. > > Thanking you in anticipation, > > Julian Chester - Australia > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Julian were there any photos in the war records.. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian" <linfai27@bigpond.com> To: "MIDDLESEX Mail List" <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: [MDX] My alleged grandfather. > Dear Fellow Listers, > > It is my hope that someone on the list who is familiar with Middlesex > history can help me find some evidence to confirm the above allegation. > Throughout her life my grandmother steadfastly maintained that the > father of her only child, born out of wedlock, was a Middlesex man. > He was a member of the ROBERTSON family who lived in Netherhall Gardens > in Hampstead in the late 1800s. > > There is much circumstantial evidence to support the allegation and I > have reason to believe that the father provided financial support for my > father on the condition that he never be named publicly. The child was > born in Belgium (I have the Birth Record) and he served in both World > Wars in the Australian Army. > > Briefly, I have established that my grandfather, was born in Middlesex, > lived there all his life and married and died there. > > His details are : > > Duncan Douglas ROBERTSON > Born : 30.07.1864 at Tottenham, Middlesex (Birth Certificate) > Attended "Haileybury" College in Hertford (College Records) > Practised as a Chartered Accountant in London (Institute of Chartered > Accountants) > Married : 11.12.1913 to Gertrude Mary KNIGHT - (London Times Newspaper) > - they had no children > Died : 7.04.1926 in a London Hospital (Probate records) > > His father was James ROBERTSON, Superintendent of Railways Civil > Engineering. > His mother was Christina Alexis THOMSON > His siblings were : James Robert b.1854 - A Civil Engineer > John Russell Thomson b. 1856 - A > Solicitor > Stewart Scott b.1858 - A Colonial > Outfitter > Margaret Catherine b.1860 > Charlotte Ellen/Helen b.1863 > Amy Christina b.1867 > All this information is based on census returns, official Certificates, > and OPRs) > > In 2008 I had a 37marker Y-DNA test done and set out to find a male > descendant of one of the Robertson men with whom I could compare results. > Sadly, all male descendants were wiped out by WW1, so my DNA test was > useless. > What I am now seeking is a photograph of Duncan to see if there is any > facial resemblance to my late father but, so far, I have had no success. > I wondered if members of the Middlesex List have any suggestions on where > I should look? As the family were centred in Hampstead for many years they > must have figured in the various activities happening in that area in some > way > > I will be most grateful if you are able to help me with this quest which I > have pursued for over twelve years. > Now in my late seventies, I would like to resolve the issue before I fall > off my twig. > > Thanking you in anticipation, > > Julian Chester - Australia > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Dear Fellow Listers, It is my hope that someone on the list who is familiar with Middlesex history can help me find some evidence to confirm the above allegation. Throughout her life my grandmother steadfastly maintained that the father of her only child, born out of wedlock, was a Middlesex man. He was a member of the ROBERTSON family who lived in Netherhall Gardens in Hampstead in the late 1800s. There is much circumstantial evidence to support the allegation and I have reason to believe that the father provided financial support for my father on the condition that he never be named publicly. The child was born in Belgium (I have the Birth Record) and he served in both World Wars in the Australian Army. Briefly, I have established that my grandfather, was born in Middlesex, lived there all his life and married and died there. His details are : Duncan Douglas ROBERTSON Born : 30.07.1864 at Tottenham, Middlesex (Birth Certificate) Attended "Haileybury" College in Hertford (College Records) Practised as a Chartered Accountant in London (Institute of Chartered Accountants) Married : 11.12.1913 to Gertrude Mary KNIGHT - (London Times Newspaper) - they had no children Died : 7.04.1926 in a London Hospital (Probate records) His father was James ROBERTSON, Superintendent of Railways Civil Engineering. His mother was Christina Alexis THOMSON His siblings were : James Robert b.1854 - A Civil Engineer John Russell Thomson b. 1856 - A Solicitor Stewart Scott b.1858 - A Colonial Outfitter Margaret Catherine b.1860 Charlotte Ellen/Helen b.1863 Amy Christina b.1867 All this information is based on census returns, official Certificates, and OPRs) In 2008 I had a 37marker Y-DNA test done and set out to find a male descendant of one of the Robertson men with whom I could compare results. Sadly, all male descendants were wiped out by WW1, so my DNA test was useless. What I am now seeking is a photograph of Duncan to see if there is any facial resemblance to my late father but, so far, I have had no success. I wondered if members of the Middlesex List have any suggestions on where I should look? As the family were centred in Hampstead for many years they must have figured in the various activities happening in that area in some way I will be most grateful if you are able to help me with this quest which I have pursued for over twelve years. Now in my late seventies, I would like to resolve the issue before I fall off my twig. Thanking you in anticipation, Julian Chester - Australia

Gday list i will be on holiday for the next 4 weeks Bert in Oz

Dear Judy, What a fascinating family line. I too have a family line which is both fascinating and infuriating. I have traced my main line back to 1766 in Brecknockshire but also have a family tree of 1500 starting just over the border in Herefordshire. I cannot place my family on this tree although I believe because the surname is unusual in both Counties that they are all related. I, like you, have traced back branches and have on some occasions managed to get them back on to the 1500 tree but my elusive ancestor has been foiled by the laziness of a Vicar of Glasbury who did not enter anything other than the fact that my ancestor had died and the number of his grave plot. Without having some idea of his age or where he was born its like looking for a needle in a haystack. I hope you will find the answer to your brick wall and be able to match him us with the French family. Its always nice to see things come together. Best wishes Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Jerkins" <bushnook@optusnet.com.au> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 2:41 AM Subject: [MDX] I have collated wrong info,muddled info up and only regret a little bit! > morning List > > I have read with interest most of the comments re incorrect information > and > muddled trees but still think my story is worth telling. In my case, the > muddling of information and the wrong paths my projects took makes what I > have today much more interesting. Although most of the information I have > gathered has turned out to be not relevant to my actual family, I am > grateful for the exercise. > > If you have time and are interested this is my tale: It might help others > tracking Alias surnames! > > I began in 1998, without a smidgen of info, to trace my Jerkins ancestry. > 6 > weeks later I had determined the origins were not USA and had found the > brick wall which I stared at for 18 months. Reluctantly, I purchased my > ggrandfather's marriage cert and traced the names of the witnesses (a > fabulous way to go sideways if you have not thought of it.) > > My ggrandfather's middle name was Courtoy, most unusual..... and there was > another Courtoy connection too among the witnesses.... so off I went > tracing > the Courtoy story, trying to identify my family's connection. I found > that > my grandfather's father was named as William Jerkins on records, but that > he > lived as William Courtoy. Why? I went off searching (for the next 20 > years) to discover conspiracies, enormous fortunes, intrigues and the most > amazing tales my fertile imagination could never have imagined. I used > every resource available, online mailing lists, libraries, archives, > purchased documents, found living people etc etc etc. > > Eventually I determined that my William Jerkins was probably a William > Courtoy living in hiding; but was he William b 1777 or William b 1817? > Census documents said he could have been either, but the younger man > supposedly died on Typhus in 1838... so I had to consider what I called > the > empty coffin scenario. No proof, but gee wizz it all fitted perfectly, > especially as I had taken the Courtoy family back to a villiage in France > 1614 and learnt that the original surname was not Courtoy, but Jacquinet - > which was phonetically the same as Jerkins. Oh yes, I was convinced. Not > happy, but ....... I was satisfied I had it right. > > I even wrote the family story up, Invisible Threads was huge; I circulated > it to as many as I could, even organised a mini family reunion in > Adelaide, > and then, just before I packed up the room and returned to the living, a > Courtoy cousin in London found a bombshell. The Tasmanian Archives had > digitised their records, among which he found William Jerkins, a convict > who > is not recorded on my convicts cd. William Jerkins went to Tasmania at > the > right time, he then went to Sth Aus at the right time. Reluctantly I had > to > concede I was intrigued. > > William Jerkins the convict is definately mine; he lived from the death of > his defacto wife 1851 until his death 1887 as the name of her deceased > brother in law - the younger William Courtoy. When he died he was > registered as Courtois (Courtoy) and when he was buried it was as Coulter > but the ages given at all times fit exactly with him being William Jerkins > the convict. Without knowing as much as I did, I may well have missed > him, > or worse, the irony of it all. > > By going down the wrong path I learnt to think way outside the square. I > uncovered the most amazing trails; I traced 9 of the 10 Courtoy children > born 1806-1826 in London, all the way to the living descendants of most > lines and made the most wonderful friendships. I learnt a lot about the > East India Co, the records that still exist and I even researched some of > the wealthiest families in England including the Earl St Vincents, as well > as Jewish and French trading families who were involved in coral, coffee > and > diamonds. I learnt about the plight of the box makers living in poverty > in > London, a Combe family who were members of the coast guard, but who > probably > originated as brewers in Scotland. I traced families in Georgia USA, > which > of course introduced me to the early settlements in and around Sylvester > Worth Co. > > Now that I actually know where my Jerkins man originated (Marylebone, > Middlesex London) I am back staring at the same brickwall I met in 1999. > This time however I am determined to pay for a researcher when I find what > I > want to extract ('if I find it' is more like it at the moment). > > My fingers are crossed that given time and records I may actually link the > Jacquinet family of Jussey France whose descendant lived as John Courtoy > in > Middlesex 1750-1818 to my Jerkins family of the same area of London but I > am > not holding my breath. Part of my research has been the answers but the > majority of it has been the puzzles and the amazing outcomes from what > began > as simple questions. > > I know I will get the truth eventually but I am no longer in a rush. I > need > more information to become available and if I have learnt anything it is > that patience is our greatest tool. The internet and online information > has > improved enormously in 20 years, I envy those who will benefit from these > advances in technology (and thank those who contribute it). > > I have been overwhelmed by the kindness of strangers internationally and > continue to be intrigued by the differences we each have in our heritage. > My > advice is 'if you go down the wrong path, pick up some of the info, > perhaps > it may actually fit in, eventually.' > > cheers Judy > researching Jerkins family - plasterers and painters of Mddx, but who has > also has a lot of info on the Courtoy / Jacquinet family of Jussey, Haute > Saone, England, USA and Australia and is happy to share. > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 985 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I have William James SMITH's marr cert that says he is a 31 yr old soldier, widower in 1916 (so I assume he was born about 1885) married in Swindon while in army but he was a true Londoner and story has it, was from Fulham. Cert also gives his father's name as William James - a dec'd tailor. The 'tailor' bit is the only thing that sets the family apart from many other Smiths I have found a Smith & Son tailors in 1908 directory at St John's Hill, Battersea and think this could possibly be them. I know he had a sister but do not know her name. I wonder if anyone else is interested in this family or can throw any light. Thanks for reading Jean in New Zealand

Thank you Nivard, once again you have come up with the goods. Thanks you I will take a look Regards Sheila NSW > Hi Sheila > > Have you tried death duties? > > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=107 > > And > > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=245 > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

In message <4C554264.4000803@bigpond.com>, Anne Chambers <anne.chambers@bigpond.com> writes >Mother's surname only came in after 1912 - no matter where you search ;) >And FreeBMD, which is catching up fast, will always be cheaper than >either Ancestry or FMP. > >Anne That's true for the national indexes, but the local ones at http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/ (which don't include MDX yet, but we can hope) do include mother's maiden name for some regions - about 50% based on a quick sample search that I just made for PYE births in 1875. -- Arthur

At 07:46 PM 1/08/2010, Anne wrote: >Mother's surname only came in after 1912 - no matter where you search ;) >And FreeBMD, which is catching up fast, will always be cheaper than >either Ancestry or FMP. Yes, I knew that, but I don't suppose others did. Thanks Anne Cheers Graham

Mother's surname only came in after 1912 - no matter where you search ;) And FreeBMD, which is catching up fast, will always be cheaper than either Ancestry or FMP. Anne South Australia (freezing just over the border) Graham Price wrote: > > I just noticed that FMP have altered things with a new births > 1837-2006 searching by surname, first name and mother's name (suppose > Ancestry has much the same?). Anyway, very useful, but I see that you > still have to use a very wide path to get results. Things are getting > better and better. > Cheers > Graham > Melbourne

Thank you Ann - I have bookmarked the page. Kind regards Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ann Sargeant Sent: 01 August 2010 12:50 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] Jonathan CARTER 1861 census / TATTERSALL's Hello Carolyn Yes, you have the correct List. Westminster is a parish in the ancient County of Middlesex. It may be useful (and for other folk too) to have a note of this page where the Middlesex parishes are detailed: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bpefisk/fh/Middx/index.html Ann Middlesex Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn McCartney" <carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 10:52 AM Subject: [MDX] Jonathan CARTER 1861 census / TATTERSALL's > Firstly, am I correct in thinking that the Middlesex list covers > Westminster? I am not sure if there is a different one I should be using > for > this area of London. ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just noticed that FMP have altered things with a new births 1837-2006 searching by surname, first name and mother's name (suppose Ancestry has much the same?). Anyway, very useful, but I see that you still have to use a very wide path to get results. Things are getting better and better. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Ahah, Ada is shown living with her parents in 1881 as a Brewer's wife (she was still married then) and also at St. Andrews, Herts, in Castle street is Thomas Wing, brewer 47 and son William Thomas 15 assistant to brewer. A Thomas Wing dies Hertfordshire in 1884, aged 51. On the right path - shall see where all of this leads. Graham