Show Card Manufacturer BTW the best way to give the reference so others can find it easily is like this RG13; Piece: 1617; Folio: 32; Page: 2 (go to 'view record' and cut and paste the Source Citation just below the 'Save' button) Anne South Australia pat bernie wrote: > Dear Lister Udolph Ernest Dyke age 26 married to Ellen Dyke age 26 - wrongly transcribed on 1901 census as > Adolph Ernest Dyke age 76. RG/1617 North Leyton district p2 Sch 16 occ ? Card manufacturer- looks like > Ghoor ????? > > Many thanks Pat >

Hi again, Lawrence Places of birth on censuses are another matter entirely! They can be very impressionistic indeed and one would certainly not expect anyone completing a census form to have the faintest idea of which district their birth was registered in. In older areas of London, where the locals may have had some idea of where ancient parish boundaries began and ended, more accurate phraseology can sometimes be expected, but newly constructed residential districts such as Bayswater and Notting Hill never really had defined "edges". As one comes forward in time, the naming of places acquires all sorts of issues of status as well. Up until the last decade or so of the 20th century, anyone who possibly could would have preferred their address to be deemed "Bayswater", rather than "Notting Hill". The latter has now gained such social cachet that it is one of the most sought after addresses, so the area it covers has been greatly expanded by residents and estate agents! Best of luck with your search - you strategy is very sound. Caroline > Therein lay one of my problems. I have an 1851 and 1861 census giving > Bayswater as the pob and 1881 and later giving Notting Hill. The > children in question are almost certainly illegitimate but took the > father's surname (in censuses and marriages), and I want to try to hunt > for them, using forename(s), by searching on the appropriate Reg > District in FreeBMD, through educated surmises about the mother's > possible surname. So Kensington looks like the place to search under in > the period 1845-1854. > > Thanks again > > Lawrence

Lawrence. > I am sorry to ask this question on this list again, but I am again having > trouble tracing parishes to Registration Districts. You're not the only one! www.genuki.org.uk is always where I start ... > Which Reg District would Bayswater have come under in about 1845-1854? The page you reference has Bayswater parish created out of Paddington (St James) in 1858. So, back to Paddington - www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/paddington.html. Paddington registration district was created out of Kensington in 1895. So, Kensington - www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/kensington.html. Kensington district included the parish of Paddington (and was in MDX) 1837-1889. In 1889 it became LND, and Paddington became its own district in 1895, as above. Also, Genuki has - BAYSWATER, originally a hamlet in the parish of Paddington. So in 1845-1854 Bayswater was in Paddington, in the Registration district of Kensington ... phew. And this is where Bayswater is - http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=525500&Y=180500&A=Y&Z=120 - between the two. I'll leave Notting Hill for you HTH - Dave. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Pearse" <lawrencepearse@msn.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: [MDX] Middlesex Parishes > > I am sorry to ask this question on this list again, but I am again having > trouble tracing parishes to Registration Districts. I have used > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bpefisk/fh/Middx/ to try to answer > my questions but am not sure of the answers. Can some kind person help > please? > > Which Reg District would Bayswater have come under in about 1845-1854? > And what about Notting Hill in the same period? > > I assume that Vincent Square, Westminster would have come under > Westminster but would also like confirmation. > > Thanks in advance > > Lawrence > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Lawrence No need to apologise - the administrative geography of London is very tricky, and this is a perfectly sensible question. One of the reasons why you couldn't find an easy answer is that the areas now familiar to Londoners as "Bayswater" and "Notting Hill" did not exist in their current forms (as residential areas within west central London) until the middle of the 19th century. They would have come under the Kensington RD at that time. Vincent Square would have come within the Westminster St Margaret RD until 1870 (when it was succeeded by St George Hanover Square). Note that the above refers to Registration Districts for the purposes of the registration of Births, Marriages and Deaths. Census registration districts are by no means always the same! Hope this helps Caroline > > > I am sorry to ask this question on this list again, but I am again > having trouble tracing parishes to Registration Districts. I have used > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bpefisk/fh/Middx/ to try to > answer my questions but am not sure of the answers. Can some kind > person help please? > > Which Reg District would Bayswater have come under in about 1845-1854? > And what about Notting Hill in the same period? > > I assume that Vincent Square, Westminster would have come under > Westminster but would also like confirmation. > > Thanks in advance > > Lawrence

Many thanks, Caroline and Dave. Caroline wrote: "Note that the above refers to Registration Districts for the purposes of the registration of Births, Marriages and Deaths. Census registration districts are by no means always the same!" Therein lay one of my problems. I have an 1851 and 1861 census giving Bayswater as the pob and 1881 and later giving Notting Hill. The children in question are almost certainly illegitimate but took the father's surname (in censuses and marriages), and I want to try to hunt for them, using forename(s), by searching on the appropriate Reg District in FreeBMD, through educated surmises about the mother's possible surname. So Kensington looks like the place to search under in the period 1845-1854. Thanks again Lawrence

Hi Scott You may be looking in the wrong place for new additions to the LDS sites First there is familysearch which you are aware of Then there is http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start Which is the forerunner for http://beta.familysearch.org/ Which will eventually replace the other sites You need to register to get full use of fsbeta Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) A thank you for all your help. I keep hearing of FamilySearch putting new records on line and I keep searching with fingers crossed. I am hoping to find the birth place of Henry Bentham b abt 1773, brother Thomas b abt 1783 and sister Anne who later became Anne Douglas (unfortunately very little is know of her). St Brides Church in London seems to appear for many marriages in this family and in the beginning of the 1800's, Henry set up business on St Marylebone Street with Thomas following with his own business a few years later. As Eve has suggested, I am thinking that they may have visited the St Bride's area for marriages - possibly some family roots were there - and then eventually settled there. Thank you again for the suggestions. Scott B Canada

I am sorry to ask this question on this list again, but I am again having trouble tracing parishes to Registration Districts. I have used http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bpefisk/fh/Middx/ to try to answer my questions but am not sure of the answers. Can some kind person help please? Which Reg District would Bayswater have come under in about 1845-1854? And what about Notting Hill in the same period? I assume that Vincent Square, Westminster would have come under Westminster but would also like confirmation. Thanks in advance Lawrence

pat bernie wrote: > Udolph Ernest Dyke age 26 married to Ellen Dyke age 26 - wrongly transcribed on > 1901 census as Adolph Ernest Dyke age 76. > RG/1617 North Leyton district p2 Sch 16 > occ ? Card manufacturer- looks like Ghoor ????? It looks like Show Card Manufacturer. The check mark against the entries is effectively adding a descender to the initial "S". -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

I am trying to verify my great grandmothers roots The family I believe is per 1851 UK Census Richard Watts age 51 stone mason Sarah Watts age 41 Alfred age 13 Emily age 8 Rebecca age 3 all were born Middlesex Islington Looking for anyone researching this line for exhange of information and cooperative research. My link would be through great grandmother Rebecca Watts Have not located family in subsequent UK census. Rebecca married in Illinois in ca 1868 and died in Michigan in 1880. Located her with husband Alfred Thompson in 1870 and 1880 Census of Michigan. Don Chinnery Sun City Center FL USA

A thank you for all your help.  I keep hearing of FamilySearch putting new records on line and I keep searching with fingers crossed.  I am hoping to find the birth place of Henry Bentham b abt 1773, brother Thomas b abt 1783 and sister Anne who later became Anne Douglas (unfortunately very little is know of her).  St Brides Church in London seems to appear for many marriages in this family and in the beginning of the 1800's, Henry set up business on St Marylebone Street with Thomas following with his own business a few years later.  As Eve has suggested, I am thinking that they may have visited the St Bride's area for marriages - possibly some family roots were there - and then eventually settled there.  Thank you again for the suggestions. Scott B Canada

Dear Lister Udolph Ernest Dyke age 26 married to Ellen Dyke age 26 - wrongly transcribed on 1901 census as Adolph Ernest Dyke age 76. RG/1617 North Leyton district p2 Sch 16 occ ? Card manufacturer- looks like Ghoor ????? Many thanks Pat

Hi Scott The LDS have only the vaguest idea of English geography, and they get themselves in a complete muddle where "London" is concerned. The term "London Greater" is pretty meaningless, particularly as in LDS land it only covers the area north of the Thames - everything in metropolitan London south of the river is under "Surrey". But I thought that their "London Greater" did cover the areas of Middlesex which were swallowed up by Greater London in 1965 (after which Middlesex effectively ceased to exist). Which particular area are you looking in? Incidentally, the new Record Search Pilot version of the LDS site does allow Middlesex as a "place", but includes all the areas which were once in that county, including the metropolitan ones. Best wishes Caroline > > Hoping someone can provide me with some guidance.  I have been trying > to trace > the family in the mid 1700's in the Middlesex area.  But in > FamilySearch, the > only option is for London Greater.  The area I am wanting to narrow is > immediatley north of London Greater.  Any suggestions as to what I > might select > from the list. > Thank you for your help, > Scott B > Canada

Hi Scott The LDS lump various places under "London Greater" Which of course does not exist as such London Greater on familysearch includes Middlesex As far as familysearch is concerned you can't drill down lower than London Greater So whilst I commend you for trying to do it yourself I would suggest you post the details of the person(s) you are seeking and perhaps someone can identify the place they come from with other sources Then you can go further if indeed they are on the IGI which is far from complete What do you consider North of London Greater ? The other option would be to use Hugh Wallis's site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm Again as its derived from the IGI London includes Middlesex but you can select individual Parishes, so you would need to know the Parish but may be useful Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Hoping someone can provide me with some guidance. I have been trying to trace the family in the mid 1700's in the Middlesex area. But in FamilySearch, the only option is for London Greater. The area I am wanting to narrow is immediatley north of London Greater. Any suggestions as to what I might select from the list. Thank you for your help, Scott B Canada

Hi Folks, I've just joined this list and wish to identify my interests. All of these names lived in the St Giles & Covent Garden area, especially Neal Street, and I would be grateful for any information that someone might be able to supply: Callaghan & O'Callaghan living at 33, 35 & 39 Neal Street from c1881 - 1925(ish) : BRYAN : BARRY - Margaret, Nellie & Katie BARRY I'm especially trying to trace any brothers of David (O')Callaghan b.Oct 1873 in County Cork the family lived in and around Neal Street. Also the Date-of Death for a Christopher D P O'Callaghan b. Mar 1920 & Terrence F O'Callaghan b. abt May 1922 and their mother Ellen (O')Callaghan nee WHITE b. abt Mar 1884. Finally can anyone help me with the Date of Death, of James Callaghan b.1900 at St Giles and died sometime in 1970's or 80's in either St Giles, Holborn or St Pancras areas. Any help, suggestions or pointers, gratefull appreciated. Nigel

>From Customer Support at www.1911census.co.uk Incident 162736 "If PayAsYouGo Credits are used we have no objection to 'look ups' being performed on behalf of others." Meaning that if you want to be generous and pay for someone else's research, or help out someone without Internet access and or a credit card, that you may, as long as you don't use your subscription account. Keith Wellington, NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Price" <genetree@tpg.com.au> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [MDX] sks...look up 1911 census please > At 11:02 AM 27/08/2010, you wrote: > >>Looking for CARMODY, Patrick and Nora + about 10-11 children in >>Middlesex, possibly W. Ham > > Hi Pat > It is not advisable to ask for look-ups for the 1911 census as those > who have subscriptions to that facility may have their subscriptions > cancelled if they do that for you, according to the rules and > regulations. FindMyPast, for instance, have the authority to > discontinue subscriptions. See if you can find some other way of > getting around this little problem. i.e. do you have any indication > of where the children may have been baptised? Have you checked > FreeBMD for births? Possibly, someone may be able to look for you on > the 1901 at Ancestry.com (hope so, anyway) which such regs do not > apply, but certainly not the 1911 which is monitored for breaches of > regulations. > Cheers > Graham > Melbourne > Oz > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hoping someone can provide me with some guidance.  I have been trying to trace the family in the mid 1700's in the Middlesex area.  But in FamilySearch, the only option is for London Greater.  The area I am wanting to narrow is immediatley north of London Greater.  Any suggestions as to what I might select from the list. Thank you for your help, Scott B Canada

Hello I would like to thank all who helped me with my query re the Stafford rootsweb site. Thank You Hazel NSW

> Keith said: >>From Customer Support at www.1911census.co.uk >> "If PayAsYouGo Credits are used we have no objection to 'look ups' being >> performed on behalf of others." > > Meaning that if you want to be generous and pay for someone else's > research, > or help out someone without Internet access and or a credit card, that you > may, as long as you don't use your subscription account. An excellent opportunity to clarify for the benefit of any newcomers who may be unclear about this. Keith's message clearly illustrates one of the reasons why 1911 census requests have never been acceptable on this and many other online forums. Those without internet access are not subscribed here. Those who are sufficiently well acquainted to agree to pay for one another's research have no need to do so through a public mailing list. All users of 1911census.co.uk and/or subscribers to FMP are bound by various terms and conditions. Responsible List Admins know that it is in all our interests to ensure we are not seen to condone misuse. Not for further List discussion please. Many thanks. Ann Middx Admin

Hazel, here's the URL http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ If you type Staffordshire into the lower search box, you should bring up one or some mailing lists to try. Sorry I can't be specific as I don't have any research in that part of the country. Jeanette > Could someone please tell me what rootsweb sit i should join to try and > locate a family at Burslem and Wolstanton, Stafford. >

Hi Hazel, Go to rootsweb.com/mailing lists then scroll down to the box for fiding a mailing list, I thin it is the second box down the page. Type Staffordshire in that box and if you get up more than one list in the results click on each one in turn in order to search or browse each lists archives. Doing this might help you to decide which list would be most suited to your needs. Some lists will be busier than others I expect. You might even find that searching one of those lists for surname that interests you in that area could show other people researching the name or even your family in Staffs. Someone wrote about keeping an eye open for County boundary changes over time. I find the best place to do this is on the genuki site www.genuki.org.uk This site covers the whole of the UK and Ireland with a genealogical angle. Each country is set out by it's counties, with a main page for each county, each county page has a list of Towns and parishes, very often, if not always, each town or parish name has beside it another link to "Nearby Places" which will show all the little hamlets & Villages etc., near by. You might be surprised by what you can find on the Genuki site, I have been going back to it time and again over the last 12 years of my research and always manage to find something of interest and often helpful leads, especially when my research has moved from one county to another and I am at a loss as to where to begin looking in that new county. Some county's pages have more information on them than others as each county page is maintained by a volunteer administrator. Those admins., are always looking for items to add to their county pages. Users of the site who have produced their own useful items, perhaps an index or article of some kind to do with the county or a town/parish etc., can contact the county admin., via the e.mail address given for each county admin., with a view to donating their item to the relevant county pages. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. <<> Hello > Could someone please tell me what rootsweb sit i should join to try and > locate a family at Burslem and Wolstanton, Stafford.>>