Very true. It is just that some of 'my' wives appear to have got through a huge amount of money before they then died and left a Will. No doubt they were sensible enough to pass it on to the children (or whoever) before they died. I'll let you know how long my Wills from the Probate office take. Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 12 September 2010 09:57 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] Missing Admins/Wills Then as today If you think about it, the more astute the person is financially Or the better the advice they can afford, the more likely they are to have sorted their affairs before they peg it to avoid any duty or taxes Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Nivard > > I like your analogy :) Very true! In one particular case I have, I know > the > husband left the wife a lot of money but maybe she went on a spending > spree > after he died! Many thanks for the Death duty link too - I shall > definitely > explore that avenue. > Carolyn ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I got the wrong decade in my posting below. The "school" would have been operating in the early to mid 1860's. Ellen Fletcher was widowed in 1861. Sincere apologies if I have confused or inconvenienced anyone. regards, Norman Jessup Sydney -------- Original Message -------- Subject: "School" in Camden Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:16:11 +1000 From: Norman Jessup <njessup@tpg.com.au> To: Middlesex_County_UK@rootsweb.com Apologies I wonder if someone with access to a trades directory or suchlike could help me with a brick wall. I'm trying to confirm that an Ellen Fletcher ran a "school' at 49 College Street West (now part of College Place), Camden, in the early or mid 1850s. She was widowed in 1851 and a newspaper report 1867 tells of a widowed Mrs Fletcher acting as informal foster parent of a small boy belonging to an unmarried couple nearby. They used the name Redpath or Redmayne. The report concerns a magistrates hearing brought by Mrs Fletcher complaining that the agreed maintenance payments have not been honoured. Mrs Fletcher says she was running a school at the time. The boy is possibly my GG-Grandfather (later know as Thomas Redmayne) but I cannot identify him in either the 1861 or 1871 census returns. Thanks and regards Norman Jessup

My cousin was told to expect a 3 week wait. Best of luck with them. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn McCartney" <carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [MDX] Missing Admins/Wills > Do hope so Jan - maybe I am jumping the gun and as you say, the ones I have > ordered will shed more light. You never know what you are going to find. > Just wish they'd hurry up and arrive! :-) > > Carolyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Jan > Hearn > Sent: 12 September 2010 00:49 > To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDX] Missing Admins/Wills > > You may also find more answers when your documents arrive. As happened in a > couple of my family's businesses, they may be left to a family member " for > the term of their life" and then revert to someone else. This happened to a > married daughter whom, I can only guess, had already been well provided for > and to a son who was deemed incompetent where a farm was actually left to > three grandsons but could be run by their father whilst he lived. I have > been amazed at the complexity of some of the Wills I have seen from earlier > days. > All so fascinating! > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn McCartney" <carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com> > To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 9:09 AM > Subject: Re: [MDX] Missing Admins/Wills > > >>> For my post 1858 deaths I went up to Principal Probate Office in Holborn > a >> couple of times and scoured the books - great fun :) and very rewarding in >> many instances but not all. I also have a sub to Ancestry and with their >> Index have been able to find quite a few more. I think the Probate office >> must be inundated as the ones I have ordered are taking a very long time > to >> come!! << > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi John, thanks so much for that description, it's basically how (as a blind person who used to have sight) I visualised how those names would appear and you described how I thought they would have differed. I know old handwriting can be a pain to work out on times, so I really do appreciate your help on this one. Many thank to you and everyone who replied on and off list re this query. Kindest regards to all, Jon

I wonder if someone with access to a trades directory or suchlike could help me with a brick wall. I'm trying to confirm that an Ellen Fletcher ran a "school' at 49 College Street West (now part of College Place), Camden, in the early or mid 1850s. She was widowed in 1851 and a newspaper report 1867 tells of a widowed Mrs Fletcher acting as informal foster parent of a small boy belonging to an unmarried couple nearby. They used the name Redpath or Redmayne. The report concerns a magistrates hearing brought by Mrs Fletcher complaining that the agreed maintenance payments have not been honoured. Mrs Fletcher says she was running a school at the time. The boy is possibly my GG-Grandfather (later know as Thomas Redmayne) but I cannot identify him in either the 1861 or 1871 census returns. Thanks and regards Norman Jessup

From: Lawrence Pearse Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 1:11 PM To: Middlesex List Subject: Re: [MDX] 1841 Census Help please SNIP> What do you expect it to be (if anything)? Hi Lawrence, Thanks for your reply. I had no names in mind at all really. Being totally blind and trying to visualise Jeff and Legg, I was somewhat puzzled by the difference in translation. I know some letters are easilly mistaken on times, but the difference in transcription made no sense to me. I think its safe to say that the vowel is "e" though by the replies I've had on and off list. Seeing Jeff did make me wonder if the page had been damaged and Ann could possibly have been Mary's mother-in-law, but the LEGG surname on the other site didn't help that idea at all. Many thanks for your time and effort, best wishes, Jon

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon's FH" <jons.fh@btinternet.com> > Hi folks, > > On the 1841 census at Stepney (ref: HO107; Piece 712; Book: 15; Civil Parish: Stepney; County: > > Middlesex; Enumeration District: 31; Folio: 7; Page: 6; Line: 13; GSU roll: 438821) is Mary > > Burton with son George, also Mary Jeffrey (from her previous marriage), then there's an Ann aged > > 60. > > Ancestry have her surname indexed as LEGG, whilst FMP have her surname indexed as JEFF. > > Could SKS take a look and try and determine for me which (if either) of these surnames is > > correct please? > > Many thanks,> > Jon > ************************************** Looking at "Lighterman" two lines below, I'd go with LEGG. The 'ff' is unlike that in JEFFREY (the descenders turn the other way) and the 'f' in the two RUTHERFORDs, but like the 'g' in "George"s elsewhere. Regards John Henley

Nivard Ovington wrote: > You can apply at any Probate Office > > It used to be a few days delay for them to supply as they order them in turn > from London or York, they used to arrive by FAX > > But that is often beyond reach of many people You don't have to apply in person though. > For those ordering from abroad York is the usual source and used to be the > best way without knowing where the Will was probated as they hold all wills > Nationwide from 1858 All that's changed now - thanks to Ancestry, or will (no pun intended) when they have all years. > So it rather depends on how close you are to a Probate Office really My closest ones are Exeter, Bristol and Gloucester so if my husband isn't going to Gloucester for a while, I can apply to Exeter or Bristol. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

You can apply at any Probate Office It used to be a few days delay for them to supply as they order them in turn from London or York, they used to arrive by FAX But that is often beyond reach of many people For those ordering from abroad York is the usual source and used to be the best way without knowing where the Will was probated as they hold all wills Nationwide from 1858 County Records Offices may hold some wills So it rather depends on how close you are to a Probate Office really Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Apparently you can apply to local regional offices as well as York. > > -- > Charani (UK)

Hi folks, On the 1841 census at Stepney (ref: HO107; Piece 712; Book: 15; Civil Parish: Stepney; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 31; Folio: 7; Page: 6; Line: 13; GSU roll: 438821) is Mary Burton with son George, also Mary Jeffrey (from her previous marriage), then there's an Ann aged 60. Ancestry have her surname indexed as LEGG, whilst FMP have her surname indexed as JEFF. Could SKS take a look and try and determine for me which (if either) of these surnames is correct please? Many thanks, Jon

Jon - I am confident it is not Legg, but the first letter looks like R to me - Regg doesn't seem to make sense as a surname, and I can't make out the 2nd letter as an i (for Rigg). What do you expect it to be (if anything)? Lawrence > From: jons.fh@btinternet.com > To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 12:18:08 +0100 > Subject: [MDX] 1841 Census Help please > > Hi folks, > > On the 1841 census at Stepney (ref: HO107; Piece 712; Book: 15; Civil Parish: Stepney; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 31; Folio: 7; Page: 6; Line: 13; GSU roll: 438821) is Mary Burton with son George, also Mary Jeffrey (from her previous marriage), then there's an Ann aged 60. > > Ancestry have her surname indexed as LEGG, whilst FMP have her surname indexed as JEFF. > > Could SKS take a look and try and determine for me which (if either) of these surnames is correct please? > > Many thanks, > > Jon > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nivard Ovington wrote: > The standard wait was always four weeks and would expect that to have > doubled with the release of the Calendars on Ancestry, until they get over > the backlog it is bound to cause delays > > It must have increased demand many times over the norm Apparently you can apply to local regional offices as well as York. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Carolyn McCartney wrote: > In one particular case I have, I know the husband left the wife a > lot of money but maybe she went on a spending spree after he died! > As an example of what can happen: When my father died, he hadn't left a will and there's no admon either. My parents had a joint bank account, so that wasn't frozen. The mortgage had been paid off, so no worries there for my mother there either. She'd made sure it was in joint names. She simply took everything and carried on as normal. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Then as today If you think about it, the more astute the person is financially Or the better the advice they can afford, the more likely they are to have sorted their affairs before they peg it to avoid any duty or taxes Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Nivard > > I like your analogy :) Very true! In one particular case I have, I know > the > husband left the wife a lot of money but maybe she went on a spending > spree > after he died! Many thanks for the Death duty link too - I shall > definitely > explore that avenue. > Carolyn

You may also find more answers when your documents arrive. As happened in a couple of my family's businesses, they may be left to a family member " for the term of their life" and then revert to someone else. This happened to a married daughter whom, I can only guess, had already been well provided for and to a son who was deemed incompetent where a farm was actually left to three grandsons but could be run by their father whilst he lived. I have been amazed at the complexity of some of the Wills I have seen from earlier days. All so fascinating! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn McCartney" <carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [MDX] Missing Admins/Wills > Many thanks for your help Caroline. There are a number of different families > I have with this problem and yes, I should have said, I have tried TNA Docs > online. However, I have not yet looked at the death Duty Registers so I > think that must be my next step for pre 1858 deaths. Thank you for the link > and suggestion about fmp's article - I rarely use them but think it is time > I did! > For my post 1858 deaths I went up to Principal Probate Office in Holborn a > couple of times and scoured the books - great fun :) and very rewarding in > many instances but not all. I also have a sub to Ancestry and with their > Index have been able to find quite a few more. I think the Probate office > must be inundated as the ones I have ordered are taking a very long time to > come!! I do appreciate that many families did not write Wills (and that > those that did seemed to run in families). However, I think your final > sentence explains it to me. If everything was passed on to their families > with no need for legal formalities then presumably no one knew about it and > no death duties were paid? > I really appreciate your help Caroline, and your input too Charani. Off to > search again... > Carolyn > > > -----Original Message----- > From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Caroline > Bradford > Sent: 11 September 2010 17:54 > To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDX] Missing Admins/Wills > > Hi Carol > > As you are, I think, aware, the situation before 1858 is very different to > that after it. Prior to that key date, wills could have been proved in (or > administrations granted by) a variety of church courts. You don't say where > you have looked so far, though I assume that you have thoroughly searched > the PCC wills index at DocumentsOnline. A thorough guide to the other > possibilities is published by the London Metropolitan Archives at > http://tinyurl.com/2d5bqyk. If that all looks a bit daunting, one good > shortcut is (as you have already guessed) the Death Duty Registers which are > available online at www.findmypast.co.uk (subscription or pay per view). > These are not indexed, but if you have dates of death then your search will > be easier. It is well worth reading their knowledge base article on the > subject before you start. > > After 1858, if a will or administration exists then it should figure in the > National Probate Calendars. Ancestry now have most of these online, but > there are some quite significant gaps, which they hope to have filled > soon(!). Is it possible that you are just unlucky and your ancestors died > in the missing years? If so, the full calendars are available on film > through your local LDS centre, or in lovely old-fashioned ledger form at the > Principal Probate Registry in Chancery Lane. > > You also have to be prepared for the fact that will making was by no means > universal even in the second half of the 19th century. Nor would it always > have been necessary for a family to apply for an administration of a > deceased person's estate. If a person's estate was entirely in cash, > personal effects and stock-in-trade, and if there was no dispute within the > family about who should inherit, then they may not have bothered with legal > formalities. > > Hope this helps > > Caroline >> >> I have a number of people in my tree who died pre and post 1858 that I >> believe had some wealth or owned their own business but do not appear >> to >> have left a Will. I cannot find any letter of administration for them >> so >> would someone be able to tell me what would have happened to their >> assets in >> this instance? I presume Death Duties only occurred following Probate? >> >> >> >> I am sorry if this questions appear silly but this is a new area for me >> to >> delve into! >> >> >> >> Many thanks >> >> >> >> Carolyn >> >> ************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

David Railton wrote: > The 1841 census shows Laurette ADAMS, age 25, and Mary ADAMS, aged 20, > living at Cardington Street, St Pancras. > > The 1851 census shows Laurette ADAMS, age 39 unmarried born Middlesex, and > her sister, Mary ADAMS age 36 unmarried born Middlesex, living at 6, Bedford > Street, St Pancras. Also at the same address is Ann KEITH. Ann is shown as > age 32 married born Middlesex, the sister of Laurette. Ann was not married, > her surname was not Keith and I can see no reason to think that she was > Laurette's sister. What do you mean when you say "Ann was not married, her surname was not Keith" etc. ? The image shows quite clearly Ann Keith, married, sister at the same address. If you get the birth certificate of either the nephew or niece, that will tell you Ann's maiden name In 1841, Ann, Ella and Lawrence are in Gloucestershire (Clifton, Bristol) HO107; Piece 377; Book: 14; Civil Parish: St James Out and St Paul Out; County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District: 7; Folio: 40; Page: 7; Line: 14; Given that her husband is never present at census time and that the children were born in Southampton and Bristol, it's possible he was a seaman of some sort. Anne South Australia

Hi Jan The standard wait was always four weeks and would expect that to have doubled with the release of the Calendars on Ancestry, until they get over the backlog it is bound to cause delays It must have increased demand many times over the norm Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > My cousin was told to expect a 3 week wait. Best of luck with them. > > Jan

Do hope so Jan - maybe I am jumping the gun and as you say, the ones I have ordered will shed more light. You never know what you are going to find. Just wish they'd hurry up and arrive! :-) Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Jan Hearn Sent: 12 September 2010 00:49 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] Missing Admins/Wills You may also find more answers when your documents arrive. As happened in a couple of my family's businesses, they may be left to a family member " for the term of their life" and then revert to someone else. This happened to a married daughter whom, I can only guess, had already been well provided for and to a son who was deemed incompetent where a farm was actually left to three grandsons but could be run by their father whilst he lived. I have been amazed at the complexity of some of the Wills I have seen from earlier days. All so fascinating! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn McCartney" <carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [MDX] Missing Admins/Wills >> For my post 1858 deaths I went up to Principal Probate Office in Holborn a > couple of times and scoured the books - great fun :) and very rewarding in > many instances but not all. I also have a sub to Ancestry and with their > Index have been able to find quite a few more. I think the Probate office > must be inundated as the ones I have ordered are taking a very long time to > come!! <<

Norman, Have you tried "Historical Directories" on-line? Here is the link http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp Regards Peter Subject: [MDX] "School" in Camden I wonder if someone with access to a trades directory or suchlike could help me with a brick wall. I'm trying to confirm that an Ellen Fletcher ran a "school' at 49 College Street West (now part of College Place), Camden, in the early or mid 1850s. She was widowed in 1851 and a newspaper report 1867 tells of a widowed Mrs Fletcher acting as informal foster parent of a small boy belonging to an unmarried couple nearby. They used the name Redpath or Redmayne. The report concerns a magistrates hearing brought by Mrs Fletcher complaining that the agreed maintenance payments have not been honoured. Mrs Fletcher says she was running a school at the time. The boy is possibly my GG-Grandfather (later know as Thomas Redmayne) but I cannot identify him in either the 1861 or 1871 census returns. Thanks and regards Norman Jessup

HI David, In the 1851 census entry where you say Laurette Adams and sister Mary have Ann Keith with them shown as sister, Ann Keith is shown as Married, you said she is not. She is shown on the following page from Laurette and Mary, on ref. HO17 piece 1496 folio 89 page 66 Ann is at the top of the page and clearly shown with the letters Mar. in the Condition column, she is followed by dau. Ella age 13 and son Lawrence aged 10. I am wondering if perhaps Ann Keith was indeed the sister of Laurette & Mary Adams. How else can you explain her appearing as the sister of Laurette in more than one census. If she only appeared as their sister in one census then you might put it down as an enumerators error in reading the relationship on the schedule for the household, but not one at least 3 different censuses. They must have surely been sisters. If you don't know very much about Laurette, Mary and their brother Julian how can you be sure they did not have a sister Ann who married Mr. Keith? I found in the LMA records of bapts. marrs. and burs., on the Ancestry site the baptism of a later Lauretta Adams, in 1833, at St. Pancras the daughter of a Ralph Adams and his wife. Could this Ralph Adams have been another brother of Laurette, Mary & Julian? Or is the 2nd incidence of the name Lauretta Adams in the St. Pancras/Marylebone area just a coincidence? Might be worth looking into to see if he relates to the other Adams siblings. I have not been able to find anything like a baptism for either Laurette/a or Julian Adams in the London/Middx area at any time on the IGI nor in the baptisms from the LMA records on the Ancestry site. But then these two sources are not complete records. Looking at Ann Keith's two children, Ella and Lawrence, they were each shown in the census as born in a sea port place, Ella in Southampton and Lawrence in Bristol. Could it be that they were really born abroad or at sea and perhaps their births appear in the GRO indexes of Overseas births, these indexes can be found on findmypast under the BMD tab. Maybe the port of Southampton was where the ship docked shortly after the birth of Ella and Bristol the port where the ship docked soon after the birth of Lawrence. Births, ( as well as deaths and marriages), at sea would be registered with the registrar of shipping at the first port of call the ship made where there was such a British Registrar of shipping or a British Consul/Embassy where such births would also be registered if there was one available in the country where the ship called at after the event. Perhaps the husband of Ann Keith was working abroad or was a mariner and at sea every time the census came round, in those censuses where she is shown as married. I found Lawrence Keith in the 1871 census at Richmond Surrey. He is married to an Elizabeth who was born at Rochdale Lancs. They had a little 3yr old daughter called Florence and a daughter Emily P aged 1 both daughters were born in Lisbon (British Subjects), there is also a servant Marianne De Jesus from Lisbon. Could it be that Lawrence and Elizabeth married abroad, perhaps in Portugal? They were both in their early 30s in the 1871. Their marriage might also appear in the Overseas Marriage indexes on findmypast. I can't find either Ella or Lawrence Keith's births nor a marriage for Lawrence Keith to an Elizabeth on the FreeBMD site. the ref. for this 1871 entry is RG10 piece 867 folio 36 page 29 little Emily and the servant appear over the page. In the 1881 census Lawrence Keith is a boarder in Fulham London, he is shown as married aged 39 occ. Accountant b. Clifton Bristol. He is not with his wife and children Ref.RG11 piece 65 folio 77 page 6 The 1881 census for Elizabeth Keith and her, (now), 4 daughters has ref. RG11 piece 4124 folio 56 page 1they are living at Spotland in Lancashire. the two youngest daughters are Constance mary age 9 and Alice Emma Lillian aged 7 both born Middlesex London. The elder two daughter are, as before, shown born Lisbon Portugal, British Subjects. I think perhaps if you search the Overseas BMD indexes on findmypast for the births of Ella and Lawrence Keith, and if you find their births there, you should then find out just who their mother had been, whether she was Anne Adams who married a Mr. Keith. Sorry I have not been able to tell you anything about Lauretta, mary or Julian apart from what you already know. But maybe something above will give you food for thought. regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. <<> The 1841 census shows Laurette ADAMS, age 25, and Mary ADAMS, aged 20, > living at Cardington Street, St Pancras. > The 1851 census shows Laurette ADAMS, age 39 unmarried born Middlesex, and > her sister, Mary ADAMS age 36 unmarried born Middlesex, living at 6, > Bedford Street, St Pancras. Also at the same address is Ann KEITH. Ann is > shown as age 32 married born Middlesex, the sister of Laurette. Ann was > not married, > her surname was not Keith and I can see no reason to think that she was > Laurette's sister. > > The 1861 census has Laurette, age 49 unmarried born Marylebone, living at > 16, Queen Terrace St, Pancras with her sister, Mary, age 47 unmarried born > Marylebone. Ann KEITH and her 2 children were at the same address. Laurette appears to missing from the 1871 census. Her sister Mary is shown > living with her brother, Julian L Adams, age 65, at Kentish Town, St > Pancras. Ann is also at this house and is shown as Julian's sister. > In 1871 Laurette is at Ann KEITH's home at 174 St Johns Road St Mary > Islington. > Laurette's death is shown in the GRO index at Hampstead in 1892 age 92. > Can anyone tell me any more about Laurette, Mary and Julian ADAMS? >>