I have a marriage certificate for a grt uncle in October 1847. My problem is finding the couple in the 1851 census. Their address on the certificate is not easy to read but appears to be Menster Ground. Can anybody advise me as to what this address actually was? Thanks David Cork (researching Crossland in Islington/Whitechapel) -------------------------------------------------- From: <middlesex_county_uk-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 7:45 AM To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Subject: MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK Digest, Vol 5, Issue 198 > > > If you'd like your Digest format changed, please don't hesitate to contact > me, Ann, at the Middlesex List Admin address: > Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > > To send a reply, or a new message to the List send it to > Middlesex_County_UK@rootsweb.com > > When replying to an earlier message please make sure the Subject line > reflects the content by changing it if necessary, and trim away > superfluous parts of earlier postings. Always use Plain Text for List > Messages - if unsure contact List Admin for help. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: St. Mary at Hill Marriages 1750-1765 (Jenny De Angelis) > 2. Re: alternate names for cicely (Jenny De Angelis) > 3. further to St. Mary at Hill marriages (Santa Traugott) > 4. Re: further to St. Mary at Hill marriages (JFHH) > 5. Re: further to St. Mary at Hill marriages (Judy Lester) > 6. Re: war enlistment (Jason Austin) > 7. Ann GRAIN - lost in 1851 (David Railton) > 8. Re: war enlistment (Jason Austin) > 9. change of email address (Hambrook) > 10. Re: Ann GRAIN - lost in 1851 (Peter) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:12:16 +0200 > From: "Jenny De Angelis" <jennyda2@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MDX] St. Mary at Hill Marriages 1750-1765 > To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <5CF256B0DEE849DB968C5256558CCFD1@jennysasus> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Santa T, > > According to the details on the familysearch site the original parish > registers for St. Andrew Hubbard 1538-1846 are held at the Guildhall > Library > London The Guildhall library nos. for these records are shown as 1278/1, > 1279/3, 4550 > > the batch number on the IGI for this church is C023621 for baptisms. > > The LDS have a film of the above PRs and other material for those years > mentioned. > Film no. 374407 covers Bapts. Vestry Minutes, Marriages, Burials, > Churchwardens Accounts, Overseers of the poor accounts & Poor Rates. All > for varying years. From about 1538-1846 dependant on which of the above > subjects you are looking at. > > If you can get to an LDS centre you could order a copy of this film and > work > your way through it, it costs very little to hire such films. You will > find > the address of your nearest LDS centre by going to the home page of the > familysearch site at www.familysearch.org where there is a section for > finding family history centres around the world but put in your area name > of > your country and see what results. > > Regards > Jenny DeAngelis > Spain. > > <<> I have been looking at the images at Ancestry for St. Mary at Hill and > marriages for the above period -- just the very one I need -- are missing. > I know St. Mary at Hill merged with St. Andrew Hubbard in 1670 but these > marriages are not in the records for that parish either (at least as shown > on ancestry). Does anyone have any idea where the marriage records for > these years might be?>> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:29:41 +0200 > From: "Jenny De Angelis" <jennyda2@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MDX] alternate names for cicely > To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <2D4A3C5341C94698A4D2D4A0160D3A9F@jennysasus> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > Hi Sue, > > After Lord Hardwicke's marriage Act of 1753, which came into effect in > 1754, > everyone had to marry in a Church of England, regardless of their > religious > persuassion. The only exception to this rule were Jews and Quakers who > were > allowed to marry in their own synagogues and meeting houses. > > You say that the family appear to have been non conformists and perhaps > when > Cicely married Joseph Boardman they probably married, from the dates you > give, sometime after this act was passed and would have been forced to > marry > in the CofE, if they married in England. > > Remember too that the IGI at familysearch is not an exhaustive resource, > not > all British parishes are included in the indexes there. > > It might be that they married in a parish which has not been put either > onto > the LMA records at the Ancestry site nor into the IGI online at > familysearch. But there is still the possibility that Cicely was not the > ladies first name and that she married under another name. > > Something I have just found on the Ancestry site and the LMA marriages and > Banns 1754-1921 is a marriage for a Cicely Boardman to a Richard Horne at > St. John Hackney in 1824 where she is shown as a minor and her father gave > his consent to the marriage. One of the witnesses was a Joseph Boardman > Jr. > > Could this be one of your Joseph Boardman's children marrying? > > I then found in the IGI the baptism of Cicely Boardman 6th Nov. 1803 St. > Matthew Bethnal Green, born 9th Sept. 1803 father Joseph Boardman mother > Martha. batch no. is C046983 which shows this to be an extracted record > rather than a patron submission. > > Using that batch number, region as British isles, the fathers name as > Joseph > Boardman I found further baptisms for Joseph and Martha between 1801 and > 1809, obviously at the same church because of using that batch number. > These fall into the period that you believe Joseph Boardman's wife would > have been Cicely. Could this mother be your Cicely under her proper name > of > Martha?? > > This is rather far fetched I know but might be something worth trying to > puzzle out to see where it leads. > Regards > Jenny DeAngelis > Spain. >>>> I don't have a lot of information unfortunately. Her Husband was a >> Joseph Boardman from spitalfields london, and I have just found out that >> he remarried a Lydia Williams parish st saviour southwark in 1808. >> cicely?? died in 1803 and is buried at Bunhill Fields along with Joseph >> in 1817. Also Lydia is buried at Bunhill Fields in 1814. Cicely is >> also >> named as Grandmother on a Baptism for her granddaughter. But the >> marriage between Joseph and Elizabeth Culmore in 1762 at St Matthews >> Bethnal Green is the only marriage for a Joseph Boardman that I can >> find. >> As they appear to be non conformists maybe I have got it all wrong and >> there is a record out there somewhere for a Cicely, but I just cannot >> find it anywhere.<< > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:35:36 -0400 > From: "Santa Traugott" <strau@umich.edu> > Subject: [MDX] further to St. Mary at Hill marriages > To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <75C5F103DA5A4835ABDE16666469E052@Santae310> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The parish book of St. Mary at Hill appears to have been reproduced in its > entirety on Ancestry UK. It appears to be rather tightly bound into a > greenish volume, complete with a leather strap to close it. The pages > themselves are not numbered. > > Christenings go from image 1-106, and cover 1558-1803. Marriages of > 1558-1741 start on image 107 and end abruptly at image 130 in 1741. > Images 131-135 are christenings from 1805-1812. From 136 to the end are > burials. I have been through the volume page by page and the missing > marriages do not appear. > > It may be that there is an addendum to to this book that Ancestry simply > didn't pick up. > > So I am very curious as to where the records for these marriages went, and > somewhat dubious that they will appear on, e.g., a Family History library > microfilm. > > As I mentioned earlier, they also do not appear in St. Andrew Hubbard with > which St. Mary merged in 1690. > > So now I guess I am asking: what would be the reason these marriages were > not recorded in the original parish book; where might they be recorded, > and how would we know that sources that purport to contain St. Mary at > Hill registers have actually included these "missing marriages" wherever > they might have been found? > > [The marriage I am looking for is not on Britishorigins, sadly.] > > Santa T. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:47:22 +0100 > From: "JFHH" <johnfhhgen@uwclub.net> > Subject: Re: [MDX] further to St. Mary at Hill marriages > To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com>, <strau@umich.edu> > Message-ID: <50A563247BF84A7CBA856EC3E6C365F7@youra97ec67e86> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Santa, > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Santa Traugott" <strau@umich.edu> >> The parish book of St. Mary at Hill appears to have been reproduced in >> its entirety on Ancestry >> UK. It appears to be rather tightly bound into a greenish volume, >> complete with a leather strap >> to close it. The pages themselves are not numbered. >> Christenings go from image 1-106, and cover 1558-1803. Marriages of >> 1558-1741 start on image 107 >> and end abruptly at image 130 in 1741. Images 131-135 are christenings >> from 1805-1812. From 136 >> to the end are burials. I have been through the volume page by page and >> the missing marriages do >> not appear. >> It may be that there is an addendum to to this book that Ancestry simply >> didn't pick up. >> So I am very curious as to where the records for these marriages went, >> and somewhat dubious that >> they will appear on, e.g., a Family History library microfilm. >> As I mentioned earlier, they also do not appear in St. Andrew Hubbard >> with which St. Mary merged >> in 1690. >> So now I guess I am asking: what would be the reason these marriages >> were not recorded in the >> original parish book; where might they be recorded, and how would we know >> that sources that >> purport to contain St. Mary at Hill registers have actually included >> these "missing marriages" >> wherever they might have been found? >> [The marriage I am looking for is not on Britishorigins, sadly.] >> Santa T. > > According to the online catalogue of the LMA at > http://search.lma.gov.uk/scripts/mwimain.dll/547?ADVANCEFORM&DATABASE=LMA_DESCRIPTION > they have for St.Mary at Hill > > Register of marriages. > Reference Code:P69/MRY4/A/006/MS04548 > Level of description:File > Parent Reference:P69/MRY4/A > Site Location:London Metropolitan Archives > Former Reference:MS 04548 > Dates of Creation:1813 - 1837 > Extent:1 volume > > and > Registers of marriages 1754-1812 and banns 1754-1813 of the united > parishes of St Mary at Hill and > St Andrew Hubbard. > Reference Code:P69/MRY4/A/005 > Level of description:Series > Parent Reference:P69/MRY4/A > Site Location:London Metropolitan Archives > Former Reference:MS 04547 > Dates of Creation:1754 - 1813 > Extent:2 volumes > Scope - Content:Vol.2 includes one marriage dated September 1783 > > and > > Register of baptisms 1558-1812, marriages 1558/9-1754 and burials > 1558-1812. Includes baptisms and > burials from St Andrew Hubbard 1742-1812. > Reference Code:P69/MRY4/A/001/MS04546 > Level of description:File > Parent Reference:P69/MRY4/A > Site Location:London Metropolitan Archives > Former Reference:MS 04546 > Dates of Creation:1558 - 1812 > Extent:1v, vellum > Scope - Content:Baptisms 1805-12 have been entered after the marriage > registrations > > It looks as if this last is what you examined at Ancestry, and for some > reason the post 1741 > marriages have not been picked up. > It might be worth an e-mail to the LMA to check that this is, in fact, the > case, and that the > marriages are present in the original volume. > The writing showing through on image 130 does *not* match that on Image > 131!! > > REgards > John Henley > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:59:18 +0100 > From: "Judy Lester" <jlester@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [MDX] further to St. Mary at Hill marriages > To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <271419.15134.qm@smtp823.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Marriages from 1754 onwards are in the other database "London Marriages > & Banns 1754..." (searchable and browsable). So the gap on Ancestry > would appear to be 1741-1753. > > HTH > > Judy > London, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Santa > Traugott > Sent: 15 September 2010 14:36 > To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MDX] further to St. Mary at Hill marriages > > The parish book of St. Mary at Hill appears to have been reproduced in > its entirety on Ancestry UK. It appears to be rather tightly bound > into a greenish volume, complete with a leather strap to close it. The > pages themselves are not numbered. > > Christenings go from image 1-106, and cover 1558-1803. Marriages of > 1558-1741 start on image 107 and end abruptly at image 130 in 1741. > Images 131-135 are christenings from 1805-1812. From 136 to the end are > burials. I have been through the volume page by page and the missing > marriages do not appear. > > It may be that there is an addendum to to this book that Ancestry simply > didn't pick up. > > So I am very curious as to where the records for these marriages went, > and somewhat dubious that they will appear on, e.g., a Family History > library microfilm. > > As I mentioned earlier, they also do not appear in St. Andrew Hubbard > with which St. Mary merged in 1690. > > So now I guess I am asking: what would be the reason these marriages > were not recorded in the original parish book; where might they be > recorded, and how would we know that sources that purport to contain St. > Mary at Hill registers have actually included these "missing marriages" > wherever they might have been found? > > [The marriage I am looking for is not on Britishorigins, sadly.] > > Santa T. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:50:11 -0700 > From: Jason Austin <jason.austin@shaw.ca> > Subject: Re: [MDX] war enlistment > To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4C90EB33.40202@shaw.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Hello Beryl > > Which war was this? > > Jason > > > > Beryle wrote: > >>I have a question that may not be answered here but I am stuck. I have a >>relation who was a bombardier in the royal artillery when he married my >>husbands aunt in portsmouth uk I think he was from Vermont usa which >>would make him a American I can't find a enlistment in America. Can anyone >>advise me where to look his name was Walter Wright I only have a marriage >>certificate. Beryle Masom Australia. >>************************************** >>Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >>superfluous old messages in replies. >> >>List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:35:10 +0100 > From: "David Railton" <railton.david@btinternet.com> > Subject: [MDX] Ann GRAIN - lost in 1851 > To: <MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <89B91F3C1D04445481F1DE30CDB6D94E@davidPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I am trying to find a lady by name of Ann GRAIN in the 1851 census. She > was > supposedly born in about 1789, place unknown. When she made her will in > 1850 > she described herself as being ".late of Devonshire Street, Portland Place > but now of Charles Street, Manchester Square.". When she died in 1853 she > was described as living at 79, Albany Street, Regents Park although the > death duty register gives 79, Upper Albany Street, Regents Park. > > > > I can't find her in the 1851 census, or the 1841. She will most likely be > described as being of independent means. > > > > Does anyone have any ideas? > > > > Thank you. > > > > David > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:40:28 -0700 > From: Jason Austin <jason.austin@shaw.ca> > Subject: Re: [MDX] war enlistment > To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4C91131C.6070901@shaw.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Thanks Karina, I'll try that! > > Love > > Dad > > > > Jason Austin wrote: > >>Hello Beryl >> >>Which war was this? >> >>Jason >> >> >> >>Beryle wrote: >> >> >> >>>I have a question that may not be answered here but I am stuck. I have a >>>relation who was a bombardier in the royal artillery when he married my >>>husbands aunt in portsmouth uk I think he was from Vermont usa which >>>would make him a American I can't find a enlistment in America. Can >>>anyone advise me where to look his name was Walter Wright I only have a >>>marriage certificate. Beryle Masom Australia. >>>************************************** >>>Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >>>superfluous old messages in replies. >>> >>>List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>************************************** >>Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >>superfluous old messages in replies. >> >>List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 16:10:15 -0700 > From: "Hambrook" <hambrooq@mail.ocis.net> > Subject: [MDX] change of email address > Cc: Middlesex <Middlesex_County_UK-L@rootsweb.com>, New Brunswick > <NewBrunswick-L@rootsweb.com>, gloucester@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <9757B52C42354AC1A358B613AE6CB580@owner7pb9thjaj> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > hambrooq@shaw.ca > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 07:45:39 +0100 > From: "Peter" <peterj.martin@lineone.net> > Subject: Re: [MDX] Ann GRAIN - lost in 1851 > To: <railton.david@btinternet.com>, <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001801cb556a$c7929d80$56b7d880$@martin@lineone.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > David, > > Certainly the index that I have to the 1851 Census of London does not pick > her out. However there are other Grain's about: > London 1851 Census index - Copyright S&N Genealogy Supplies 2005 > > > GRAIN HANNAH R Age:57 Piece:1484 PN:660 > FN:331 ST JAMES WESTMINSTER, ST JAMES'S SQUARE > GRAIN JAMES Age:59 Piece:1484 PN:660 > FN:331 ST JAMES WESTMINSTER, ST JAMES'S SQUARE > GRAIN JANE Age:67 Piece:1553 PN:672 > FN:337 STEPNEY, MILE END OLD TOWN LOWER > GRAIN MARY Age:64 Piece:1578 PN:017 > FN:008 WANDSWORTH, WANDSWORTH > GRAIN SUSAN Age:58 Piece:1591 PN:017 > FN:010 LEWISHAM, LEE-LEWISHAM VILLAGE-SYDENHAM > GRAIN SUSAN Age:65 Piece:1507 PN:364 > FN:184 ST GILES, ST GEORGE BLOOMSBURY > GRAIN THOMAS Age:63 Piece:1591 PN:017 > FN:010 LEWISHAM, LEE-LEWISHAM VILLAGE-SYDENHAM > GRAIN THOMAS Age:66 Piece:1507 PN:364 > FN:184 ST GILES, ST GEORGE BLOOMSBURY > > Peter > > > I am trying to find a lady by name of Ann GRAIN in the 1851 census. She > was > supposedly born in about 1789, place unknown. When she made her will in > 1850 > she described herself as being ".late of Devonshire Street, Portland Place > but now of Charles Street, Manchester Square.". When she died in 1853 she > was described as living at 79, Albany Street, Regents Park although the > death duty register gives 79, Upper Albany Street, Regents Park. > > I can't find her in the 1851 census, or the 1841. She will most likely be > described as being of independent means. > > Does anyone have any ideas? > Thank you. > David > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK list administrator, send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK mailing list, send an email > to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK Digest, Vol 5, Issue 198 > *************************************************** >

Margaret/Nivard, Living fairly locally I will go see what is left of that address and let you know! paul newell researching; NEWELL - Aldershot, Farnham, Middlesex, Lambeth, Deptford, England & Montana USA CARTER - Ashford, Hackney WILSON, CHAPLARD, REMON - Lambeth, Kennington, Shoreditch, Walthamstow Essex ATTFIELD - Surrey, Middlesex WALKER - Walthamstow Essex NEVILLE - Edmonton & Wood Green, Middlesex and Essex HATFIELD, CARTER - Shoreditch, Hackney, Houndsditch SHOPLAND - Richmond, Surrey & Devon WILSON, KARTER - Blythswood, Glasgow Message: 4 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 17:10:41 +0100 From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> Subject: Re: [MDX] Windmill Road Brentford To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <FB15F9334C1641E9AF71E378265E2017@claireac3e9bca> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Margaret If you go to google maps, enter 19 Windmill Road Brentford and on the subsequent map, drag the small yellow man onto the map where it shows the red A, you can then take a virtual walk up the street in street view It would appear numbers 19 to 23 no longer exist , I can see a number 17 and a 25 but nothing between, the site looks like its been redeveloped Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello, > > I was wondering if anyone lives on or near Windmill Road in Brentford and > could tell me if # 19 Windmill Road is still standing? My grandfather > William Adams was a porter at the Brentford train station until 1913 and > the family resided at # 19 Windmill Road until 1913 when they came here to > Canada. Thanks so much . > > Cheers, > Margaret Switzer > Komoka, Ontario > Canada.

Scott, Lemme know some more details. I am from Middlesex and prolly know the whys and wherefors. I live reasonably locally and have no problems accessing 'ancestry' or 'familysearch' nor even 'find my past.com'. regards paul newell researching; NEWELL - Aldershot, Farnham, Middlesex, Lambeth, Deptford, England & Montana USA CARTER - Ashford, Hackney WILSON, CHAPLARD, REMON - Lambeth, Kennington, Shoreditch, Walthamstow Essex ATTFIELD - Surrey, Middlesex WALKER - Walthamstow Essex NEVILLE - Edmonton & Wood Green, Middlesex and Essex HATFIELD, CARTER - Shoreditch, Hackney, Houndsditch SHOPLAND - Richmond, Surrey & Devon WILSON, KARTER - Blythswood, GlasgowMessage: 6 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 10:15:15 -0700 (PDT) From: mime <mykinmik@yahoo.com> Subject: [MDX] FamilySearch Middlesex To: Middlesex_County_UK@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <596420.9360.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hoping someone can provide me with some guidance.? I have been trying to trace the family in the mid 1700's in the Middlesex area.? But?in FamilySearch, the only option is for London Greater.? The area I am wanting to narrow is immediatley north of London Greater.? Any?suggestions as to what I might select from the list. Thank you for your help, Scott B Canada

Hi, I wonder if anyone can help. I have a James Yates Grimwood born 27 August 1849 in St. Brides, Fleet Street. I believe he may be the James Yates married to Emily Yates in the 1871 Census living at Rodney Road St. Mary Newington. If this is the James I am looing for his mother Mary Ann Yates Grimwood died in Newington in 1864. It appears that by this time they had dropped the Grimwood in favour of Yates. Please can anyone help. Thank you Sue in Suffolk

Thanks Judy for helping me rule out this possibility! Santa T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Lester" <jlester@btinternet.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [MDX] St Mary at Hill > I've just this minute checked the film of Ms.4546/1 at LMA, and I can > confirm that Ancestry have missed two pages (a single opening). These > pages contain all the marriages recorded at St Mary at Hill between 1742 > and 1753, but unfortunately the marriage that Santa is looking for is not > found there. > > HTH > > Judy > London, UK > > --- On Thu, 16/9/10, Cliff Webb <cliffwebbhistorian@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> From: Cliff Webb <cliffwebbhistorian@yahoo.co.uk> > >> The register of marriages which was Guildhall Library >> Ms4546 does not have a gap >> after 1741, or at least did not when W. Challen made a >> transcript of it in the >> 1930s. This transcript (which is still at the Guildhall >> Library) was used by >> Boyd to compile his index to London marriages, which index >> is also available on >> Origins. If the marriage is not in that section therefore >> it was not at St Mary >> at Hill. I assume the 'gap' 1741-54 is just due to Ancestry >> missing some pages >> in the digitisation, far, I fear, an unprecedented event!! >> Regards >> Cliff > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

79 Albany Street is here (but she's not) HO107 piece 1493 folio 396 page 27 There doesn't seem to be a 79 Upper Albany Street, but the entries for Albany Street start here HO107 piece1493 folio 430 if you want to trawl up the street. The burial register also gives her address as Upper Albany Street (no number) Anne South Australia David Railton wrote: > I am trying to find a lady by name of Ann GRAIN in the 1851 census. She was > supposedly born in about 1789, place unknown. When she made her will in 1850 > she described herself as being ".late of Devonshire Street, Portland Place > but now of Charles Street, Manchester Square.". When she died in 1853 she > was described as living at 79, Albany Street, Regents Park although the > death duty register gives 79, Upper Albany Street, Regents Park. > > > > I can't find her in the 1851 census, or the 1841. She will most likely be > described as being of independent means. > > > > Does anyone have any ideas? > > > > Thank you. > > > > David

I've just this minute checked the film of Ms.4546/1 at LMA, and I can confirm that Ancestry have missed two pages (a single opening). These pages contain all the marriages recorded at St Mary at Hill between 1742 and 1753, but unfortunately the marriage that Santa is looking for is not found there. HTH Judy London, UK --- On Thu, 16/9/10, Cliff Webb <cliffwebbhistorian@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > From: Cliff Webb <cliffwebbhistorian@yahoo.co.uk> > The register of marriages which was Guildhall Library > Ms4546 does not have a gap > after 1741, or at least did not when W. Challen made a > transcript of it in the > 1930s. This transcript (which is still at the Guildhall > Library) was used by > Boyd to compile his index to London marriages, which index > is also available on > Origins. If the marriage is not in that section therefore > it was not at St Mary > at Hill. I assume the 'gap' 1741-54 is just due to Ancestry > missing some pages > in the digitisation, far, I fear, an unprecedented event!! > Regards > Cliff

I have seen a reference to a boy being educated at 'Hebden's School' in Hounslow. This was in the 1770s. I can't find any reference to this school other than one reference on the web. Does anyone know anything about it? David

The register of marriages which was Guildhall Library Ms4546 does not have a gap after 1741, or at least did not when W. Challen made a transcript of it in the 1930s. This transcript (which is still at the Guildhall Library) was used by Boyd to compile his index to London marriages, which index is also available on Origins. If the marriage is not in that section therefore it was not at St Mary at Hill. I assume the 'gap' 1741-54 is just due to Ancestry missing some pages in the digitisation, far, I fear, an unprecedented event!! Regards Cliff

Thanks to all who have responded. It has been a very illuminating discussion. Even though my quarry does not appear there, it is well worth knowing that the records that Ancestry did not pick up indeed appear in Boyd's. Santa T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Webb" <cliffwebbhistorian@yahoo.co.uk> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [MDX] St Mary at Hill > > > The register of marriages which was Guildhall Library Ms4546 does not have > a gap > after 1741, or at least did not when W. Challen made a transcript of it in > the > 1930s. This transcript (which is still at the Guildhall Library) was used > by > Boyd to compile his index to London marriages, which index is also > available on > Origins. If the marriage is not in that section therefore it was not at St > Mary > at Hill. I assume the 'gap' 1741-54 is just due to Ancestry missing some > pages > in the digitisation, far, I fear, an unprecedented event!! > Regards > Cliff > > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

David, Apologies to all. I should have not sent my previous post to the list due to the copyright restrictions. Certainly the index that I have to the 1851 Census of London does not pick her out. However there are other Grain's about: Peter I am trying to find a lady by name of Ann GRAIN in the 1851 census. She was supposedly born in about 1789, place unknown. When she made her will in 1850 she described herself as being ".late of Devonshire Street, Portland Place but now of Charles Street, Manchester Square.". When she died in 1853 she was described as living at 79, Albany Street, Regents Park although the death duty register gives 79, Upper Albany Street, Regents Park. I can't find her in the 1851 census, or the 1841. She will most likely be described as being of independent means. Does anyone have any ideas? Thank you. David

David, Certainly the index that I have to the 1851 Census of London does not pick her out. However there are other Grain's about: London 1851 Census index - Copyright S&N Genealogy Supplies 2005 GRAIN HANNAH R Age:57 Piece:1484 PN:660 FN:331 ST JAMES WESTMINSTER, ST JAMES'S SQUARE GRAIN JAMES Age:59 Piece:1484 PN:660 FN:331 ST JAMES WESTMINSTER, ST JAMES'S SQUARE GRAIN JANE Age:67 Piece:1553 PN:672 FN:337 STEPNEY, MILE END OLD TOWN LOWER GRAIN MARY Age:64 Piece:1578 PN:017 FN:008 WANDSWORTH, WANDSWORTH GRAIN SUSAN Age:58 Piece:1591 PN:017 FN:010 LEWISHAM, LEE-LEWISHAM VILLAGE-SYDENHAM GRAIN SUSAN Age:65 Piece:1507 PN:364 FN:184 ST GILES, ST GEORGE BLOOMSBURY GRAIN THOMAS Age:63 Piece:1591 PN:017 FN:010 LEWISHAM, LEE-LEWISHAM VILLAGE-SYDENHAM GRAIN THOMAS Age:66 Piece:1507 PN:364 FN:184 ST GILES, ST GEORGE BLOOMSBURY Peter I am trying to find a lady by name of Ann GRAIN in the 1851 census. She was supposedly born in about 1789, place unknown. When she made her will in 1850 she described herself as being ".late of Devonshire Street, Portland Place but now of Charles Street, Manchester Square.". When she died in 1853 she was described as living at 79, Albany Street, Regents Park although the death duty register gives 79, Upper Albany Street, Regents Park. I can't find her in the 1851 census, or the 1841. She will most likely be described as being of independent means. Does anyone have any ideas? Thank you. David

Hello I have 2 sisters (Emma and Elizabeth Kate HINCHCLIFFE) who married men with the surname FLETCHER, who were both hairdressers, and whose fathers were both hairdressers (as was the girls father). I am wondering if the 2 men were related in some way, or just a coincidence. Thomas Robert FLETCHER bc1868 - in 1890, at his marriage to Elizabeth Kate he is living at  44 Millman Street  - father Henry John FLETCHER  hairdresser.(witness William FLETCHER). Thomas died before 1891 census, so I don't have his birthplace. William FLETCHER, born c 1857, Bloomsbury, - in 1879 at his marriage in Islington, to Emma  he is living at 7 York Road. His father was John FLETCHER, hairdresser. Withesses Robert FLETCHER and Ellen FLETCHER William and Emma are still at 7 York Road in 1881. I wondered where Thomas and William were living in 1871, and/or 1861. Thanks Glenys

I am trying to find a lady by name of Ann GRAIN in the 1851 census. She was supposedly born in about 1789, place unknown. When she made her will in 1850 she described herself as being ".late of Devonshire Street, Portland Place but now of Charles Street, Manchester Square.". When she died in 1853 she was described as living at 79, Albany Street, Regents Park although the death duty register gives 79, Upper Albany Street, Regents Park. I can't find her in the 1851 census, or the 1841. She will most likely be described as being of independent means. Does anyone have any ideas? Thank you. David

Cecily, hmmmmm in my research I found two of these little sweet hearts. One was known as Maud for no apparent reason and the other Jane, her middle name.... in my opinion Cecelia Elizabeth has a nice ring to it - can you chase info that cannot be altered, ie ages? judy in aus > Charani <charani.b@gmail.com> wrote: > > Raymond Devereux wrote: > > Hello could anyone tell me if a Cicely I have in my family tree could > > > possibly, hopefully pass for an Elizabeth? > > Cicely (or Cecily/Cecilia) isn't an alternative for Elizabeth. > > However, anyone can call themselves what they like so long as it isn't > for fraudulent purposes/reasons. > > Pet names don't have to be diminutives of the actual name. > > Maybe she was called "sis" (as in sister) and it graduated to Cicely, > or maybe she was really Cicely. Perhaps it was her middle name. > > Despite what many people like to believe, not all couples did actually > marry back then. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Hi Jenny I don't have a lot of information unfortunately. Her Husband was a Joseph Boardman from spitalfields london, and I have just found out that he remarried a Lydia Williams parish st saviour southwark in 1808. cicely?? died in 1803 and is buried at Bunhill Fields along with Joseph in 1817. Also Lydia is buried at Bunhill Fields in 1814. Cicely is also named as Grandmother on a Baptism for her granddaughter. But the marriage between Joseph and Elizabeth Culmore in 1762 at St Matthews Bethnal Green is the only marriage for a Joseph Boardman that I can find. As they appear to be non conformists maybe I have got it all wrong and there is a record out there somewhere for a Cicely, but I just cannot find it anywhere. Thanks for your interest. Sue > > If the marriage you have found was after the start of Civil > Registration, > July 1837, then what does the certificate give for the father of the > bride > Elizabeth? Does that match with what you know of your Cicely's > father? Or > have you not got the copy of the marriage? > > If you give the rest of us a few details about your Cicely such as > census > references etc., where you have found her, and when that marriage of > Elizabeth took place and where we might be able to help further in > some way. > > Regards > Jenny DeAngelis > Spain. > > <<> Hello could anyone tell me if a Cicely I have in my family tree > could >> possibly, hopefully pass for an Elizabeth? >> I have a record of the right year and place for a marriage as >> Elizabeth, >> but I know the wifes name was Cicely. >> Can't find any records for a Cicely at the time. Is this a possible >> chance please?>> > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM > AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Marriages from 1754 onwards are in the other database "London Marriages & Banns 1754..." (searchable and browsable). So the gap on Ancestry would appear to be 1741-1753. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Santa Traugott Sent: 15 September 2010 14:36 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDX] further to St. Mary at Hill marriages The parish book of St. Mary at Hill appears to have been reproduced in its entirety on Ancestry UK. It appears to be rather tightly bound into a greenish volume, complete with a leather strap to close it. The pages themselves are not numbered. Christenings go from image 1-106, and cover 1558-1803. Marriages of 1558-1741 start on image 107 and end abruptly at image 130 in 1741. Images 131-135 are christenings from 1805-1812. From 136 to the end are burials. I have been through the volume page by page and the missing marriages do not appear. It may be that there is an addendum to to this book that Ancestry simply didn't pick up. So I am very curious as to where the records for these marriages went, and somewhat dubious that they will appear on, e.g., a Family History library microfilm. As I mentioned earlier, they also do not appear in St. Andrew Hubbard with which St. Mary merged in 1690. So now I guess I am asking: what would be the reason these marriages were not recorded in the original parish book; where might they be recorded, and how would we know that sources that purport to contain St. Mary at Hill registers have actually included these "missing marriages" wherever they might have been found? [The marriage I am looking for is not on Britishorigins, sadly.] Santa T.

Hi Santa, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Santa Traugott" <strau@umich.edu> > The parish book of St. Mary at Hill appears to have been reproduced in its entirety on Ancestry > UK. It appears to be rather tightly bound into a greenish volume, complete with a leather strap > to close it. The pages themselves are not numbered. > Christenings go from image 1-106, and cover 1558-1803. Marriages of 1558-1741 start on image 107 > and end abruptly at image 130 in 1741. Images 131-135 are christenings from 1805-1812. From 136 > to the end are burials. I have been through the volume page by page and the missing marriages do > not appear. > It may be that there is an addendum to to this book that Ancestry simply didn't pick up. > So I am very curious as to where the records for these marriages went, and somewhat dubious that > they will appear on, e.g., a Family History library microfilm. > As I mentioned earlier, they also do not appear in St. Andrew Hubbard with which St. Mary merged > in 1690. > So now I guess I am asking: what would be the reason these marriages were not recorded in the > original parish book; where might they be recorded, and how would we know that sources that > purport to contain St. Mary at Hill registers have actually included these "missing marriages" > wherever they might have been found? > [The marriage I am looking for is not on Britishorigins, sadly.] > Santa T. According to the online catalogue of the LMA at http://search.lma.gov.uk/scripts/mwimain.dll/547?ADVANCEFORM&DATABASE=LMA_DESCRIPTION they have for St.Mary at Hill Register of marriages. Reference Code:P69/MRY4/A/006/MS04548 Level of description:File Parent Reference:P69/MRY4/A Site Location:London Metropolitan Archives Former Reference:MS 04548 Dates of Creation:1813 - 1837 Extent:1 volume and Registers of marriages 1754-1812 and banns 1754-1813 of the united parishes of St Mary at Hill and St Andrew Hubbard. Reference Code:P69/MRY4/A/005 Level of description:Series Parent Reference:P69/MRY4/A Site Location:London Metropolitan Archives Former Reference:MS 04547 Dates of Creation:1754 - 1813 Extent:2 volumes Scope - Content:Vol.2 includes one marriage dated September 1783 and Register of baptisms 1558-1812, marriages 1558/9-1754 and burials 1558-1812. Includes baptisms and burials from St Andrew Hubbard 1742-1812. Reference Code:P69/MRY4/A/001/MS04546 Level of description:File Parent Reference:P69/MRY4/A Site Location:London Metropolitan Archives Former Reference:MS 04546 Dates of Creation:1558 - 1812 Extent:1v, vellum Scope - Content:Baptisms 1805-12 have been entered after the marriage registrations It looks as if this last is what you examined at Ancestry, and for some reason the post 1741 marriages have not been picked up. It might be worth an e-mail to the LMA to check that this is, in fact, the case, and that the marriages are present in the original volume. The writing showing through on image 130 does *not* match that on Image 131!! REgards John Henley

What does the marriage certificate say about his occupation and address? What was your auntie's name? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beryle" <wesma8@bigpond.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:12 PM Subject: [MDX] war enlistment >I have a question that may not be answered here but I am stuck. I have a relation who was a bombardier in the royal artillery when he married my husbands aunt in portsmouth uk I think he was from Vermont usa which would make him a American I can't find a enlistment in America. Can anyone advise me where to look his name was Walter Wright I only have a marriage certificate. Beryle Masom Australia. > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a question that may not be answered here but I am stuck. I have a relation who was a bombardier in the royal artillery when he married my husbands aunt in portsmouth uk I think he was from Vermont usa which would make him a American I can't find a enlistment in America. Can anyone advise me where to look his name was Walter Wright I only have a marriage certificate. Beryle Masom Australia.