Hi dianne, try this site. Good luck, Robyn of Oz. <http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm> On 28/09/2010, at 10:14 AM, Dianne Cheesewright wrote: > Where please, do I look to find out what happened to him? > Any help gratefully accepted! > Dianne. >

Hi Dianne, http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/images/1842/N/general/39.pdf lists him as having received his ticket of leave in 1842. He was living in Parramatta...I just googled his name and got this link. A great website is http://www.claimaconvict.net/ . He does not appear on the list of "claimed" convicts, which presumably means that no-one else has researched him, but you can add him to the list. It is a very informative site about the convict system and how to research convicts. The associated Rootsweb mailing list is also very helpful and knowledgeable. Jan South Australia >From there he travelled to New South Wales on the ship "Earl Grey" surviving the journey and arriving there in New South Wales in 1838. Where please, do I look to find out what happened to him? Any help gratefully accepted! Dianne.

Googling "NSW convict records" gives lots of information and online databases. Some records are on Ancestry.com.au as well. Anne South Australia Dianne Cheesewright wrote: > At last a black sheep! >> From original sources I have the following: > William CHEESEWRIGHT, born London circa 1813, waterman , was tried and convicted of larceny at the Central > Criminal Court on 18 September 1837. A single man, aged 24,who could both read and write ,he was sentenced > to 7 years and to be transported. He was received at the hulk "Justicia" , berthed at Woolwich, on 5 > October 1837. >> From there he travelled to New South Wales on the ship "Earl Grey" surviving the journey and arriving >> there in New South Wales in 1838. > Where please, do I look to find out what happened to him? Any help gratefully accepted! Dianne. >

Have you tried (if you'll excuse the pun!!) Old Bailey online. This won't give you anything about William Cheesewright's later life, but may give details of his trial, including the evidence against him Regards Cliff Webb

gremlins at work the 1948 should read 1848 thanks don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" <myhobbies@tampabay.rr.com> To: <MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 6:38 PM Subject: [MDX] Access by SKS to LMA-London Metropolian Archives >I am looking for a baptism of Rebecca Watts d/o of Richard and Sarah Watts > Her bd believed to be Sept 1847 > > I believe her to have been baptized first week of January 1948. > I used Ancestry.com and found an entry that I think is her baptism > St Marys Baptism Record on page 20 for the entry I want BUT is almost > unreadable. On page 20, second entry appears to be the one. > > A lister responded that perhaps there is SKS that would have access to LMA > London Metropolitan Archives that could get a better copy. Or extract the > information. > > Information > Rebecca Watts > daughter of Richard and Sarah Watts > birth believed to be Fall 1947 > St. Marys Islington, Middlesex County > > Information needed > baptism date > birth date > middle name > confirmation that this entry is indeed for Rebecca Watts daughter of > Richard > and Sarah. Richards occupation was a mason > > > Thank you > Don Chinnery > Sun City Center FL > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At last a black sheep! >From original sources I have the following: William CHEESEWRIGHT, born London circa 1813, waterman , was tried and convicted of larceny at the Central Criminal Court on 18 September 1837. A single man, aged 24,who could both read and write ,he was sentenced to 7 years and to be transported. He was received at the hulk "Justicia" , berthed at Woolwich, on 5 October 1837. >From there he travelled to New South Wales on the ship "Earl Grey" surviving the journey and arriving there in New South Wales in 1838. Where please, do I look to find out what happened to him? Any help gratefully accepted! Dianne.

I am looking for a baptism of Rebecca Watts d/o of Richard and Sarah Watts Her bd believed to be Sept 1847 I believe her to have been baptized first week of January 1948. I used Ancestry.com and found an entry that I think is her baptism St Marys Baptism Record on page 20 for the entry I want BUT is almost unreadable. On page 20, second entry appears to be the one. A lister responded that perhaps there is SKS that would have access to LMA London Metropolitan Archives that could get a better copy. Or extract the information. Information Rebecca Watts daughter of Richard and Sarah Watts birth believed to be Fall 1947 St. Marys Islington, Middlesex County Information needed baptism date birth date middle name confirmation that this entry is indeed for Rebecca Watts daughter of Richard and Sarah. Richards occupation was a mason Thank you Don Chinnery Sun City Center FL

Courtesy of Ancestry.com Paris, France & Vicinity Marriage Banns, 1860-1902 (in French) date 30 Oct 1881 name Justine Leontine Duclos daughter of Emas Louis and Louise Hugé Address R de la Harper? 21 Unfortunately Henri Auguste's parentage is not given in these banns. No other marriage for him on this list. There is a marriage in Paris, France & Vicinity Marriages, 1700-1907 (in French) It comes in two parts which I have put together: 8 Apr 1856: Sainte-Madeleine Jacques Auguste MENEREAU address: neuve St Augustin 50 son of Jacques and Marié Aime Rigolet spouse MOUSSIN Louise Henriett MOUSSIN - Veuve de Etme Rocheron address: v neuve St Augustin 50 dau of Denis and Adelaide Guillaume spouse MENEREAU As well as Roman Catholic there are also French Protestant churches. Most of the latter churches have been indexed and/or transcribed by the Hugenot Society, who have published many records, and some of these have been filmed and are available via the LDS Family History Centers. Search their library for the film numbers - Googling also gets you to the London fhc catalogue which might provide added clues. There is a French Protestant Church, Soho Square whose very recent records are held by Westminster Archives I believe. TNA "Your Archives" section has an article about Soho Square which contains reference to the Church. Further googling may help. You mention the BMD registers - are these the ones on S&N The Genealogist? If so they are usually pre 1837 and indexed by the LDS on the IGI. FreeBMD has deaths in Sep qtr of 1912 both at Pancras RD Henry A Menereau aged 52 and Lily L Menereau aged 9. There's als a birth in Mar qtr 1920 for Reginald D E MENEREAU mother RIDING also Pancras RD, and another in Mar qtr 1923 for Marjorie E Menereau mother Riding this one in Portsmouth RD, followed by Jun qtr 1928 Patricia L Menereau mother Riding also Portsmouth RD - this last married Colingridge in Sep qtr 1947 in Portsmouth RD There's another Reginald birth Dec qtr 1928 Reginald F E Menereau mother Brooks at Pancras RD I'll leave you to look for all the others! HTH JK On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Charani <charani.b@gmail.com> wrote: > Background > > Henri Auguste MENEREAU was born in France (not too surprisingly! :)) ) > about 1860.  I have no idea eactly where so his parentage will remain > unknown.  I'm not sure when he arrived in England but he was certainly > here by 1886 when he married either Maria Victoria TANQUERAY or Mary > Ann WRIGHT.  My feeling is he married Maria Victoria. > > I've found Henri in the 1891 census but no sign of his wife.  He's an > hotel keeper's clerk boarding at 113, Euston Street, St Pancras and > says he's married. > > I cannot find him in the 1901 census but he may have been visiting > family in France. > > He appears in the 1911 census with 6 of his 7 children (one having > died) but with a wife called Hannah and claiming to have been married > 18 years making a marriage date of about 1893.  I know which child he > lost: Alice Rachel H age 1. > > I've not been able to find this marriage.  The eldest son, Reginald > (bc 1895), has either not been registered or has been missed off the > GRO index.  He would appear to be Hannah's son and there don't appear > to have been any children from Henri's 1886 marriage. > > I've had a ferret on Ancestry's London Parishes at the library without > success but it's possible the birth was registered in the City of > Westminster as Henri's second son was registered in Kensington.  The > third and subsequent children were all registered in St Pancras but > their baptisms are there either.  It's quite likely they were Roman > Catholic but there's nothing coming up on the non conformist BMD > Registers. > > This is a new discovery so I haven't had a chance to get any > certificates as yet. > > Questions: > > Can anyone identify Henri's first wife and what happened to her? > Can anyone find his apparent second marriage to Hannah and who she was? > Can anyone locate Reginald's birth? > > At the moment, I'm stumped, so any help would be much appreciated. >

Yes I think they are having a good laugh as well Regards Janice -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: 27 September 2010 15:21 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] A bit of a Mystery How to confuse in one easy lesson!! :) No, that isn't thunder you hear or the soughing of the wind. It's the family rolling around on fluffy clouds laughing their heads off!! <VBG> -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Janice12 wrote: > My thoughts, I am hoping I can contact my cousin somehow but lost his e-mail > addy he would know if he had an uncle who was his dad's brother, what also > makes this hard is that George James married Doris Smith her mum's dad & > George's dad were brothers anyway & Eliza Storey nee Chidgey well she > married another brother who died before Marrying George Henry & having > George James & the other George How to confuse in one easy lesson!! :) No, that isn't thunder you hear or the soughing of the wind. It's the family rolling around on fluffy clouds laughing their heads off!! <VBG> -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

My thoughts, I am hoping I can contact my cousin somehow but lost his e-mail addy he would know if he had an uncle who was his dad's brother, what also makes this hard is that George James married Doris Smith her mum's dad & George's dad were brothers anyway & Eliza Storey nee Chidgey well she married another brother who died before Marrying George Henry & having George James & the other George Regards Janice -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Sent: 27 September 2010 14:29 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] A bit of a Mystery It may just be they hadn't thought of a name for him yet as he was only 2 days old, so just called him George too! Jane :o)

That is what I think that was why I looked at other Storey's born in that time period Regards Janice -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of michael Sent: 27 September 2010 14:23 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] A bit of a Mystery The thought crosses my mind that maybe their babies were all given the same first name and known by their second name. Perhaps at two days old the second name had not been chosen Michael Allbrook

I have just started to really look in to the 2nd child & have a few lines to follow Janice -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: 27 September 2010 13:52 To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDX] A bit of a Mystery Janice12 wrote: > I have a bit of a mystery I have on the 1911 census a family George & > Eliza Storey in Bethnal Green now on it they say they have 2 sons > George James Storey age 1 I know he was born September 1909 then there > is another son George 2 days old > > Why on earth would they call the 2nd son the same name as the 1st > especially as he not died & in fact he lives until 1989 but can't find > much more about the 2nd George It could be the elder of the two was very ill and not expected to survive when the younger one was born so the new baby was given the same name. Not such an unusual occurrence as it might seem. One was a foster child who was mistakenly given the family's surname. The second son was mistakenly given the same name as his older sibling. One was a nephew but given as a son by mistake. There could be any number of other reasons that there's no way of knowing now. > So thoughts on this would be appreciated, I did find 2 births one in > Pancras for an Arthur & another in Hackney for a Joseph Have you followed these up to see if either might be one of the brothers or related in some way? I've not looked at the 1911 census as it may be in contravention of the T+Cs covering it. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Background Henri Auguste MENEREAU was born in France (not too surprisingly! :)) ) about 1860. I have no idea eactly where so his parentage will remain unknown. I'm not sure when he arrived in England but he was certainly here by 1886 when he married either Maria Victoria TANQUERAY or Mary Ann WRIGHT. My feeling is he married Maria Victoria. I've found Henri in the 1891 census but no sign of his wife. He's an hotel keeper's clerk boarding at 113, Euston Street, St Pancras and says he's married. I cannot find him in the 1901 census but he may have been visiting family in France. He appears in the 1911 census with 6 of his 7 children (one having died) but with a wife called Hannah and claiming to have been married 18 years making a marriage date of about 1893. I know which child he lost: Alice Rachel H age 1. I've not been able to find this marriage. The eldest son, Reginald (bc 1895), has either not been registered or has been missed off the GRO index. He would appear to be Hannah's son and there don't appear to have been any children from Henri's 1886 marriage. I've had a ferret on Ancestry's London Parishes at the library without success but it's possible the birth was registered in the City of Westminster as Henri's second son was registered in Kensington. The third and subsequent children were all registered in St Pancras but their baptisms are there either. It's quite likely they were Roman Catholic but there's nothing coming up on the non conformist BMD Registers. This is a new discovery so I haven't had a chance to get any certificates as yet. Questions: Can anyone identify Henri's first wife and what happened to her? Can anyone find his apparent second marriage to Hannah and who she was? Can anyone locate Reginald's birth? At the moment, I'm stumped, so any help would be much appreciated. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

It may just be they hadn't thought of a name for him yet as he was only 2 days old, so just called him George too! Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <charani.b@gmail.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [MDX] A bit of a Mystery > Janice12 wrote: > >> I have a bit of a mystery I have on the 1911 census a family George & >> Eliza >> Storey in Bethnal Green now on it they say they have 2 sons George James >> Storey age 1 I know he was born September 1909 then there is another son >> George 2 days old >> >> Why on earth would they call the 2nd son the same name as the 1st >> especially >> as he not died & in fact he lives until 1989 but can't find much more >> about >> the 2nd George > > It could be the elder of the two was very ill and not expected to > survive when the younger one was born so the new baby was given the > same name. Not such an unusual occurrence as it might seem. > > One was a foster child who was mistakenly given the family's surname. > > The second son was mistakenly given the same name as his older sibling. > > One was a nephew but given as a son by mistake. > > There could be any number of other reasons that there's no way of > knowing now. > >> So thoughts on this would be appreciated, I did find 2 births one in >> Pancras >> for an Arthur & another in Hackney for a Joseph > > Have you followed these up to see if either might be one of the > brothers or related in some way? > > I've not looked at the 1911 census as it may be in contravention of > the T+Cs covering it. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3161 - Release Date: 09/26/10 19:40:00

The thought crosses my mind that maybe their babies were all given the same first name and known by their second name. Perhaps at two days old the second name had not been chosen Michael Allbrook -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janice12 Sent: 27 September 2010 13:20 To: Middlesex List ) Subject: [MDX] A bit of a Mystery Hi All I have a bit of a mystery I have on the 1911 census a family George & Eliza Storey in Bethnal Green now on it they say they have 2 sons George James Storey age 1 I know he was born September 1909 then there is another son George 2 days old Why on earth would they call the 2nd son the same name as the 1st especially as he not died & in fact he lives until 1989 but can't find much more about the 2nd George The census shows the address as 43 Duncan Sq. London Fields Hackney So thoughts on this would be appreciated, I did find 2 births one in Pancras for an Arthur & another in Hackney for a Joseph Regards Janice ************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janice12 wrote: > I have a bit of a mystery I have on the 1911 census a family George & Eliza > Storey in Bethnal Green now on it they say they have 2 sons George James > Storey age 1 I know he was born September 1909 then there is another son > George 2 days old > > Why on earth would they call the 2nd son the same name as the 1st especially > as he not died & in fact he lives until 1989 but can't find much more about > the 2nd George It could be the elder of the two was very ill and not expected to survive when the younger one was born so the new baby was given the same name. Not such an unusual occurrence as it might seem. One was a foster child who was mistakenly given the family's surname. The second son was mistakenly given the same name as his older sibling. One was a nephew but given as a son by mistake. There could be any number of other reasons that there's no way of knowing now. > So thoughts on this would be appreciated, I did find 2 births one in Pancras > for an Arthur & another in Hackney for a Joseph Have you followed these up to see if either might be one of the brothers or related in some way? I've not looked at the 1911 census as it may be in contravention of the T+Cs covering it. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Hi All I have a bit of a mystery I have on the 1911 census a family George & Eliza Storey in Bethnal Green now on it they say they have 2 sons George James Storey age 1 I know he was born September 1909 then there is another son George 2 days old Why on earth would they call the 2nd son the same name as the 1st especially as he not died & in fact he lives until 1989 but can't find much more about the 2nd George The census shows the address as 43 Duncan Sq. London Fields Hackney So thoughts on this would be appreciated, I did find 2 births one in Pancras for an Arthur & another in Hackney for a Joseph Regards Janice

Many thanks to all those who put forward suggestions as to why the mother's name was missing from the baptism entry.

Thank you very much for the information you provided. I did look at the site, however I did not find any Carmody that you said were there, from 1937 on. Nor any tree or address to send query to, there fore unable to contact them, but I do appreciate your info. Pat On Sep 25, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Neil & Jan Hearn wrote: > Dear Pat, > I've had a look on Genes Reunited and there are 29 > Carmodys there many of them born around the area you are searching in. > One is a Patrick CARMODY, born in 1937 in West Drayton.You could save > yourself a lot of time and money by contacting the tree owners. > > Best of luck, > Jan > in sunny Queensland > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Lewis" <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> > To: "county cork" <irl-cork@rootsweb.com>; "rootsweb.com > middlesex_county_uk" <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:47 AM > Subject: [MDX] Looking for help > > >> My great grandparents came from West Cork, town unknown but possibly >> near Kilbrin or Liscarroll areas. I have the names of the great >> grandparents who because of the famines in 1850's made their way over >> to England ( Middlesex area) for work. My great grand father, Denis >> Mulcahy was a agricultural labourer/farmer, according to British >> census of 1871-1901. >> At some point in time during the 1880's a cousin/nephew of Denis, made >> his way over from Kilbrin. He was Patrick Carmody to stay in same area >> as my great grandparents. >> Denis and wife, Johanna had 4 children, Patrick, Johanna/Annie, John, >> and Denis. Only John made it to the USA, became a citizen and joined >> the US Army, then married a widow, Nora Mulcahy Sullivan, from >> Kanturk, >> Cork. >> I know that the other 3 children stayed in Middlesex area, Patrick >> was >> a guard at asylum in W. Drayton,and stayed single, Annie married a >> John >> Carter, Denis joined the Metropolitan Police, also stayed single. I >> have managed to trace thru the Carter family, some info as to family >> but no one knows exactly where in Cork, the parents Johanna and Denis >> Carmody came from to be able to trace back any info, in over 40 years >> of tracking. >> >> I am now trying to concentrate on the cousin Patrick Carmody of >> Kilbrin >> , he married a Norah Healy about 1887 near Uxbridge, I think. They >> worked and lived at St. Mary's Orpahange, last known to be a farm hand >> there . Together, they had 11 children, among them a Michael, Thomas, >> Hannah, Margaret, Andrew, Ellen, Kate, Norah, and probably a Mary. ( >> That's all the names I could find). >> I am hoping to find a descendent of one of the children who might have >> some family info/lore of the Carmody family. >> If anyone knows someone by the last name Carmody, please pass this on. >> I am hoping some kind soul would make a copy of the current telephone >> directory of Middlesex , and mail me a copy, so I could possibly >> snail >> mail the people and see IF they would have any knowledge of these >> illusive Carmody's from the past. >> I would gladly pay charges of copy and snail mailing. >> I am clutching at straws here, I know, but after all the years and >> money spent I can only try one more time. >> I live in Florida, USA. >> I have tried the 192.com site but it would cost a small fortune for >> site listings to join for the info they have. I could probably fly >> over >> and stay a day or so and make copy myself, with the costs of >> Ancestry, >> 192.com and others. >> >> Thank you for any help you can give. >> >> I never got to know my grandparents as they died before I was born. My >> Father knew little about the family when I finally got to be with him >> as an adult my having grown up in RC homes.I would love to know some >> info of the family before I meet them face to face someday (LOL). >> >> ************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >