Thanks to all who gave me leads to follow my black sheep, William. I am busy being a sheep dog in Australia! Dianne.

The SoG based in in Clerkenwell have an Open Day this month. 25 Oct 11:00am to 4:00pm Free tours of the Society of Genealogists Library, a look at some of its collections and free family history research advice are on offer. Beginners welcome, no need to pre-book. Note: the library will be closed to research this day. To book a place contact: Society of Genealogists 14 Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Road London EC1M 7BA http://www.sog.org.uk Tel: 020 7553 3290 events@sog.org.uk Ann Middx Admin

Thankyou very much I will try this today Sincerely Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ingrid billings" <ingrid@cumorah.demon.co.uk> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [MDX] Little Ilford Essex Middlesex > Hi Jill, > > Maybe this will help: > > Phone: 0208 534 1486 > > Email :info@mpark.co.uk > > Address: Manor Park Cemetery > Sebert Road > Forest Gate > London > E7 0NP > > They were very helpful when I visited a couple of years back. > > Ingrid Billings > > > To: MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MDX] Little Ilford Essex Middlesex > > I am not sure if I am on the correct list? > I am looking for the burial index for The Manor Park cemetery > in Little Ilford Essex? > Can anyone help me? please > this is what I have > [Christian name no known] MORLEY > Died: 27 September 1879 > aged 1 years and 9 months > Interred in the Manor Park Cemetery > Little Ilford, Essex > plot No. 352 or 131 in a square > > I looked at the birth on Ancestry.com and I think it could be > William Dawson MORLEY assuming it is a he > > His grandmother was Mary DAWSON who married William MORLEY > so the names match up? > > > Advice or help here will be very gratefully received > Thankyou in anticipation > > Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY > OPC for the village Winterborne Kingston in Dorset - www.opcdorset.org > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat Lewis wrote: > First, thank you for this information. I will have to "try" and see > if i can get access in some way. Try your local library. Many libraries have Ancestry Library Edition. In the UK access is via a library card either in the library or at home depending on the licence. In library access generally comes with possibility to download the images to your own flash drive. If you don't have one you can buy one from them. Obvously things may be a bit different for you in America. There were problems with access via the LDS but I think that's been sorted out now. If so, your local LDS FHC might be an option. > I do not belong to Ancestry , altho I did back in the 1990's [...] > I had a continuous battle with them for almost 6 mnths to > UNsubscribe, and get a refund for charges when I had told them I > was quitting and they extended anyway. That was a significat problem until fairly recently but Ancestry have now got their act together and there are rarely any problems now. If there are, it's usually because the would be former subscriber has not followed the instructions to unsubscribe correctly. No doubt someone (or two) will post now to say they DID follow the instructions and DID have problems. That being so, it isn't usually a problem. I take out a monthly sub to Ancestry periodically > I do not trust Ancestry, and I do NOT do any more financial > transactions or give my credit card #s to anyone, or checking > acc't.!!! Both your bank and credit card provider should be awake to your purchasing patterns and alert to possible anomalies as my bank was when someone randomly chose my card number to try to make a purchase. My bank blocked the transaction, suspended my card and re-issued it. No matter how careful you are, there is no way to stop someone randomly using your card details to make a purchase. I still had my card with me but someone with a number close to mine had had theirs stolen. > I would send a cashier check if there was a actual business > address to a company thru snail mail, but most ancestral sites only > want the info by electronic transfer, thru credit co. or bank. Once > burned -twice shy!!! especially with so much fraud going on today > and stolen ID. Whilst fraud and ID fraud are indeed a problem and the news is full of incidents, there are considerably more people who do NOT have any problems because they are careful and cautious. When making purhcases online that means making sure the checkout is has HTTPS in the URL and a padlock symbol by the systray and not making purchases if both these are missing. > I would prefer dealing with someone who does belong, who would copy > and send the info and pay them for the time and expense of snail > mail. Ancestry allows a limited amount of sending images to non-subscribed third parties. FindMyPast prohibits ALL looks ups in ALL databases, esp the 1911 census. This is thanks to a handful of people who abused the system and a few who actually offered a look up service (and lost their accounts in the process). The rules were made very clear and FMP (as parent company BrightSolid) does monitor the mailing lists and news groups. Most other sites have a similar restriction, so asking others to help your research is putting their own at risk. Some sites do allow the purchase of vouchers through physical agencies. It could be worth seeing if any shops or organisations in your vicinity do sell vouchers over the counter which you could use. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Judy, I realized I sent my thanks to you off list and just wanted to thank you on list for your help. I'm a newbie to lists so forgive me please, I'm still learning. Thank you, Val ----- Original Message ----- Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:17:38 +0100 From: "Judy Lester" <jlester@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [MDX] Middlesex Deeds Registry To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com>, "'Valerie Stubaus'" <bvts@comcast.net> Message-ID: <61002.92698.qm@smtp817.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Val, These are not land transactions, but simply a lease that is changing hands. The land itself will have belonged to a freeholder, not named here, but probably the dukes of Bedford who owned the Bedford Estate. It would appear that James ROSE died intestate (without a will), since the administration (admon) of his estate is referred to in the second indenture. The index to death duty registers (accessible on Find My Past) indicates that letters of administration in relation to the estate of James ROSE were granted in 1856 to Wm George ROSE of Holborn Hill. As regards Francis Street itself, when the relevant volume of the "Survey of London" was published in 1949 ... http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=65175 "There are only two old houses left on the north side of the former Francis Street, No. 13, a large house of early 19th-century date, of four storeys with an arched doorway flanked by two windows on each side, and a similar house to the east which has two shops and is much damaged." A virtual "walk" down Torrington Place as far as Gower Street, using Google Maps Street View (pull down the orange man), should show you whether anything still remains of the old houses that were in Francis Street. I suspect not. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Valerie Stubaus I have copies of some indentures from the Middlesex Deeds Registry and was hoping someone might be able to explain to me the land transactions. The first is 4/392 dated 23 Feb 1855 James Rose did "grant bargain sell & demise" unto Edward Penton & William Snowdon Yard property on the south side of Francis Street no.19 for a term of 21 years. It mentions a previous indenture I still need to obtain. Second on 4 Oct 1858 indenture 13/127 James Rose's son William George Rose (admon of James Rose late of no. 19 Francis Street) did "grant bargain sell & demise" unto Catherine Rose widow of 19 Francis that same piece of property along with others on Upper Chenies Mews. James Rose died Feb 1856 and I have found no will or probate records. A third indenture 14/422 dated 9 Nov 1858 Catherine Rose did "grant bargain sell & demise" the same no.19 Francis Street to John Woodward for a term of 21 years. She is still living at no. 19 Francis Street. Three other indentures in Dec 1858 Catherine Rose is late of no.19 Francis Street but now of Huntley Street and is selling/transferring the other properties on Upper Chenies Mews. It makes sense to me in the second indenture the property is being transferred to the widow from her son but wasn't the property already sold/transferred from the first indenture? I understand that sometimes land was used to raise capital and if this is the case in the first indenture how is it different from the third where it seems the property finally did change hands? The wording in all of them is almost identical. Also, does anyone know if what was no. 19 Francis Street is still there? I believe Francis Street is now called Torrington Place. Thank you in advance, Val in CT

Please read message to Middlesex list with titile/subject thhank you charaini On Oct 1, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Jenny De Angelis wrote: > Hi Jan, > > There is someone who has a SPILLARD family tree on the Ancestry site > that > includes a Patrick CARMODY born about 1841 living at St. Marylebone. > The > 1851 census entry quoted by the tree owner shows parents James Carmody > and > Catherine. Siblings are shown as Mary, James, William & Catherine the > baby > of the family. There is also a Catherine Maloney in the household > aged 20 > who is a married daughter of James and Catherine Carmody. James & > Catherine > were both born Ireland but all children shown born Marylebone. > The reference for that 1851 census entry is HO107 piece 1486 folio 79 > page > 34 > > You would have to be a subscriber to Ancestry.co.uk to be able to > contact > the tree owner but you can buy pay per view units for the site. Just > 6.95GBP > allows you 14 days use and you can view 12 pages during those days, 1 > unit = > 1 view over the whole of ancestry.co.uk . Could be worth the cost > if it > means you make contact with the owner of that tree, and can see what > other > Carmody family she has found perhaps > > If you buy any units or a take up any free trial to the Ancestry site > you > "must" remember to cancel the subscription or free Trial a couple of > days > before the period comes to an end, as per the instructions given when > you > sign up. If you fail to Cancel then your credit card will be charged > for a > years subscription to the site. There is a simple Cancelation system > to use, > the onus is on you to Cancel and not on Ancestry to unsubscribe you. > So > make sure you read the Terms and Conditions, see link to T&Cs at the > bottom > of the home page, before you sign up and understand what you are > signing up > to, if you do choose to subscribe. > > Regards > Jenny DeAngelis > Spain. > > << census of the whole Patrick Carmody family, and someone is >>> going to try and check on Genes Reunited for me to see IF anyone on >>> there has any relationship to the family. >>> It's my last hope of ever finding out a possibility of info on my >>> direct Carmody family. Unfortunately, I cannot get thru the genes >>> site >>> to post a message direct nor find the ones you mention. >>> Thank again.>> > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Oct 1, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Charani wrote: > Pat Lewis wrote: >> First, thank you for this information. I will have to "try" and see >> if i can get access in some way. > > Try your local library. Many libraries have Ancestry Library Edition. > In the UK access is via a library card either in the library or at > home depending on the licence. In library access generally comes with > possibility to download the images to your own flash drive. If you > don't have one you can buy one from them. Obvously things may be a > bit different for you in America. I do go to my public library but they only have Ancestry as far as census is concerned not access to other genealogy sites. Charge for copies of censu which is all they actually have is 10 cents US. In over 40 years I have gone to just about every genealogy site there is looking, I didn't just decide t do this and say "Help"....I have used LDS for more than 20 years but neither site has got me any closer than knowing where my ancestors were thru census records. The nearest LDS is a 30 mile trip one way, so I do not go too often anymore. I have been able to get certificates of birth,death and marriage thru them cheaper tho then sending to state archives. Most records still not found on many relatives- such as grandparents marriage, since license were not required, and not knowing whre the bride lived when they married, only where she lived when a widow...and the church records moved somewhere adn unfound tho I have checked 6 possibilities. My grandparents are only shown on one census and the info must have been given by a friend/neighbor as one of the names is wrong and looks like grandpa had two wives...one being his step daughter.....They are NOT in any other census! Grandmother died in 1914, grandfather in 1926 and not in 1920 census at all, and neither is my Father in 1920 or 1930, and I doubt in 1940 there will be a listing for him or my Mother and I. What I am trying to find i a relation to my great grandparents being a nephew or cousin, who would possibly have family info/lore about the Carmody family in Ireland before they moved to Middlesex in late1860's. It is clutching at a straw, I know. I have about exhausted Irish sites where they possibly came from in Cork. Thanks anyway. > > There were problems with access via the LDS but I think that's been > sorted out now. If so, your local LDS FHC might be an option. > >> I do not belong to Ancestry , altho I did back in the 1990's [...] >> I had a continuous battle with them for almost 6 mnths to >> UNsubscribe, and get a refund for charges when I had told them I >> was quitting and they extended anyway. > > That was a significat problem until fairly recently but Ancestry have > now got their act together and there are rarely any problems now. If > there are, it's usually because the would be former subscriber has not > followed the instructions to unsubscribe correctly. > > No doubt someone (or two) will post now to say they DID follow the > instructions and DID have problems. That being so, it isn't usually a > problem. I take out a monthly sub to Ancestry periodically > >> I do not trust Ancestry, and I do NOT do any more financial >> transactions or give my credit card #s to anyone, or checking >> acc't.!!! > > Both your bank and credit card provider should be awake to your > purchasing patterns and alert to possible anomalies as my bank was > when someone randomly chose my card number to try to make a purchase. > My bank blocked the transaction, suspended my card and re-issued it. > > No matter how careful you are, there is no way to stop someone > randomly using your card details to make a purchase. I still had my > card with me but someone with a number close to mine had had theirs > stolen. > >> I would send a cashier check if there was a actual business >> address to a company thru snail mail, but most ancestral sites only >> want the info by electronic transfer, thru credit co. or bank. Once >> burned -twice shy!!! especially with so much fraud going on today >> and stolen ID. > > Whilst fraud and ID fraud are indeed a problem and the news is full of > incidents, there are considerably more people who do NOT have any > problems because they are careful and cautious. When making purhcases > online that means making sure the checkout is has HTTPS in the URL and > a padlock symbol by the systray and not making purchases if both these > are missing. > >> I would prefer dealing with someone who does belong, who would copy >> and send the info and pay them for the time and expense of snail >> mail. > > Ancestry allows a limited amount of sending images to non-subscribed > third parties. > > FindMyPast prohibits ALL looks ups in ALL databases, esp the 1911 > census. This is thanks to a handful of people who abused the system > and a few who actually offered a look up service (and lost their > accounts in the process). The rules were made very clear and FMP (as > parent company BrightSolid) does monitor the mailing lists and news > groups. > > Most other sites have a similar restriction, so asking others to help > your research is putting their own at risk. > > Some sites do allow the purchase of vouchers through physical > agencies. It could be worth seeing if any shops or organisations in > your vicinity do sell vouchers over the counter which you could use. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jan, There is someone who has a SPILLARD family tree on the Ancestry site that includes a Patrick CARMODY born about 1841 living at St. Marylebone. The 1851 census entry quoted by the tree owner shows parents James Carmody and Catherine. Siblings are shown as Mary, James, William & Catherine the baby of the family. There is also a Catherine Maloney in the household aged 20 who is a married daughter of James and Catherine Carmody. James & Catherine were both born Ireland but all children shown born Marylebone. The reference for that 1851 census entry is HO107 piece 1486 folio 79 page 34 You would have to be a subscriber to Ancestry.co.uk to be able to contact the tree owner but you can buy pay per view units for the site. Just 6.95GBP allows you 14 days use and you can view 12 pages during those days, 1 unit = 1 view over the whole of ancestry.co.uk . Could be worth the cost if it means you make contact with the owner of that tree, and can see what other Carmody family she has found perhaps If you buy any units or a take up any free trial to the Ancestry site you "must" remember to cancel the subscription or free Trial a couple of days before the period comes to an end, as per the instructions given when you sign up. If you fail to Cancel then your credit card will be charged for a years subscription to the site. There is a simple Cancelation system to use, the onus is on you to Cancel and not on Ancestry to unsubscribe you. So make sure you read the Terms and Conditions, see link to T&Cs at the bottom of the home page, before you sign up and understand what you are signing up to, if you do choose to subscribe. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. << census of the whole Patrick Carmody family, and someone is >> going to try and check on Genes Reunited for me to see IF anyone on >> there has any relationship to the family. >> It's my last hope of ever finding out a possibility of info on my >> direct Carmody family. Unfortunately, I cannot get thru the genes site >> to post a message direct nor find the ones you mention. >> Thank again.>>

Hello Everybody, If there is anyone with the 1861 & 1871 census for BETHNAL GREEN would you kindly keep a look out for CHARLES PLUNKETT, he was b. 1851 at BETHNAL GREEN so he may have missed the 1851 census and all I know about his parents is they were JOHN & MARY. also if there is any other person researching this family would they kindly get in touch. Thank you. Regards, Syd

First, thank you for this information. I will have to "try" and see if i can get access in some way. I do not belong to Ancestry , altho I did back in the 1990's...I signed up then for a brief period of time, and when time was close to ending I told them I no longer wanted to belong as I got NO info at all as to any members of my family. I had a continuous battle with them for almost 6 mnths to UNsubscribe, and get a refund for charges when I had told them I was quitting and they extended anyway. I had also bought the CD of Family History at the time which they claimed if not satisfied to return for credit/ money back. Since I had no luck and found no one related I returned the stuff and asked for my credit back! To this day nothing returned. I do not trust Ancestry, and I do NOT do any more financial transactions or give my credit card #s to anyone, or checking acc't.!!! I would send a cashier check if there was a actual business address to a company thru snail mail, but most ancestral sites only want the info by electronic transfer, thru credit co. or bank. Once burned -twice shy!!! especially with so much fraud going on today and stolen ID. I would prefer dealing with someone who does belong, who would copy and send the info and pay them for the time and expense of snail mail. My Patrick Carmody was born approx. 1840-50 in Kilbrin, Co. Cork. was in Middlesex from about 1870's to his death. Married to a Nora Healy, had 11 children by 1911, they lived in Uxbridge, Brentford, north Hyde, Heston areas between 1890's and when they died. I have no info as to Marley bone. There are quite a few Patrick Carmody's on file, including a great uncle b. 1858-d.1937 as a single man. Since he never married and all other lines of direct family exhausted I thought I would try the nephew/cousin, but I see no connection to the one you mention. Thank you again for trying. On Oct 1, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Jenny De Angelis wrote: > Hi Jan, > > There is someone who has a SPILLARD family tree on the Ancestry site > that > includes a Patrick CARMODY born about 1841 living at St. Marylebone. > The > 1851 census entry quoted by the tree owner shows parents James Carmody > and > Catherine. Siblings are shown as Mary, James, William & Catherine the > baby > of the family. There is also a Catherine Maloney in the household > aged 20 > who is a married daughter of James and Catherine Carmody. James & > Catherine > were both born Ireland but all children shown born Marylebone. > The reference for that 1851 census entry is HO107 piece 1486 folio 79 > page > 34 > > You would have to be a subscriber to Ancestry.co.uk to be able to > contact > the tree owner but you can buy pay per view units for the site. Just > 6.95GBP > allows you 14 days use and you can view 12 pages during those days, 1 > unit = > 1 view over the whole of ancestry.co.uk . Could be worth the cost > if it > means you make contact with the owner of that tree, and can see what > other > Carmody family she has found perhaps > > If you buy any units or a take up any free trial to the Ancestry site > you > "must" remember to cancel the subscription or free Trial a couple of > days > before the period comes to an end, as per the instructions given when > you > sign up. If you fail to Cancel then your credit card will be charged > for a > years subscription to the site. There is a simple Cancelation system > to use, > the onus is on you to Cancel and not on Ancestry to unsubscribe you. > So > make sure you read the Terms and Conditions, see link to T&Cs at the > bottom > of the home page, before you sign up and understand what you are > signing up > to, if you do choose to subscribe. > > Regards > Jenny DeAngelis > Spain. > > << census of the whole Patrick Carmody family, and someone is >>> going to try and check on Genes Reunited for me to see IF anyone on >>> there has any relationship to the family. >>> It's my last hope of ever finding out a possibility of info on my >>> direct Carmody family. Unfortunately, I cannot get thru the genes >>> site >>> to post a message direct nor find the ones you mention. >>> Thank again.>> > > > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jill, Maybe this will help: Phone: 0208 534 1486 Email :info@mpark.co.uk Address: Manor Park Cemetery Sebert Road Forest Gate London E7 0NP They were very helpful when I visited a couple of years back. Ingrid Billings To: MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDX] Little Ilford Essex Middlesex I am not sure if I am on the correct list? I am looking for the burial index for The Manor Park cemetery in Little Ilford Essex? Can anyone help me? please this is what I have [Christian name no known] MORLEY Died: 27 September 1879 aged 1 years and 9 months Interred in the Manor Park Cemetery Little Ilford, Essex plot No. 352 or 131 in a square I looked at the birth on Ancestry.com and I think it could be William Dawson MORLEY assuming it is a he His grandmother was Mary DAWSON who married William MORLEY so the names match up? Advice or help here will be very gratefully received Thankyou in anticipation Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY OPC for the village Winterborne Kingston in Dorset - www.opcdorset.org

I am not sure if I am on the correct list? I am looking for the burial index for The Manor Park cemetery in Little Ilford Essex? Can anyone help me? please this is what I have [Christian name no known] MORLEY Died: 27 September 1879 aged 1 years and 9 months Interred in the Manor Park Cemetery Little Ilford, Essex plot No. 352 or 131 in a square I looked at the birth on Ancestry.com and I think it could be William Dawson MORLEY assuming it is a he His grandmother was Mary DAWSON who married William MORLEY so the names match up? Advice or help here will be very gratefully received Thankyou in anticipation Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY OPC for the village Winterborne Kingston in Dorset - www.opcdorset.org

Genes Reunited are very coy at not making it easy to see the cost of joining at their web site, but my renewal was UKP6.50 for the next 12 months. I think the UKP65 you saw must be for other than the basic account. Keith Wellington, NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <charani.b@gmail.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [MDX] Fwd: thank you/correction > Pat Lewis wrote: > >>> It's my last hope of ever finding out a possibility of info on my >>> direct Carmody family. Unfortunately, I cannot get thru the genes site >>> to post a message direct nor find the ones you mention. > > I've found the same thing with Genes Reunited. > > It seems you have to register to find out you have to pay 65GBP in > order to contact members who may not even reply. Very disappointing, > esp as the lead Jan gave me showed there was someone there who was a > cousin twice over, ie a cousin to me on two different lines! > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Births Mar 1854 Roberts George Witheat Lexden 4a 258 Marriages Sep 1916 Duncan Mary M C Roberts Hendon 3a 701 Roberts George W Duncan Hendon 3a 701 Deaths Dec 1919 Roberts George W 69 Hendon 3a 333 1861 RG9; Piece: 1105; Folio: 49; Page: 12; Heath Cottages, Long Road, Dedham James M Roberts 37 Architects Surveyor b Dorset Upway Phebe S M Roberts 37 b Dedham James F Roberts 13 b Surrey St George Southwark Phebe M Roberts 11 " Mary M Roberts 10 " William M Roberts 9 " George W Roberts 7 b Dedham Arthur M Roberts 5 " Emma Fisher 17 General Servant b Wivenhoe 1871 RG10; Piece: 1693; Folio: 66; Page: 15 No 1 Road, Dedham Phebe Roberts 48 mar James F Roberts 22 farmer of 25 acres Phebe Roberts 21 George Roberts 17 scholar Arthur Roberts 14 scholar Sarah Smith 17 servant Marriages Mar 1847 Mason Phoebe Simson Maria Lexden 12 157 ROBERTS James MacKenzie Lexden &c 12 157 A George W Roberts, miner, arrived in the UK from W Africa in 1908 and 1911 so perhaps that's why I can't find him on any later census. Anne South Australia Robert Webb wrote: > Hi > > Searching for any leads on a George Witheat ROBERTS who died in October 1919 leaving a will which says his > address at time of death was 'Highdene, Golders Green' and his widow was Mary Margaret Cameron ROBERTS. > Anyone know where in Golders Green 'Highdene' was/is? I assume that's the name of a house. Or anyone have > anything on either George or Mary? > > Thanks > > Rob > >

I'm amazed it's so costly for you to join Genes Reunited. I've belonged for about 4 years and pay around $18 AU annually. That's about $16.50 US or 7GBP. It is very disappointing when people don't reply but overall I've found it a great adjunct to my research. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <charani.b@gmail.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [MDX] Fwd: thank you/correction > Pat Lewis wrote: > >>> It's my last hope of ever finding out a possibility of info on my >>> direct Carmody family. Unfortunately, I cannot get thru the genes site >>> to post a message direct nor find the ones you mention. > > I've found the same thing with Genes Reunited. > > It seems you have to register to find out you have to pay 65GBP in > order to contact members who may not even reply. Very disappointing, > esp as the lead Jan gave me showed there was someone there who was a > cousin twice over, ie a cousin to me on two different lines! > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ > ************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Middlesex_County_UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've just renewed my GenesReunited basic membership which allows me to contact people but does not give access to censuses or BMDs, for $19 AUD, less than £10. Anne South Australia Charani wrote: > Pat Lewis wrote: > >>> It's my last hope of ever finding out a possibility of info on my >>> direct Carmody family. Unfortunately, I cannot get thru the genes site >>> to post a message direct nor find the ones you mention. > > I've found the same thing with Genes Reunited. > > It seems you have to register to find out you have to pay 65GBP in > order to contact members who may not even reply. Very disappointing, > esp as the lead Jan gave me showed there was someone there who was a > cousin twice over, ie a cousin to me on two different lines! >

Hello fellow list. Can I say a thank to Anne & Jan and also Colin, for answering my email Cheers Anne

Hi Searching for any leads on a George Witheat ROBERTS who died in October 1919 leaving a will which says his address at time of death was 'Highdene, Golders Green' and his widow was Mary Margaret Cameron ROBERTS. Anyone know where in Golders Green 'Highdene' was/is? I assume that's the name of a house. Or anyone have anything on either George or Mary? Thanks Rob

Go to www.1911census.co.uk and check the free index. From there you can purchase images or transcriptions. Anyone else doing this for you will have to pay per image, unlike census data for earlier years. Keith Wellington, NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Lewis" <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> To: "rootsweb.com middlesex_county_uk" <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com>; "Neil Jan Hearn &" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 5:10 PM Subject: [MDX] Fwd: thank you/correction > Obviously I got way ahead of myself and the census - meant to say 1911. > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Pat Lewis <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> >> Date: September 29, 2010 10:55:46 AM EDT >> To: "rootsweb.com middlesex_county_uk" >> <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com>, Neil Jan Hearn & >> <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> >> Subject: [MDX] thank you >> Reply-To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com >> >> Thank you so very much for reply. I have now managed to get a clearer >> copy of 1991 census of the whole Patrick Carmody family, and someone is >> going to try and check on Genes Reunited for me to see IF anyone on >> there has any relationship to the family. >> It's my last hope of ever finding out a possibility of info on my >> direct Carmody family. Unfortunately, I cannot get thru the genes site >> to post a message direct nor find the ones you mention.

Val, These are not land transactions, but simply a lease that is changing hands. The land itself will have belonged to a freeholder, not named here, but probably the dukes of Bedford who owned the Bedford Estate. It would appear that James ROSE died intestate (without a will), since the administration (admon) of his estate is referred to in the second indenture. The index to death duty registers (accessible on Find My Past) indicates that letters of administration in relation to the estate of James ROSE were granted in 1856 to Wm George ROSE of Holborn Hill. As regards Francis Street itself, when the relevant volume of the "Survey of London" was published in 1949 ... http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=65175 "There are only two old houses left on the north side of the former Francis Street, No. 13, a large house of early 19th-century date, of four storeys with an arched doorway flanked by two windows on each side, and a similar house to the east which has two shops and is much damaged." A virtual "walk" down Torrington Place as far as Gower Street, using Google Maps Street View (pull down the orange man), should show you whether anything still remains of the old houses that were in Francis Street. I suspect not. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Valerie Stubaus I have copies of some indentures from the Middlesex Deeds Registry and was hoping someone might be able to explain to me the land transactions. The first is 4/392 dated 23 Feb 1855 James Rose did "grant bargain sell & demise" unto Edward Penton & William Snowdon Yard property on the south side of Francis Street no.19 for a term of 21 years. It mentions a previous indenture I still need to obtain. Second on 4 Oct 1858 indenture 13/127 James Rose's son William George Rose (admon of James Rose late of no. 19 Francis Street) did "grant bargain sell & demise" unto Catherine Rose widow of 19 Francis that same piece of property along with others on Upper Chenies Mews. James Rose died Feb 1856 and I have found no will or probate records. A third indenture 14/422 dated 9 Nov 1858 Catherine Rose did "grant bargain sell & demise" the same no.19 Francis Street to John Woodward for a term of 21 years. She is still living at no. 19 Francis Street. Three other indentures in Dec 1858 Catherine Rose is late of no.19 Francis Street but now of Huntley Street and is selling/transferring the other properties on Upper Chenies Mews. It makes sense to me in the second indenture the property is being transferred to the widow from her son but wasn't the property already sold/transferred from the first indenture? I understand that sometimes land was used to raise capital and if this is the case in the first indenture how is it different from the third where it seems the property finally did change hands? The wording in all of them is almost identical. Also, does anyone know if what was no. 19 Francis Street is still there? I believe Francis Street is now called Torrington Place. Thank you in advance, Val in CT